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Tommy_Carcetti

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12. Svoboda is a small part of the majority coalition in the Rada.
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 06:21 PM
Jun 2014

In parliamentary forms of government, various parties often enter into coalitions, not so much for ideological purposes but instead merely in the hope that if a coalition is large enough, it will become the majority coalition. Think of it is as the TV show "Survivor". (Is that show still on the air? I don't know.)

As a part of that majority coalition under parliamentary procedure, it gets to have some participation in the cabinet. Hence the 3 out of 20 cabinet seats.

That much is true.

Problem is, you completely go off the rails after that point.

You seem happy and willing to conflate the fact that Svoboda is a part of the governing coalition and assume they are the driving force behind the Ukrainian government and all its actions. Namely your characterization of the "bloody crackdown on ethnic Russians", which is a huge, huge oversimplification of the events currently happening in eastern Ukraine to say the least.

You freely throw around the word" fascists" without much thought, as to whether or not that term even applies in the given situation--much like conservatives in this country throw around the word "socialist" when referring to President Obama. Svoboda is certainly ultra-nationalistic; whether or not it falls under the category of "fascist" is still debatable by many. And then by your association of Svoboda as "fascist" (possible but not certain), the entire government of Ukraine then becomes fascist (which is without doubt not the case).

I'm not a Ukrainian citizen, so I'm not in the best position to comment on the entirety of policies put forth by the government. Regarding the policies on the Russian language and official state languages, that was never implemented and there are no plans to implement any such law at this time. Why you think that was the spark plug that precipitated all events that followed, I have no clue.

BINGO!!!!! Especially your last two paragraphs...... socialist_n_TN Jun 2014 #1
Thanks. JackRiddler Jun 2014 #2
How can someone be "anti-coup" if they are unable to prove a coup actually happened? nt Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #4
I think it's unfair to focus on such a small minority. joshcryer Jun 2014 #15
I see you're back to calling it a "coup" even after admitting you have no proof one occurred. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #3
Is Svoboda in the Kiev government? JackRiddler Jun 2014 #5
And that supports your position of a "coup government" how? Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #7
I see you're still making excuses for a fascist party. JackRiddler Jun 2014 #6
You clearly have very little understanding how parliamentary procedure works. nt Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #8
Is Svoboda in the Kiev government or not? JackRiddler Jun 2014 #9
Svoboda is a small part of the majority coalition in the Rada. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #12
Importantly, the abstentions let them get voted in. joshcryer Jun 2014 #16
Pedantry. JackRiddler Jun 2014 #17
No. The situation in Crimea was not caused by a stalled bill on the Russian language. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #18
Laughable disinformation. JackRiddler Jun 2014 #19
Your posts are treasure troves for logical fallacies. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #21
Poroshenko has not been inagurated. joshcryer Jun 2014 #10
So you think fascists in the cabinet is nothing. JackRiddler Jun 2014 #11
They were a result of the Communist Party abstaining. joshcryer Jun 2014 #13
Fantastic - it's the Commies at fault! JackRiddler Jun 2014 #20
Excellent post malaise Jun 2014 #14
Another day, another dose of exterminationist rhetoric... JackRiddler Jun 2014 #22
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