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Wed May 28, 2014, 08:28 AM

Thor_MN (11,843 posts)

142. Projection.

Please stop the insults, they are saying more about you than me.

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218 replies	Author	Time	Post
#NOTALLMEN: How Not to Derail Discussions of Women's Issues [View all]	sheshe2	May 2014	OP
There are most definitely men that have a major problem in relating to women as an equal human being	Uncle Joe	May 2014	#1
Since I can't say what I really need to say here, I'll just say this.	William769	May 2014	#2
I thank you William!	sheshe2	May 2014	#3
I find this depressing . . .	MrModerate	May 2014	#4
"Is this a desirable result? People turning off the concern? I'd think not."	sheshe2	May 2014	#7
And I'm happy to see that acknowledgment . . .	MrModerate	May 2014	#10
Good point, sheshe2.	calimary	May 2014	#56
Good to see you hear calimary.	sheshe2	May 2014	#63
Calimary!!!	ProfessorGAC	May 2014	#165
Oh I'm still loud-mouthing it around, I'm afraid...	calimary	May 2014	#172
Well G'luck To You and Yours	ProfessorGAC	May 2014	#191
well, do you actually read and try to learn something from those	geek tragedy	May 2014	#15
I feel that the author is saying listen now. Listen to the women	roguevalley	May 2014	#31
Point taken. n/t	MrModerate	May 2014	#33
and ask your friends here and in RL to listen too. To pay a bit of attention and	bettyellen	May 2014	#81
Actually we are being KILLED!	sheshe2	May 2014	#70
I wish that graphic that shows the number of dead was in an OP	Jamastiene	May 2014	#75
Ha!	sheshe2	May 2014	#80
Thank you.	Jamastiene	May 2014	#88
...	sheshe2	May 2014	#90
In find this depressing too!	sheshe2	May 2014	#86
In answer to your question . . .	MrModerate	May 2014	#105
I know it has been said ...	1StrongBlackMan	May 2014	#176
"Those most immediate to the discussion . . ."	MrModerate	May 2014	#195
Well from one man to another ...	1StrongBlackMan	May 2014	#207
I think you're probably right.	MrModerate	May 2014	#215
That is probably for the best ...	1StrongBlackMan	May 2014	#216
Wise words. Still makes me sad.	MrModerate	May 2014	#217
Why do women need to say all men if they know it isn't true?	Thor_MN	May 2014	#5
Where are women saying that it is all men? nt	sheshe2	May 2014	#8
"Not all men" didn't just appear out of nowhere.	Thor_MN	May 2014	#12
"not all men" arose from men who want to derail the subject and are more interested in portraying	geek tragedy	May 2014	#16
You really didn't answer my question.	Thor_MN	May 2014	#20
why are you unable to ask a questions that aren't loaded and accusatory?	geek tragedy	May 2014	#23
I question hypocrisy where ever I see it.	Thor_MN	May 2014	#24
No, you are accusing and derailing.	geek tragedy	May 2014	#27
Please cite my whining. I asked a legitimate question and you are avoiding it like the plague.	Thor_MN	May 2014	#40
Your accusation of people here supporting stereotyping is blatantly bad faith and designed	geek tragedy	May 2014	#45
Again, you can't answer a simple question.	Thor_MN	May 2014	#55
again, you're fabricating claims that people are going around saying "all men are rapists/murderers/	geek tragedy	May 2014	#60
Sorry, I've been through this plenty tonight and you are wrong.	Thor_MN	May 2014	#69
I disagree that it is acceptable or accurate.	geek tragedy	May 2014	#74
I find hypocrisy distasteful.	Thor_MN	May 2014	#85
You are choosing a very peculiar semantic quibble	geek tragedy	May 2014	#89
Where do you see outrage? I'm asking a question which people appear fearful to answer.	Thor_MN	May 2014	#93
Not all men derails the conversation - deliberately	intaglio	May 2014	#112
Did you read the OP? It is not about San Diego.	Thor_MN	May 2014	#120
#YesAllWomen is not about San Diego, it is about what women experience every day	intaglio	May 2014	#128
Message auto-removed	Name removed	May 2014	#208
Whining weasel words	intaglio	May 2014	#212
There are none so blind as those who knee jerk attack.	Thor_MN	May 2014	#218
You have been through nothing	intaglio	May 2014	#111
Been through nothing... I don't know what is supposed to mean.	Thor_MN	May 2014	#121
Yes and #NotAllMen is a whiny "not my fault" excuse	intaglio	May 2014	#129
