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41. The Church was only one player in the Baby Scoop Era
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 03:56 PM
Jun 2014

Here in the states, the "mother of modern adoption", Georgia Tann has plenty of blood on her hands:



Georgia Tann: adoption architect, child advocate, and baby killer

~snip~

Tann and her crew stole newborns from hospitals, kidnapped and abducted children from their homes or on the street, and tricked single and widowed mothers into signing over their parental rights. From the 1920’s into the 1950’s it is impossible to know how many children went through Tann’s Tennessee Children’s Home Society. Many children died as a result of neglect and abuse; in 1945 it is estimated 40-50 children died in less than four months while housed in the illegally operated home. Children were starved, beaten, molested, mentally abused, and received no medical attention. Pedophiles were employed at the home, including Tann. She sold the children without conducting background checks on the adopters. She falsified records and extorted adoptive homes. She used the children as pawns; for example, she adopted out children to politicians, and then threatened to take the child back if the political families did not support legislation in her favor. Children were sold or given away like prizes in Memphis newspapers. “(We have) the merchandise in hand and in stock to deliver to you” a 1944 letter read to a prospective client. “We can never tell when we can fill an order,” another letter explained (source). There seemed to be no limit to what the Tennessee Children’s Home Society could do.

~snip~

In public, Georgia Tann spoke out loudly against child abuse, baby selling, corruption, and advocated child welfare reform. In private she sexually, physically, and mentally abused her charges, some of which were buried in the yard due to neglect.

Tann was never punished for her deeds. Some of the practices she utilized are still part of the adoption process today. Many adults, sold as children, continue to seek out their siblings, family members, and birth parents and reveal horrific memories of abuse. It seems the evil done by Georgia Tann will never be undone.

More @ link
http://www.examiner.com/article/georgia-tann-adoption-architect-child-advocate-and-baby-killer



Georgia Tann is the person responsible for sealing adoption records. Prior to her efforts, newborns were not stripped of their identity if raised by someone other than the biologic parents. The sealing of our own identities has absolutely nothing to do with protecting children or their mothers who relinquished them; it was only a marketing ploy to make her product (other people's babies) more desirable to upper middle class families.

