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Laelth

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37. Another few pieces of evidence.
Mon May 26, 2014, 04:24 PM
May 2014

Last edited Mon May 26, 2014, 05:04 PM - Edit history (1)

1) Here are some of the lyrics from "What Shall We Do Now?"

What shall we use to fill the empty spaces
Where waves of hunger roar?
Shall we set out across the sea of faces
In search of more and more applause?
Shall we buy a new guitar?
Shall we drive a more powerful car?
Shall we work straight through the night?
Shall we get into fights?
Leave the lights on?
Drop bombs?

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/pinkfloyd/whatshallwedonow.html


To me, those sound like things men might be inclined to do, not women. No doubt, there's a lot of personal agony and introspection in the movie, but who are "we" in that song? Is it unreasonable to assume that Waters is talking about men (in the aggregate)?

2) In addition, I note there are two key screams in the movie. The first is vocalized by the primary male character (and it's in response to a painful exercise of female power). The second is uttered by the primary female character (and it's in response to a painful exercise of male power--war, violence, bombs, destruction). It's hard for me to divorce these primal, human utterances from what I see as the overall theme (i.e. relations between the genders).

3) How do you explain the imagery in the clip posted above--specifically, the wall destroying a Christian church that then re-assembles itself into a new church (a vaginal, brick-menstruating church). If that's not talking about power relations between genders, what is? Waters seems to argue that femininity has replaced Christianity as the dominant religion in the dystopic world he describes.

Of course, ymmv. Thanks for engaging me on this topic.

-Laelth

I've never watched The Wall in it's entirety. I will have to do so. octoberlib May 2014 #1
I hope you do. Laelth May 2014 #4
Actually, rrneck May 2014 #6
Umm ... Laelth May 2014 #8
It certainly seems counterintuitive but it's true. rrneck May 2014 #12
Thanks for that link. Laelth May 2014 #50
That's complete bollocks. He doesn't argue anything of the sort. muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #18
I disagree with your interpretation. Laelth May 2014 #19
No, that's just total nonsense muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #21
Thank you for your posts about this. redqueen May 2014 #23
Interestingly Nuclear Unicorn May 2014 #32
Indeed, he says nothing about WW I. Laelth May 2014 #33
You are trying to conflate war and the character's personal problems muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #34
Another few pieces of evidence. Laelth May 2014 #37
They are things the character might do muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #42
Drop bombs? Seriously? Laelth May 2014 #61
to say nothing of the fact DonCoquixote May 2014 #43
If you taught rhetoric than I ask you to step back and look for a larger, overarching theme KittyWampus May 2014 #2
You nailed it when you mentioned the Middle East. Laelth May 2014 #3
The bong is strong with this one. AngryAmish May 2014 #5
LOL Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #17
+1 Agreed n/t PasadenaTrudy May 2014 #7
Thanks. n/t Laelth May 2014 #69
So men were never violent before women's liberation movements? davidn3600 May 2014 #9
Humans are violent. Laelth May 2014 #10
So the invention of bigger and better guns and war machines had nothing to do with it? davidn3600 May 2014 #11
True. Laelth May 2014 #13
wow. that's pretty horrifying. Sheri May 2014 #14
Either will work. Laelth May 2014 #48
we have often talked about the backlash resulting from so much success of women over a small seabeyond May 2014 #15
Indeed, but do you talk about men? Laelth May 2014 #30
all. the fuckin. time. that is my life. seabeyond May 2014 #39
Smile. I hear you. Laelth May 2014 #40
but most importantly. i listen to them. nt seabeyond May 2014 #41
this obssession by the gun 'enthusiasts' heaven05 May 2014 #16
There are over 80,000,000 gun-owners, enthused or otherwise... Eleanors38 May 2014 #24
3quarterbillion guns in this country alone heaven05 May 2014 #31
A lot of guns, but more like 300+ million. There is one course Eleanors38 May 2014 #35
that's okay on the link heaven05 May 2014 #44
The country may be sliding to hell in a handbasket, Eleanors38 May 2014 #51
My pleasure. n/t Laelth May 2014 #46
Good points. fried eggs May 2014 #20
Thanks. Laelth May 2014 #29
Since women constitute the fastest growing gun-owning demographic Eleanors38 May 2014 #22
No clue, but I welcome the discussion. Laelth May 2014 #28
Gender was this shooter's motive treestar May 2014 #25
no, nothing to do with guns Skittles May 2014 #26
As the clip I posted demonstrates ... Laelth May 2014 #27
problem seems to be men unable to handle change Skittles May 2014 #36
We have all suffered from the backlash, I think. Laelth May 2014 #38
We fight to amend the Second Amendment. The existence of guns prevents the very conversations ancianita May 2014 #45
I would like Mr. Moore to answer his own question. Laelth May 2014 #47
+1000 LAGC May 2014 #53
It really is a gun problem Crunchy Frog May 2014 #62
The Second Amendment is not your problem hack89 May 2014 #58
Added just to keep my thoughts on the same page. Laelth May 2014 #60
On misogyny and misandry. Laelth May 2014 #49
love and desire. seabeyond May 2014 #52
I've been saying "testosterone is an evil master" for a long time. Laelth May 2014 #55
that has nothing to do with love and desire. that has nothing to do with being fearful seabeyond May 2014 #56
Hold on a second. Laelth May 2014 #57
Post removed Post removed May 2014 #54
My response to XemaSab (above). Laelth May 2014 #59
The purpose of this thread (cross-posted). Laelth May 2014 #63
I read something by someone who never once talked about giving of themselves…. Tikki May 2014 #64
I admire and appreciate the spirit of this post. Laelth May 2014 #65
I thank you for your posts in this thread dreamnightwind May 2014 #66
You are very kind. Thanks. n/t Laelth May 2014 #67
It is not our responsibility to fix all the "broken" people of the world. Laelth May 2014 #68
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