Again, I have never used a hashtag in this post	Thor_MN	May 2014	#139
Hard luck I did	intaglio	May 2014	#140
Projection.	Thor_MN	May 2014	#142
No I am telling you that you personally, along with others like you	intaglio	May 2014	#150
No, you are projecting your desire to argue with someone who is doing that	Thor_MN	May 2014	#152
Ah, so it's all meta and has no bearing upon actual misogyny	intaglio	May 2014	#173
In a word, Bullshit. You obviously have not read the OP, or are incapable of comprehension.	Thor_MN	May 2014	#180
You are complicit in misogyny as every post you have made on the subject shows	intaglio	May 2014	#143
Inserting your own hates and prejudices is telling.	Thor_MN	May 2014	#146
this is beyond ridiculous. derailing to the point of saying, anywhere in the universe any time,	seabeyond	May 2014	#149
That is the assertion you are making.	Thor_MN	May 2014	#156
And you accuse me of projection?	intaglio	May 2014	#154
intaglio. i am saying ...	seabeyond	May 2014	#159
Maybe because saying "men" with no qualifiers makes it harder for the rest of us to just assume	nomorenomore08	May 2014	#68
True, and they ALWAYS think they are being so fucking original too,	Raksha	May 2014	#194
you really need to read before you argue. no. not all men, was not a counter to ANYONE saying ALL	seabeyond	May 2014	#32
not over nothing, this is like Republicans who complain about 'the race card' being played	geek tragedy	May 2014	#39
anyway geek. the article was awesome. as i was reading, i was thinking about men like you.	seabeyond	May 2014	#46
it took the willingness to listen. some men just don't feel that they	geek tragedy	May 2014	#48
did something click. did something make you say... oh fuck. i really was not seeing.	seabeyond	May 2014	#53
marriage has improved my listening skills and 'get it' capabilities	geek tragedy	May 2014	#58
i understand that. thank you for taking the time to explain it to me. i do appreciate it. nt	seabeyond	May 2014	#64
That is the first time I've seen a man own this and	Skidmore	May 2014	#109
...exactly..it moves the conversation, if there is one,	prairierose	May 2014	#168
Yes, and it did what was intended. It wore me out as it was offtopic and never ended.	freshwest	May 2014	#201
Absolutes will destroy your arguments every time.	Thor_MN	May 2014	#44
"many imply 'all men'"	geek tragedy	May 2014	#47
Not not trying to divide anyone.	Thor_MN	May 2014	#59
If there were to be a post that said "all men" then it would invite strict scrutiny and should	geek tragedy	May 2014	#65
all men watch porn and if your man says he doesnt he is lying. yup. nt	seabeyond	May 2014	#67
If there were to be a post that says "Allman," would that be appropriate?	nomorenomore08	May 2014	#73
you are making it up. you said that 'notallmen" was started to counter "allmen". there was no	seabeyond	May 2014	#51
Same question to you.	Thor_MN	May 2014	#61
no. i addressed your post. what you said. that "notallmen" was countering an "allmen".	seabeyond	May 2014	#71
Sorry lost track in all the people kicking me around.	Thor_MN	May 2014	#78
i would bet i have read a zillion more on all this than you. i have seen no all men rape ... ever	seabeyond	May 2014	#82
So you are unable to even contemplate a hypothetical question.	Thor_MN	May 2014	#92
unable? of course i am ... able.	seabeyond	May 2014	#95
Able, but unwilling.	Thor_MN	May 2014	#97
no. as in, that was not the issue and had nothing to do with what i was addressing with your post.	seabeyond	May 2014	#100
I read the article and specifically chose this post to ask my question.	Thor_MN	May 2014	#103
i addressed your false statement. you are demanding that i answer your questions? no. that is not	seabeyond	May 2014	#104
Games.	Thor_MN	May 2014	#106
I think you demonstrated the OP very nicely	noiretextatique	May 2014	#107
Wow, feel free to insert your prejudices...	Thor_MN	May 2014	#122
poor you	noiretextatique	May 2014	#169
Please cite where I have claimed victimhood.	Thor_MN	May 2014	#181
no...it is about your fragile ego	noiretextatique	May 2014	#211
Message auto-removed	Name removed	May 2014	#213
No, you tried to deflect the conversation in your first post	intaglio	May 2014	#114
