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In reply to the discussion: The real reason a very loud few are posting hostility toward Glenn Greenwald at DU: [View all]Zorra
(27,670 posts)unregulated information gathering on non-criminals through multiple surveillance techniques?
No real Ddemocrat would ever support this type of enterprise.
No real Ddemocrat would ever deny and denounce whistleblowers who righteously expose corrupt, harmful, covert practices and actions perpetrated by our government.
The discussion game is finished, as far as I'm concerned. There's nothing left to say in this matter, and related matters; if there was any legitimate argument for unwarranted, unregulated spying, it would have been presented long ago.
Constant personal attacks on messengers exposing corruption is not "discussion" of these issues, it's anti-democratic, pro-MIC RW propaganda. And when long recognized propaganda techniques are used to catapult these anti-democratic, pro-MIC "points of view", it compounds my perception that certain posters are deliberately posting insidious RW bullshit.
I have been involved with Occupy since the beginning. After reading anti-Occupy propaganda by certain posters, post after post, and watching these same posters attack righteous whistleblowers day after day, and after seeing many of these same posters post what, from my long lifetime POV as a liberal Yellowdog Dem, seems to be nothing but the same type of insidious RW bullshit propaganda that I've seen repeatedly since the early days of Vietnam, I have little reason to consider that certain posters are not paid trolls in service of some agency of the MIC, or, at best, are simply naive "Good Americans" who don't really understand enough about history, life, and the world, to be able to perceive that they are supporting and promoting corporate fascism and oligarchy.
Some of us are struggling for freedom and democracy. Others are struggling for fascism and 1% oligarchy. And others are struggling for fascism and oligarchy and don't even have a clue that this is what they are struggling for.
"The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism - ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. "
-Franklin D. Roosevelt, "Message from the President of the United States Transmitting Recommendations Relative to the Strengthening and Enforcement of Anti-trust Laws"
Our strategy should be not only to confront empire, but to lay siege to it. To deprive it of oxygen. To shame it. To mock it. With our art, our music, our literature, our stubbornness, our joy, our brilliance, our sheer relentlessness and our ability to tell our own stories. Stories that are different from the ones were being brainwashed to believe.
The corporate revolution will collapse if we refuse to buy what they are selling their ideas, their version of history, their wars, their weapons, their notion of inevitability.
Remember this: We be many and they be few. They need us more than we need them.
Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I can hear her breathing.
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The attack the messenger game is long over; the messengers won.