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In reply to the discussion: This... May 26, 2014 [View all]
 

JackRiddler

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27. You answer your own question.
Tue May 27, 2014, 12:21 AM
May 2014
, the Eisenhower administration was not interested in the 1956 elections


Why was that? Because the side they preferred would have lost. So they destroyed the peace and put the country and region through another 20 years of even more horrific war, using the geostrategic garnish you serve up yourself as their excuse. The issue, then as now, was to enrich the military-industrial complex that diagnosed non-existent threats and created the problems it pretended to combat. A self-licking ice cream cone.

It was not the business of the United States government to interfere in the outcome of Vietnam's struggle for independence. Absolute zero legitimacy on behalf of either side. But the choice was made on behalf of continuing the historic crimes of European imperialism, and to do so on a genocidal scale, killing millions.

That is also what I should have answered to your last set of questions: regardless of the answers (could Ho be trusted, blah blah blah), it was not U.S. business to interfere! And for the people actually there, nothing could possibly be improved through a U.S. military intervention. Everything was made much worse.

That's reality, not one of your what-ifs -- which I reject, obviously: I'll pick my own what-ifs if I want them. Like, what if, instead of supporting French atrocity, the U.S. had taken up Ho Chi Minh's desire to be a nationalist ally to the America, rather than a communist enemy?
This... May 26, 2014 [View all] sheshe2 May 2014 OP
That's awesome treestar May 2014 #1
X2 if they include the toe tag. MADem May 2014 #28
Incredible. I want to run my hand through them and connect with them all, say sorry, you are missed uppityperson May 2014 #2
Heartbreaking. sheshe2 May 2014 #8
When the first 500 were killed in the Iraq/Afghanistan debacle, I started a jar with pennies, 1 for uppityperson May 2014 #10
It's a really tactile, sensual image. calimary May 2014 #26
Words fail. Scuba May 2014 #3
k&r for the truth, however depressing it may be. n/t Laelth May 2014 #4
A lot of death shown there. A provocative installation. ancianita May 2014 #5
I want to see a museum with the wait list times of all the vets who need treatment valerief May 2014 #6
+1000000000 nt TBF May 2014 #7
Thank you sheshe. That's my generation..my peers. What a waste of shraby May 2014 #9
I remember sitting watching TV... sheshe2 May 2014 #14
We're still losing them to Agent Orange. Many many have died way too young shraby May 2014 #34
Why? $$$$$$$ - war profiteering by MIC Divernan May 2014 #18
neat bigtree May 2014 #11
Beautiful memorial is it not bigtree?! sheshe2 May 2014 #16
amazing memorial bigtree May 2014 #19
Never forget! War is not the answer. JDPriestly May 2014 #12
Contractors made a lot of money, and so did heroin dealers. alfredo May 2014 #13
very moving napkinz May 2014 #15
Now imagine a space 40 to 60 times larger... JackRiddler May 2014 #17
Yes Jack we can add those too. sheshe2 May 2014 #20
Of course, Vietnamese, Cambodians, and Laotians were also killing each other Art_from_Ark May 2014 #21
Do you understand the difference? JackRiddler May 2014 #22
Sure I understand the difference Art_from_Ark May 2014 #23
Eisenhower even wrote it down: JackRiddler May 2014 #24
And yet, the Eisenhower administration was not interested in the 1956 elections Art_from_Ark May 2014 #25
You answer your own question. JackRiddler May 2014 #27
Assuming that the US had supported Ho Chi Minh from the beginning, Art_from_Ark May 2014 #29
If, if, if... you must be kidding? JackRiddler May 2014 #31
I think you should refresh your memory about Ho Chi Minh Art_from_Ark May 2014 #30
Invade that country!!! JackRiddler May 2014 #32
The Vietnamese declaration of Independence JackRiddler May 2014 #33
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