History can add 800 more to the long list of those who died at the hands of the Catholic Church. Arugula Latte Jun 2014 #1
I'm horrified JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #2
Sinead O'Connor was correct PNW_Dem Jun 2014 #65
Yes. Ghost Dog Jun 2014 #127
Judged way too soon. n/t hollysmom Jun 2014 #201
This is horrific... joeybee12 Jun 2014 #3
Frightening how a twisted sense of religion teaches the mind to see these children as less than Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #4
The mothers were seen as less than human too. They were "sinners." And most of them were StevieM Jun 2014 #5
Oh absolutely, that is where it began. Horrific story. The children who were sent to America, was Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #9
I think it varied from family to family StevieM Jun 2014 #121
Criminal, really. No, I have not seen the film and was not aware of the back story..thank you for Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #133
??? whathehell Jun 2014 #160
There is a long history of willful ignorance that has accompanied forced adoptions. StevieM Jun 2014 #176
You forget that many, if not most, in that time, were not "forced", it whathehell Jun 2014 #182
That's the point. Our goal was a 100% relinquishment rate. It was the expected norm. StevieM Jun 2014 #195
Philomena was a real eye opener. I was expecting something lighter but boy, was I wrong! CTyankee Jun 2014 #218
The Church: the original slut shamers RainDog Jun 2014 #6
Religion shames sex Lex Jun 2014 #7
and it ascribes carnality to women. BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2014 #26
My Mom, born during the depression told me hollysmom Jun 2014 #202
My God...that is all so sick. And still common around the world. And many people would love to StevieM Jun 2014 #203
my paternal grandmother died in the 50's. hollysmom Jun 2014 #232
Shouldn't this be in the religious room discussion group? rickford66 Jun 2014 #8
No. This is about the treatment of women and children RainDog Jun 2014 #10
Thank you. theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #32
+1. SammyWinstonJack Jun 2014 #85
Absolutely get the red out Jun 2014 #198
It is intaglio Jun 2014 #12
or not so constructive Go Vols Jun 2014 #219
No, it shouldn't be. Because this is not just about religion or the Catholic Church. StevieM Jun 2014 #13
Yeah, I'd want to hide it too, if I were an apologist. AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #18
He asked a question..I don't see where he "apologized" for anything, whathehell Jun 2014 #163
He didn't. AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #168
Then why did you call him an "apologist"? whathehell Jun 2014 #172
apologists don't apologize whatthehey Jun 2014 #180
I get it, bro..Seriously, I'm not that literal minded and in any case, whathehell Jun 2014 #188
So why did you claim he was not being an apologist? whatthehey Jun 2014 #199
I've already explained myself to whathehell Jun 2014 #208
Because it doesn't mean anything about 'apologizing' and has to do with burying threads where they AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #181
Really?...Since when?..If that's the case, you should have used another word, whathehell Jun 2014 #186
I did. AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #187
Not to me, bro.. whathehell Jun 2014 #189
"Which was a jab, not an actual accusation. The tactic is deplorable. I know rickford66 is not an AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #190
Oh, I see whathehell Jun 2014 #194
Not what you thought. rickford66 Jun 2014 #184
No worries. It was an unfair insinuation. AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #185
No harm done. rickford66 Jun 2014 #191
The Church was only one player in the Baby Scoop Era me b zola Jun 2014 #41
I'd never heard of her before RainDog Jun 2014 #51
You are very welcome me b zola Jun 2014 #57
Oh, she was a real gem. Bessie Bernard too (see my link in the post right below yours) StevieM Jun 2014 #60
Thank you for pointing this out. The values of the Baby Scoop Era were endemic in the StevieM Jun 2014 #55
Never knew this, words just fail. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #135
Thanks to you and others for this information RainDog Jun 2014 #240
The bible belt has that belt tightly wrapped around the necks of their poor children fasttense Jun 2014 #61
I had no idea. No idea. None. KittyWampus Jun 2014 #63
That's what gets me so angry...most people don't even know (see my post a little above, #60) StevieM Jun 2014 #67
The good news is that some states have unsealed their records. Gormy Cuss Jun 2014 #71
Yes, we ARE making progress! me b zola Jun 2014 #74
But the Church was a big player intaglio Jun 2014 #166
Thank you. whathehell Jun 2014 #169
Why? nt Logical Jun 2014 #90
Why, on Earth? Crunchy Frog Jun 2014 #99
why do you think it should? La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2014 #146
It speaks to society and hypocrisy malaise Jun 2014 #11
Thanks for referance rickyhall Jun 2014 #28
Manley was the best Prime Minister in Jamaican history malaise Jun 2014 #33
