Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
31. The Iroquois, from whom we got the Senate and House representation system was mostly matriarchal
Wed May 28, 2014, 04:03 PM
May 2014
The Iroquois are a Mother Clan system, which is gender equal. No person is entitled to 'own' land, but it is believed that the Creator appointed women as stewards of the land. Traditionally, the Clan Mothers appoint leaders, as they have raised children and are therefore held to a higher regard. By the same token, if a leader does not prove sound, becomes corrupt or does not listen to the people, the Clan Mothers have the power to strip him of his leadership.

When Americans and Canadians of European descent began to study Iroquois customs in the 18th and 19th centuries, they learned that the people had a matrilineal system: women held property and hereditary leadership passed through their lines. They held dwellings, horses and farmed land, and a woman's property before marriage stayed in her possession without being mixed with that of her husband. They had separate roles but real power in the nations. The work of a woman's hands was hers to do with as she saw fit. At marriage, a young couple lived in the longhouse of the wife's family. A woman choosing to divorce a shiftless or otherwise unsatisfactory husband was able to ask him to leave the dwelling and take his possessions with him.

The children of the marriage belong to their mother's clan and gain their social status through hers. Her brothers are important teachers and mentors to the children, especially introducing boys to men's roles and societies. The clans are matrilineal, that is, clan ties are traced through the mother's line. If a couple separated, the woman traditionally kept the children. The chief of a clan can be removed at any time by a council of the women elders of that clan. The chief's sister was responsible for nominating his successor.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iroquois#Women_in_society

So we just changed women to men and used their 2 house system of representative government.
Different. Brickbat May 2014 #1
I see where you are coming from - but many of our values are gendered, which makes this discussion el_bryanto May 2014 #4
Right, but if women were "in charge," would gentleness still be seen as a feminine value? Brickbat May 2014 #8
That's an interesting question right there el_bryanto May 2014 #12
I was raised to be a 'Gentleman' RobertEarl May 2014 #36
That sorta depends. Are the 75% mostly Michelle Bachmann or Elizabeth Warren? -nt Liberal Veteran May 2014 #2
That is a tough what-if to shape up because in human history Skidmore May 2014 #3
What would society look like if raccoons were in charge? zappaman May 2014 #5
Bwahaha! Or if porcupines were in charge... valerief May 2014 #10
or dolphins!!! zappaman May 2014 #14
Or opossum aliens. valerief May 2014 #17
They are - It's called Wall Street. chrisa May 2014 #22
I like the analogy but... zappaman May 2014 #23
Some years back I read something SheilaT May 2014 #6
Very interesting RobertEarl May 2014 #18
Scandinavia has also had a history of women staying at home for months while most men were gone. haele May 2014 #39
Thanks. SheilaT May 2014 #65
We wouldn't have an NFL, luv. nt valerief May 2014 #7
What if men wanted to play football in a professional league? The2ndWheel May 2014 #16
Look at the question to which I was responding. nt valerief May 2014 #21
You ever play football? RobertEarl May 2014 #29
Go away, if you won't look at the question to which I was responding. nt valerief May 2014 #33
There's no historical precedent from which I can draw any valid reference LanternWaste May 2014 #9
The Iroquois, from whom we got the Senate and House representation system was mostly matriarchal KurtNYC May 2014 #31
even during that period, men only made political decisions LanternWaste May 2014 #48
Thomas Berger wrote an interesting novel in 1973 entitled Regiment of Women. randome May 2014 #11
No knee-jerk reactions? MineralMan May 2014 #13
When asked this, I would have to probably go and devolve it a bit... Xyzse May 2014 #15
Hey, not an easy question to answer. RobertEarl May 2014 #19
No precedents, but I am willing to go out on a limb and say Whisp May 2014 #20
I was raied to love the NFL RobertEarl May 2014 #27
I like sports for kids and just having fun with it. Whisp May 2014 #32
I LOVE football!! one_voice May 2014 #41
I used to love baseball. Women from my work joined a league. Whisp May 2014 #52
Good point. Agree about the wars treestar May 2014 #49
What immediately comes to my mind is - the whole idea of empathy would not be sneered at so readily. calimary May 2014 #24
The Disappearance by Philip Wylie. SheilaT May 2014 #25
No more war IronLionZion May 2014 #26
Now I wish you to know about the strangest thing ever found anywhere.... Brother Buzz May 2014 #28
Better health care. Jamastiene May 2014 #30
I liked the 'good stuff above' RobertEarl May 2014 #42
I agree with all this... one_voice May 2014 #44
I thibk most people tend to forget, KitSileya May 2014 #71
I think it would look like Iceland. Seriously. Squinch May 2014 #34
I wish there could be a WNFL for women who want to watch other women play. Jamastiene May 2014 #43
I think the sports that would be huge like football is now, though, Squinch May 2014 #45
Thank you. Jamastiene May 2014 #47
LOL! Secretly, I think everyone knows that T ball sucks. Squinch May 2014 #50
The Jock Strap Industry would go bankrupt snooper2 May 2014 #35
NFL = Nancy's Female League abakan May 2014 #37
Are there any fictional stories like this? Blue_Adept May 2014 #38
Not like this. But a good read, anyway, is Herland by Charlotte Perkins Gilman ancianita May 2014 #54
Not written by a woman Prophet 451 May 2014 #68
Found another Blue_Adept May 2014 #72
"All That Glitters" (1977) KansDem May 2014 #40
Depends on the women in charge. nt AverageJoe90 May 2014 #46
Women have the same voice in the head as men do messiah May 2014 #51
A Matriarchal Society in the age of Globalization Juchitán/Southern Mexico Zorra May 2014 #53
It things were more or less equal between the sexes, that would be great. dawg May 2014 #55
I say we give it a try and see what happens. thucythucy May 2014 #56
Judging by the things I witness around here and in the real world? Shandris May 2014 #57
We've become conditioned RobertEarl May 2014 #61
A bunch of fat, happy women janlyn May 2014 #58
The word "peace" would not exist... cherokeeprogressive May 2014 #59
Rainbows, fluffy clouds, and sunshine quinnox May 2014 #60
No one in my life has ever asked this in a public forum! Hmm...If women were having their way... ancianita May 2014 #62
This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles May 2014 #63
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague May 2014 #64
Impossible to say Prophet 451 May 2014 #66
A whole lot like it does now LadyHawkAZ May 2014 #67
This reminds me of George Carlin: Edim May 2014 #69
well it depends one "which women" auntsue May 2014 #70
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»What would society look l...»Reply #31