Again what conversation?	Thor_MN	May 2014	#123
The conversation you, repeatedly, try to derail	intaglio	May 2014	#131
Can you please cite where I have ever used a hashtag?	Thor_MN	May 2014	#135
Another derail.	intaglio	May 2014	#137
Your misreading of my words is not a argument	Thor_MN	May 2014	#144
Oh, it's all about you it it and not the whining?	intaglio	May 2014	#148
Message auto-removed	Name removed	May 2014	#209
Geez dude, you sound like a broken record!!	alittlelark	May 2014	#200
Geez honey, the responses are even more like a broken record.	Thor_MN	May 2014	#204
Citations of threads making your claimed implications or you are talking out of your cloaca	intaglio	May 2014	#113
Where did you pull that out of?	Thor_MN	May 2014	#125
You are now attempting to claim that you meant the entire internet	intaglio	May 2014	#134
They are present on DU threads, but I never limited my scope.	Thor_MN	May 2014	#136
If they are present cite them	intaglio	May 2014	#138
I have, but you are only reading what you want to read.	Thor_MN	May 2014	#141
You have provided evidence you are complicit in misogyny	intaglio	May 2014	#145
Please cite evidence, rather than what you are making up in your mind.	Thor_MN	May 2014	#151
The evidence is in your posts	intaglio	May 2014	#155
Specific examples please, and don't go on with your wild accusation that I support misogyny	Thor_MN	May 2014	#157
Read your own posts	intaglio	May 2014	#175
Good god, it is bigotry to even QUESTION if stereotyping is ever acceptable?	Thor_MN	May 2014	#177
Message auto-removed	Name removed	May 2014	#210
Well...	sheshe2	May 2014	#41
+1. n/t	scruboak	May 2014	#161
Thank you, scruboak.	sheshe2	May 2014	#183
NOT a response to this tragedy and not in response to articles saying all men	intaglio	May 2014	#110
You say it "didn't just appear out of nowhere"	scruboak	May 2014	#164
Incorrect. I have given several examples, but the knee jerk reactions in this post are blind to them	Thor_MN	May 2014	#182
You are the only one in this thread saying "all men"	passiveporcupine	May 2014	#9
I was hoping to have a discussion, but I see that you are antagonistic.	Thor_MN	May 2014	#11
What you offered was textbook derailing and trolling, complete with passive aggressive "why you so	geek tragedy	May 2014	#18
you are suggesting so many are saying, all men commit mass murder? intellectually, common damn sense	seabeyond	May 2014	#30
#NotOneIota LOL	bettyellen	May 2014	#84
me too. love it. lol. nt	seabeyond	May 2014	#91
No you did not come here for a discussion.	sheshe2	May 2014	#79
Mission Accomplished, thread destoyed. Sorry, She she. n/t	freshwest	May 2014	#202
Yes....	sheshe2	May 2014	#205
Citations of the threads saying all men	intaglio	May 2014	#115
Thank you, passiveporcupine.	sheshe2	May 2014	#13
it's textbook because you know that they would pull this stunt	geek tragedy	May 2014	#22
Exactly	The Roux Comes First	May 2014	#197
The very title of the thread says #NOTALLMEN	Jamastiene	May 2014	#72
On the contrary,	Thor_MN	May 2014	#101
You are the one making claims without citation	intaglio	May 2014	#116
There never, ever, has been a single post on the entire internet that implies all men are xxxxx	Thor_MN	May 2014	#119
You cited DU specifically	intaglio	May 2014	#126
Really? Please cite where I did that. I have not used the letters D and U consecutively,	Thor_MN	May 2014	#130
OK, implied, now cite the DU threads that support your contention n/t	intaglio	May 2014	#133
You admit that you made that up. Possible that you are making other things up?	Thor_MN	May 2014	#158
Nope, but you are still denying reality	intaglio	May 2014	#174
Who has said "White Knight" other than you and what the hell does that even mean?	Thor_MN	May 2014	#178
Maybe you're not aware	catrose	May 2014	#147
No, what I have found here is the same exact hate and hypocrisy that you speak of.	Thor_MN	May 2014	#185
No, of Course Not	The Roux Comes First	May 2014	#199
Thank you.	Thor_MN	May 2014	#203
k&r	Starry Messenger	May 2014	#6
May I also suggest that it's a good idea to avoid saying things that make people defensive.	Nye Bevan	May 2014	#14
textbook. some feminist said something you didn't like months ago, so that's	geek tragedy	May 2014	#21