I have a cousin who has lived most of her life in Jamaica. mountain grammy Jun 2014 #141
Absolutely. jwirr Jun 2014 #88
Good thing we have religion and the church keeping us all moral... -eom gcomeau Jun 2014 #14
I wonder, fifty years from now if me b zola Jun 2014 #15
good point, and a very sad one. BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2014 #27
Caring enough to listen helps me b zola Jun 2014 #29
hug too BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2014 #42
That's exactly right. These women are nothing but whores to them. StevieM Jun 2014 #192
Awfull......The Church should be tried for crime against humanity. And sequestration. mylye2222 Jun 2014 #16
Would be wonderful to see that happen in a public way. toby jo Jun 2014 #21
I agree. This was genocide against the Irish. anneboleyn Jun 2014 #118
I'd say it should be tried for crimes, plural. Multiple, multiple crimes over centuries. Arugula Latte Jun 2014 #144
Ah, the stench of religious judgement. The bony finger of a Fake Cruel Jesus pointing out 'others'. byronius Jun 2014 #17
gawd, that's just... LittleGirl Jun 2014 #19
That's just it...they weren't human to some. The women were "whores" and the babies were "bastards" StevieM Jun 2014 #24
Canada has a sadly similar case, though not a church organized scheme OnlinePoker Jun 2014 #20
The Baby Scoop Era in Canada was absolutely ruthless StevieM Jun 2014 #22
And the Catholic church is against abortion but not outright mureder of babies once born. Hypocrits. jwirr Jun 2014 #89
That's as silly a LIE as saying that Georgia Tan's murders were a policy of the US govt. whathehell Jun 2014 #171
Says even MORE about how religion treats children defined as "bastards".... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2014 #23
Remember, God is a loving deity Arugula Latte Jun 2014 #31
The septic tank was their baptism. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2014 #35
You just perrectly summed up this story. Well done. Demo_Chris Jun 2014 #124
Because the child must be shamed even though the parents are the ones who broke church laws. Gormy Cuss Jun 2014 #73
I guess it goes back to the theory that EVERYONE is damned until they're "saved".... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2014 #91
"Sins of the Fathers" pink-o Jun 2014 #238
Galway Historian Catherine Corless mackerel Jun 2014 #25
Horrific! Most of those babies weren't stillbirths, either. MineralMan Jun 2014 #30
How are you sure of that? rug Jun 2014 #92
Same way you're sure there's a deity, I guess. MineralMan Jun 2014 #95
Ah, you're hoping. rug Jun 2014 #97
I'm hoping for many things. MineralMan Jun 2014 #98
That's nice, but you need to distinguish your "hope" from actual facts. whathehell Jun 2014 #173
A cluster of 800 stillbirths? What the fuck was in the water? nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #105
And your sure explanation is what? rug Jun 2014 #106
My sure explanation is that the honor killings these children were subjected to by the Bon Secours msanthrope Jun 2014 #107
You are sure that 800 children were killed by nuns? rug Jun 2014 #109
I think that when 25% of the children entrusted to your care die of preventable and treatable msanthrope Jun 2014 #110
You said they were killed. rug Jun 2014 #111
The death records were made public, rug. So we know exactly how these 796 children died. msanthrope Jun 2014 #112
This story broke when Corless announced she had found the death records and could identify them. rug Jun 2014 #114
Why can't it be determined what happened to them by the cause of death listed on the death msanthrope Jun 2014 #131
Most of the bodies don't have death certificates as I read it. rug Jun 2014 #132
You do know that whathehell Jun 2014 #167
Who is claiming there were "800 stillbirths"?..The poster said there were NONE. whathehell Jun 2014 #177
Because it says... PeaceNikki Jun 2014 #134
It doesn't say "most". rug Jun 2014 #136
It doesn't mention ANY as stillbirths. PeaceNikki Jun 2014 #139
Actually, not much at all is known about these bodies. rug Jun 2014 #142
"Rhetoric" does not mean "things rug doesn't want to believe" PeaceNikki Jun 2014 #143
And it doesn't mean "Time to trot out PeaceNikki's talking points." rug Jun 2014 #145
hrm. odd. like what 'talking points'? that doesn't even make sense. PeaceNikki Jun 2014 #148
Yeah, whatever. rug Jun 2014 #151
no shit. PeaceNikki Jun 2014 #153
Do you consider this "rhetoric"? theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #155
No, that is specific to this story. rug Jun 2014 #157
I think me saying, "The church was responsible for horrible atrocities." is what pissed him off PeaceNikki Jun 2014 #161
it mentions NOTHING about stillbirths, so where the fuck are you making that up from? La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2014 #147
Amazing that there are DU church apologists for even this type of horror, isn't it? Arugula Latte Jun 2014 #149
i actually am fine if people say, maybe that number is normal for that time period La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2014 #154
