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Tommy_Carcetti

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18. No. The situation in Crimea was not caused by a stalled bill on the Russian language.
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 10:12 AM
Jun 2014

The situation in Crimea arose when well-armed men in green fatigues started showing up throughout Crimea several days after Yanukovych fled the country. These men were well-stocked and well-trained with all the equipment of the Russian military and with the only thing missing being the actual Russian insignia on their uniforms. Only after these men appeared was there calls for a hastily organized referendum to absorb Crimea into Russia. After this referendum was held with a rather dubious overwhelming majority (even after one considers the large ethnic Russian population there) and Crimea was annexed into Russia, Putin came out and admitted these were in fact Russian military.

Putin knew that the Ukrainian government was in its weakest and most vulnerable condition following Yanukovych's departure, and now was the time to in his mind reclaim what he thought to be Russian territory that Russia was entitled to, prior treaties be damned. It was Russia's own "unipolar moment", so to speak. Ukraine was in no condition to fight back, and naturally did not. Once Crimea was secured for Russia, he then made winking references to Eastern Ukraine as "Novorussiya" as armed militants took hold of government buildings in that region while people waived the Russian flag and chanted Russia's name. And now you have the "Vostok Batallion" comprised of Russians running rampant throughout Eastern Ukraine.

That's what's been going on in the East.

Now, as to your view of the greater situation of Ukraine and who you claim to be calling the shots, I honestly can't say I can make much sense out of it whatsoever. You do appear to like to repeat the word "fascist" a lot in conjunction with "Ukrainian", just like you liked to repeat the word "coup."

Apparently, the notion of hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians taking to the street to protest ultimately resulting in the president abandoning his duties and his country after a failed crackdown on said protests was not an intriguing enough storyline for people like you. No, because if there is regime change anywhere in this world, dammit the "West" is somehow always behind it, actual sentiments of the indigenous population be damned.

So you ticky-tack together some semblance of a narrative involving the U.S. State Department, Yatsenyuk, small ultra-nationalist minority parties in Ukraine, IMF austerity, the EU, and various other hodge-podge and claim that what happened in February 2014 was a "coup"! Which is all fine and good for the conspiracy minded folk like yourself, except you leave out how this "coup" actually took place, i.e. the actual mechanics of it. When I called you out on it, you sheepishly but in a roundabout fashion admit you have no proof of such a coup.

Being called out on it, however, doesn't mean you stop using the word "coup" even though you've been thoroughly discredited when it comes to such a claim. This is disinformation, sir. It's also disinformation when you continuously attempt to paint Ukraine as some fascist society solely by virtue of a political party that is a small portion of the government, a small minority in the legislature, and a small minority in terms of public sentiment in Ukraine. Your efforts were dealt a serious blow when recent elections proved that last fact. Your OP reeks of desperation. It is nothing but an attempt to explain away yet another failure of your narrative.

Repeating "coup" over and over and over again does not mean one happened. Using the word "fascist" or "neo-Nazi" in almost every single mention of the Ukrainian government does not mean Ukraine is being controlled by fascists or neo-Nazis or is an inherently fascist society.

You've tried. You've failed. And yet you keep coming back for more.



Perhaps you might not think you have a whole lot in common with that Texan fella, but at the very least you share the same rhetorical strategies.
BINGO!!!!! Especially your last two paragraphs...... socialist_n_TN Jun 2014 #1
Thanks. JackRiddler Jun 2014 #2
How can someone be "anti-coup" if they are unable to prove a coup actually happened? nt Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #4
I think it's unfair to focus on such a small minority. joshcryer Jun 2014 #15
I see you're back to calling it a "coup" even after admitting you have no proof one occurred. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #3
Is Svoboda in the Kiev government? JackRiddler Jun 2014 #5
And that supports your position of a "coup government" how? Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #7
I see you're still making excuses for a fascist party. JackRiddler Jun 2014 #6
You clearly have very little understanding how parliamentary procedure works. nt Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #8
Is Svoboda in the Kiev government or not? JackRiddler Jun 2014 #9
Svoboda is a small part of the majority coalition in the Rada. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #12
Importantly, the abstentions let them get voted in. joshcryer Jun 2014 #16
Pedantry. JackRiddler Jun 2014 #17
No. The situation in Crimea was not caused by a stalled bill on the Russian language. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #18
Laughable disinformation. JackRiddler Jun 2014 #19
Your posts are treasure troves for logical fallacies. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #21
Poroshenko has not been inagurated. joshcryer Jun 2014 #10
So you think fascists in the cabinet is nothing. JackRiddler Jun 2014 #11
They were a result of the Communist Party abstaining. joshcryer Jun 2014 #13
Fantastic - it's the Commies at fault! JackRiddler Jun 2014 #20
Excellent post malaise Jun 2014 #14
Another day, another dose of exterminationist rhetoric... JackRiddler Jun 2014 #22
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