I simply don't think that statements such as "all men benefit from rape"	Nye Bevan	May 2014	#29
and you had that discussion MONTHS ago, yet here you are beating that dead horse,for obvious reasons	geek tragedy	May 2014	#35
"All men benefit from rape" was simply the first example that sprang to mind,	Nye Bevan	May 2014	#42
Well cite some more examples	intaglio	May 2014	#117
I don't either think that of all men but too many men don't seem to really hear us when	roguevalley	May 2014	#36
As a husband, and as a father of daughters, that stuff positively terrifies me.	Nye Bevan	May 2014	#43
I know they would. I know you would. But that is the life of women.	roguevalley	May 2014	#49
it was a feminists academic exercise in exploration from different angle and perspective	seabeyond	May 2014	#62
Personally, I tend to think telling the plain truth is more important.	nomorenomore08	May 2014	#76
Here's my simple litmus test:	Shandris	May 2014	#17
Sigh. This is example #3 of trying to derail	geek tragedy	May 2014	#25
Wait. Let me get this straight. I'm...DERAILING...a thread with an OP about why...	Shandris	May 2014	#34
no, you blatantly distorted the OP, but thanks for playing, go ahead and play the victim, it's	geek tragedy	May 2014	#37
I'm playing the victim? Erm...alright. I'm not sure how I'm the victim, given that...	Shandris	May 2014	#50
well, as a man, I can say that those who play the "not all men" game are not serving my interests	geek tragedy	May 2014	#54
I aleady told you that I wasn't going to confront you...	Shandris	May 2014	#77
Had you not doubled down on the false and misleading	geek tragedy	May 2014	#83
"I'm -not- certain all my sisters have my best (or even -any-) of my best interests at heart."	sheshe2	May 2014	#102
did they read the OP?	noiretextatique	May 2014	#108
Some people just don't know their place.	AngryAmish	May 2014	#127
apparently not	noiretextatique	May 2014	#170
Started reading#YesAllWomen b/c I've got a daughter,now I see I should be reading b/c I've got 2 son	seabeyond	May 2014	#19
I thought of you sea,	sheshe2	May 2014	#28
well. seeing how i am all into behavior, sociology, psychology and the like, i am having a blast.	seabeyond	May 2014	#38
You are definitely up to the challenge, sea~ nt	sheshe2	May 2014	#187
+1. n/t	scruboak	May 2014	#162
Post an answer that 100% agrees with the OP, and	Phlem	May 2014	#26
And you are saying what Phlem? nt	sheshe2	May 2014	#52
The new hashtag starting is #YesAllPeople	davidn3600	May 2014	#57
and that hashtag is another attempt to derail the conversation	intaglio	May 2014	#118
try #HeadInThe Sand	bettyellen	May 2014	#171
+1!	sheshe2	May 2014	#186
Thanks for the link.	wickerwoman	May 2014	#66
The OP is excellent and has a lot of important information	defacto7	May 2014	#87
Thank you for this....	bettyellen	May 2014	#94
Thanks bettyellen.	sheshe2	May 2014	#188
I will be so glad when the day arrives that these threads are no longer needed....	steve2470	May 2014	#96
"Men, feminists are our allies ! " ahhhhh.	seabeyond	May 2014	#98
glad I could make you smile	steve2470	May 2014	#99
So basically this thread turned into a textbook example of the behavior.	MadrasT	May 2014	#124
K&R nt	stevenleser	May 2014	#132
"Why is it not helpful to say “not all men are like that”?"	baldguy	May 2014	#153
see here, went over like a lead balloon, sorry to say.	boston bean	May 2014	#160
cartoons made about it. blogs... people all over the net talking about "notallmen". men and	seabeyond	May 2014	#163
k and r, and sighing for the expected backlash.	niyad	May 2014	#166
C'est la vie, niyad.	sheshe2	May 2014	#192
Teach your sons	smallcat88	May 2014	#167
K & R	SunSeeker	May 2014	#179
red pillers must be short... they keep saying #no tall men	paulkienitz	May 2014	#184
Yes, yes, yes	me b zola	May 2014	#189
Thanks, sheshe2. The whole column, especially the tweets, is/are great.	spooky3	May 2014	#190
K & R	Raksha	May 2014	#193
And yet wouldn't a lot of "This man is not like that"	DirkGently	May 2014	#196
Read the article. nt	sheshe2	May 2014	#198
The answers are in the article, which is awesome....	bettyellen	May 2014	#214
Kicking...	sheshe2	May 2014	#206

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