This is "St. rug" defender of the oppressed Catholics. PeaceNikki Jun 2014 #162
LOL and maker-up of info, when current info does not suit existing beliefs. nt La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2014 #164
talking points!! PeaceNikki Jun 2014 #165
I see you still didn't find who brought up still births in the first place. rug Jun 2014 #175
It's good to get facts before running your mouth with your usual religion-baiting. rug Jun 2014 #174
dear st rug, PeaceNikki Jun 2014 #178
As soon as you use the correct name, nik. rug Jun 2014 #179
First of all, don't come flying in accusing me of making things "the fuck" up. rug Jun 2014 #150
i can come off any damn way i please. i dont think i need your permission. nt La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2014 #152
You can come off any danm way you want, no matter how asinine. rug Jun 2014 #156
i can also do it any where i please. you dont run this website, or my words. La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2014 #158
Oh, please. rug Jun 2014 #159
Yes, apparently, severe malnutrition, TB, untreated diseases, horrific skin conditions... anneboleyn Jun 2014 #115
A very sad situation. I find it terribly disturbing. MineralMan Jun 2014 #130
Further proof that religion poisons everything... truebrit71 Jun 2014 #34
More accurately, further proos that humanity poisons everything... LanternWaste Jun 2014 #58
How does this comport with the Church's strict "right to life" stance? frazzled Jun 2014 #36
I am interested to see just how much media coverage this story gets. StevieM Jun 2014 #43
Here's an article from the Irish Times (Dublin) theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #44
Thanks for link- unfortunately no comments. I wanted to read comments from Irish citizens reacting KittyWampus Jun 2014 #64
This grave was first found nearly 40 years ago. rug Jun 2014 #96
Well it appears they never thought they were remains from The Home... Eyerish Jun 2014 #230
That's a little clearer. rug Jun 2014 #231
Only that she is a local Historian from the area... Eyerish Jun 2014 #241
I'm trying to cut through the expected rhetoric around this and learn what happened rug Jun 2014 #242
Underscores how the REALLY important part of the anti-abortion folks is control of women riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #48
It comports very well, because the Catholic Church is interested in souls, not the physical body. msanthrope Jun 2014 #108
It's about control. Organized Christianity has never given two shits about human life, in actual nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #126
Most "organizations", Christian, Non-Christan and Sectarian are about "control" whathehell Jun 2014 #193
Yes, it was hyperbole. But I find the Catholic Church's present-day "respect for life" stance nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #200
Thanks for that.. whathehell Jun 2014 #204
Anti-DP and anti-war is always good. But I find the anti-choice aspect hard to forgive - especially nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #206
My understanding is.. whathehell Jun 2014 #207
I absolutely agree with the last part. The RCC does at least allow greater freedom of thought and/or nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #209
Yes, and they accept Evolution & don't preach that idiotic "Creationism" whathehell Jun 2014 #214
I graduated from the 8th grade in '99, and then high school in '03. Yes, I'm a young 'un. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #221
Oh, yes you are! whathehell Jun 2014 #225
Progress, on the "micro" level, can so often seem agonizingly slow if not nonexistent. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #226
Yes, that's true.. whathehell Jun 2014 #234
The "morality contract" the Archdiocese is now making all Catholic school teachers sign. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #235
What might the "morality contract" require? whathehell Jun 2014 #236
Here: nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #239
Not just Cincinnati anymore, but Columbus and Cleveland. theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #237
I definitely agree with that last part. I was raised an evangelical Lutheran and they're nuts, too. PeaceNikki Jun 2014 #210
Thanks for sharing that, PeaceNikki.. whathehell Jun 2014 #216
lol, yeah. I was raised WELS (Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod). The craziest. PeaceNikki Jun 2014 #217
OMG..Michelle Bachman..It's good you got out in time! whathehell Jun 2014 #233
no kidding. PeaceNikki Jun 2014 #243
The RCC doesn't give a shit about "life." They care about controlling women. Arugula Latte Jun 2014 #227
The ultimate pro-life solution. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #37
Correct Freddie Jun 2014 #102
Horrible. AllyCat Jun 2014 #38
Now those are some faith based initiatives for you. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2014 #39
A grim reminder of the criminal insanity of RW Republican religious wackos, like Ted Cruz, Zorra Jun 2014 #40
