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In reply to the discussion: Bodies of 800 babies, long-dead, found in septic tank at former Irish home for unwed mothers [View all]me b zola
(19,053 posts)41. The Church was only one player in the Baby Scoop Era
Here in the states, the "mother of modern adoption", Georgia Tann has plenty of blood on her hands:
Georgia Tann: adoption architect, child advocate, and baby killer
~snip~
Tann and her crew stole newborns from hospitals, kidnapped and abducted children from their homes or on the street, and tricked single and widowed mothers into signing over their parental rights. From the 1920s into the 1950s it is impossible to know how many children went through Tanns Tennessee Childrens Home Society. Many children died as a result of neglect and abuse; in 1945 it is estimated 40-50 children died in less than four months while housed in the illegally operated home. Children were starved, beaten, molested, mentally abused, and received no medical attention. Pedophiles were employed at the home, including Tann. She sold the children without conducting background checks on the adopters. She falsified records and extorted adoptive homes. She used the children as pawns; for example, she adopted out children to politicians, and then threatened to take the child back if the political families did not support legislation in her favor. Children were sold or given away like prizes in Memphis newspapers. (We have) the merchandise in hand and in stock to deliver to you a 1944 letter read to a prospective client. We can never tell when we can fill an order, another letter explained (source). There seemed to be no limit to what the Tennessee Childrens Home Society could do.
~snip~
In public, Georgia Tann spoke out loudly against child abuse, baby selling, corruption, and advocated child welfare reform. In private she sexually, physically, and mentally abused her charges, some of which were buried in the yard due to neglect.
Tann was never punished for her deeds. Some of the practices she utilized are still part of the adoption process today. Many adults, sold as children, continue to seek out their siblings, family members, and birth parents and reveal horrific memories of abuse. It seems the evil done by Georgia Tann will never be undone.
More @ link
http://www.examiner.com/article/georgia-tann-adoption-architect-child-advocate-and-baby-killer
Georgia Tann is the person responsible for sealing adoption records. Prior to her efforts, newborns were not stripped of their identity if raised by someone other than the biologic parents. The sealing of our own identities has absolutely nothing to do with protecting children or their mothers who relinquished them; it was only a marketing ploy to make her product (other people's babies) more desirable to upper middle class families.
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Bodies of 800 babies, long-dead, found in septic tank at former Irish home for unwed mothers [View all]
StevieM
Jun 2014
OP
History can add 800 more to the long list of those who died at the hands of the Catholic Church.
Arugula Latte
Jun 2014
#1
Frightening how a twisted sense of religion teaches the mind to see these children as less than
Jefferson23
Jun 2014
#4
The mothers were seen as less than human too. They were "sinners." And most of them were
StevieM
Jun 2014
#5
Oh absolutely, that is where it began. Horrific story. The children who were sent to America, was
Jefferson23
Jun 2014
#9
Criminal, really. No, I have not seen the film and was not aware of the back story..thank you for
Jefferson23
Jun 2014
#133
There is a long history of willful ignorance that has accompanied forced adoptions.
StevieM
Jun 2014
#176
That's the point. Our goal was a 100% relinquishment rate. It was the expected norm.
StevieM
Jun 2014
#195
Philomena was a real eye opener. I was expecting something lighter but boy, was I wrong!
CTyankee
Jun 2014
#218
My God...that is all so sick. And still common around the world. And many people would love to
StevieM
Jun 2014
#203
No, it shouldn't be. Because this is not just about religion or the Catholic Church.
StevieM
Jun 2014
#13
Because it doesn't mean anything about 'apologizing' and has to do with burying threads where they
AtheistCrusader
Jun 2014
#181
Really?...Since when?..If that's the case, you should have used another word,
whathehell
Jun 2014
#186
"Which was a jab, not an actual accusation. The tactic is deplorable. I know rickford66 is not an
AtheistCrusader
Jun 2014
#190
Oh, she was a real gem. Bessie Bernard too (see my link in the post right below yours)
StevieM
Jun 2014
#60
Thank you for pointing this out. The values of the Baby Scoop Era were endemic in the
StevieM
Jun 2014
#55
The bible belt has that belt tightly wrapped around the necks of their poor children
fasttense
Jun 2014
#61
That's what gets me so angry...most people don't even know (see my post a little above, #60)
StevieM
Jun 2014
#67
Awfull......The Church should be tried for crime against humanity. And sequestration.
mylye2222
Jun 2014
#16
I'd say it should be tried for crimes, plural. Multiple, multiple crimes over centuries.
Arugula Latte
Jun 2014
#144
Ah, the stench of religious judgement. The bony finger of a Fake Cruel Jesus pointing out 'others'.
byronius
Jun 2014
#17
That's just it...they weren't human to some. The women were "whores" and the babies were "bastards"
StevieM
Jun 2014
#24
And the Catholic church is against abortion but not outright mureder of babies once born. Hypocrits.
jwirr
Jun 2014
#89
That's as silly a LIE as saying that Georgia Tan's murders were a policy of the US govt.
whathehell
Jun 2014
#171
Says even MORE about how religion treats children defined as "bastards"....
Spitfire of ATJ
Jun 2014
#23
Because the child must be shamed even though the parents are the ones who broke church laws.
Gormy Cuss
Jun 2014
#73
I guess it goes back to the theory that EVERYONE is damned until they're "saved"....
Spitfire of ATJ
Jun 2014
#91
My sure explanation is that the honor killings these children were subjected to by the Bon Secours
msanthrope
Jun 2014
#107
I think that when 25% of the children entrusted to your care die of preventable and treatable
msanthrope
Jun 2014
#110
The death records were made public, rug. So we know exactly how these 796 children died.
msanthrope
Jun 2014
#112
This story broke when Corless announced she had found the death records and could identify them.
rug
Jun 2014
#114
Why can't it be determined what happened to them by the cause of death listed on the death
msanthrope
Jun 2014
#131
Who is claiming there were "800 stillbirths"?..The poster said there were NONE.
whathehell
Jun 2014
#177
I think me saying, "The church was responsible for horrible atrocities." is what pissed him off
PeaceNikki
Jun 2014
#161
it mentions NOTHING about stillbirths, so where the fuck are you making that up from?
La Lioness Priyanka
Jun 2014
#147
Amazing that there are DU church apologists for even this type of horror, isn't it?
Arugula Latte
Jun 2014
#149
i actually am fine if people say, maybe that number is normal for that time period
La Lioness Priyanka
Jun 2014
#154
LOL and maker-up of info, when current info does not suit existing beliefs. nt
La Lioness Priyanka
Jun 2014
#164
It's good to get facts before running your mouth with your usual religion-baiting.
rug
Jun 2014
#174
i can come off any damn way i please. i dont think i need your permission. nt
La Lioness Priyanka
Jun 2014
#152
i can also do it any where i please. you dont run this website, or my words.
La Lioness Priyanka
Jun 2014
#158
Yes, apparently, severe malnutrition, TB, untreated diseases, horrific skin conditions...
anneboleyn
Jun 2014
#115
Thanks for link- unfortunately no comments. I wanted to read comments from Irish citizens reacting
KittyWampus
Jun 2014
#64
I'm trying to cut through the expected rhetoric around this and learn what happened
rug
Jun 2014
#242
Underscores how the REALLY important part of the anti-abortion folks is control of women
riderinthestorm
Jun 2014
#48
It comports very well, because the Catholic Church is interested in souls, not the physical body.
msanthrope
Jun 2014
#108
It's about control. Organized Christianity has never given two shits about human life, in actual
nomorenomore08
Jun 2014
#126
Most "organizations", Christian, Non-Christan and Sectarian are about "control"
whathehell
Jun 2014
#193
Yes, it was hyperbole. But I find the Catholic Church's present-day "respect for life" stance
nomorenomore08
Jun 2014
#200
Anti-DP and anti-war is always good. But I find the anti-choice aspect hard to forgive - especially
nomorenomore08
Jun 2014
#206
I absolutely agree with the last part. The RCC does at least allow greater freedom of thought and/or
nomorenomore08
Jun 2014
#209
I graduated from the 8th grade in '99, and then high school in '03. Yes, I'm a young 'un.
nomorenomore08
Jun 2014
#221
Progress, on the "micro" level, can so often seem agonizingly slow if not nonexistent.
nomorenomore08
Jun 2014
#226
The "morality contract" the Archdiocese is now making all Catholic school teachers sign.
nomorenomore08
Jun 2014
#235
I definitely agree with that last part. I was raised an evangelical Lutheran and they're nuts, too.
PeaceNikki
Jun 2014
#210
lol, yeah. I was raised WELS (Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod). The craziest.
PeaceNikki
Jun 2014
#217
The RCC doesn't give a shit about "life." They care about controlling women.
Arugula Latte
Jun 2014
#227
A grim reminder of the criminal insanity of RW Republican religious wackos, like Ted Cruz,
Zorra
Jun 2014
#40
+1. Cruz in particular, would have no problem with this. Remember that one of his church's beliefs
freshwest
Jun 2014
#123
A "Handmaid's Tale" scenario could very well become a reality if Cruz managed to get into the WH.
Zorra
Jun 2014
#212
Definitely. Although I'll be working for any Dem vs. the Cabal. Lotsa socialist ideas here still.
freshwest
Jun 2014
#220
I will try to learn more about the practices that took place in Latin America.
StevieM
Jun 2014
#113
"...The events that transpired there ... would even make a Nazi war criminal blush..."
sybylla
Jun 2014
#46
Poverty and Mother Church were the two reasons my grandmother fled Ireland.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jun 2014
#47
The Catholic Church was complicit in the mental and physical abuse of these children and their death
secondwind
Jun 2014
#52
You have to be fucking kidding me with this post..you playing some kind of game here?
Jefferson23
Jun 2014
#137
The Baby Scoop Era was a terrible time. It was a "tell the world what happened here" chapter.
StevieM
Jun 2014
#87
This subject is close to her heart~Joni Mitchell lost a child to adoption during the scoop era
me b zola
Jun 2014
#205
Wow...her daughter was an LDA (Late Discovery Adoptee). I can't believe that as late as 1997
StevieM
Jun 2014
#222
Did you know that Darryl McDaneils, one of the originators of hip-hop, was a late-discovery adoptee
me b zola
Jun 2014
#224
Sadly, many Americans don't realize that the Baby Scoop Era took place, or what it entailed.
StevieM
Jun 2014
#120
"The Bon Secours Health System is the largest private hospital network in Ireland."
baldguy
Jun 2014
#128