+1. Cruz in particular, would have no problem with this. Remember that one of his church's beliefs freshwest Jun 2014 #123
A "Handmaid's Tale" scenario could very well become a reality if Cruz managed to get into the WH. Zorra Jun 2014 #212
Definitely. Although I'll be working for any Dem vs. the Cabal. Lotsa socialist ideas here still. freshwest Jun 2014 #220
It won't surprise me if this isn't the only place like that. GoCubsGo Jun 2014 #45
The abuse was ongoing and horrific theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #49
that was pretty Niceguy1 Jun 2014 #93
It was especially bad in the English-speaking world StevieM Jun 2014 #100
even worse Niceguy1 Jun 2014 #104
I will try to learn more about the practices that took place in Latin America. StevieM Jun 2014 #113
This has happened both in Canada and the U.S. polly7 Jun 2014 #117
"...The events that transpired there ... would even make a Nazi war criminal blush..." sybylla Jun 2014 #46
Waterford Whispers News is a Parody Site PaddyIrishman Jun 2014 #138
Poverty and Mother Church were the two reasons my grandmother fled Ireland. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #47
My wife was kidnapped as an infant Tribalceltic Jun 2014 #50
Your post brought tears to my eyes. All my love to your family. StevieM Jun 2014 #66
The Catholic Church was complicit in the mental and physical abuse of these children and their death secondwind Jun 2014 #52
800 children in about 40 years sounds about right. dilby Jun 2014 #53
They killed the ones that weren't "marketable" me b zola Jun 2014 #59
You must have read a different article than me or did not read it. dilby Jun 2014 #68
There are plenty of other sources that you should read. Ikonoklast Jun 2014 #82
You have to be fucking kidding me with this post..you playing some kind of game here? Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #137
They created the conditions in those hell holes. Shame on you (eom) StevieM Jun 2014 #62
It in no way sounds "about right" alphafemale Jun 2014 #69
A child starving to death in Ireland under British Rule was not uncommon. dilby Jun 2014 #75
1925 - 1961 Ireland was independent. n/t Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #78
Yeah. The Potato Famine was deliberate genocide. alphafemale Jun 2014 #79
Not under "British Rule," and twentieth century, not nineteenth. No excuse anneboleyn Jun 2014 #129
The recorded deaths occur during a 29 year period. herding cats Jun 2014 #76
Thank you. I hope that will make dilby think again (nt) muriel_volestrangler Jun 2014 #94
This makes me sick. Just appalling. Pro-life, yeah, right. anneboleyn Jun 2014 #116
Bullshit. Shame on you. eom libnnc Jun 2014 #80
That you would even mount some rationale or excuse for this is appalling theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #81
I am speechless, yet not surprised. Ilsa Jun 2014 #54
No Words cantbeserious Jun 2014 #56
Satan's Name Prophet 451 Jun 2014 #70
I'm thinking of some of those mothers now in their seventies or older. alphafemale Jun 2014 #72
We need to open the sealed birth records so that the babies that did survive StevieM Jun 2014 #77
I imagine it would be the rare parent of an adopted adult child... alphafemale Jun 2014 #86
The Baby Scoop Era was a terrible time. It was a "tell the world what happened here" chapter. StevieM Jun 2014 #87
There are no words. n/t Sissyk Jun 2014 #83
Magdalene Laundries - Joni Mitchell frogmarch Jun 2014 #84
This subject is close to her heart~Joni Mitchell lost a child to adoption during the scoop era me b zola Jun 2014 #205
Oh! I didn't know this. frogmarch Jun 2014 #213
Wow...her daughter was an LDA (Late Discovery Adoptee). I can't believe that as late as 1997 StevieM Jun 2014 #222
Did you know that Darryl McDaneils, one of the originators of hip-hop, was a late-discovery adoptee me b zola Jun 2014 #224
I had no idea. Great video! LDA stories always shock the hell out of me. StevieM Jun 2014 #228
He's a terrific progressive! me b zola Jun 2014 #229
Good old religion, ain't it just great! n/t RKP5637 Jun 2014 #101
Another article, this one from NPR theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #103
Whoa abelenkpe Jun 2014 #119
Sadly, many Americans don't realize that the Baby Scoop Era took place, or what it entailed. StevieM Jun 2014 #120
Two more articles theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #122
Horrible. pacalo Jun 2014 #125
"The Bon Secours Health System is the largest private hospital network in Ireland." baldguy Jun 2014 #128
Not even given Christian burials, poor things LiberalEsto Jun 2014 #140
The Church was a huge player in this scandal intaglio Jun 2014 #170
The Satanic Cult of Emperor Constantine strikes again! Dawson Leery Jun 2014 #183
Worse than a puppy mill get the red out Jun 2014 #196
*speechless* myrna minx Jun 2014 #197
My parents came from the Ireland of that era AngryAmish Jun 2014 #211
not just babies, children had to live and die there. Sunlei Jun 2014 #215
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2014 #223
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