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Antler

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66. While there are conflicting accounts and stories...

Mon Jun 9, 2014, 11:07 AM

Jun 2014

... I expect the truth will come out either way. I don't think it's there yet.

Even if you assume that no lives were lost...

It is still unacceptable to wander away from your military duties. The Idea that he has been punished enough is silly.

If a Joe runs off in the states to Mexico and runs into the Zetas, he is still on the hook for desertion / AWOL. The fact that it was in an active war zone makes it worse.

All of this is dependent on the desertion story being true. I would be much happier if it weren't.

If it is though the message has to be 100% clear.

Throwing down your rifle and taking off because you 'don't feel like it anymore' will result in significant and lasting penalties.

There are ways to get out through legal means.

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pardon bowe bergdahl. [View all] mopinko Jun 2014 OP

, blkmusclmachine Jun 2014 #1

I believe he should be given his due process. Jenoch Jun 2014 #2

As he's not currently facing any charges, it's premature struggle4progress Jun 2014 #3

Agreed, TexasTowelie Jun 2014 #5

not if your a Republican.... Historic NY Jun 2014 #13

No he doesn't. Savannahmann Jun 2014 #20

First he has to be charged with a crime before being tried. Starboard Tack Jun 2014 #67

there is nothing to pardon him for JI7 Jun 2014 #4

I agree. HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #6

no, i wanna give him the nixon pardon. mopinko Jun 2014 #7

full pardon for anything that comes up mwrguy Jun 2014 #8

For what??????? nt valerief Jun 2014 #9

The NY Times article about his health and condition tonight mentioned TwilightGardener Jun 2014 #10

from what I read of his background, sounds like he simply couldn't handle the war. progressivebydesign Jun 2014 #76

You're going to piss off the conservatives who post on this board alcibiades_mystery Jun 2014 #11

+10000 Don't forget that "wrote" books for the war college on completely unrelated subjects Katashi_itto Jun 2014 #48

I do not think it is in President Obama's best interests Jenoch Jun 2014 #12

eggsactly. that is why i am betting on him to do it. mopinko Jun 2014 #14

Go back and re-read my post and tell me where the word pardon was used. Jenoch Jun 2014 #15

reread my post. mopinko Jun 2014 #16

Why did you mention pardon? Jenoch Jun 2014 #18

I do not think you have read any of what is emerging still nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #43

Is Bergdahl now more Jenoch Jun 2014 #45

My god, you are hard headed nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #47

Get what? Jenoch Jun 2014 #50

That likely the army will put this to bed nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #54

What war crimes did he witness? Jenoch Jun 2014 #74

Read once again the Rolling Stone Article nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #75

What's the matter with you? Jenoch Jun 2014 #80

You need to expand horizons nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #82

It would also play right into the hands of the Repukes customerserviceguy Jun 2014 #83

Absolutely. Well put. vlakitti Jun 2014 #17

Um, shouldn't we at least wait for him to be charged Live and Learn Jun 2014 #19

The Constitution says that's fine Savannahmann Jun 2014 #23

First, Presidential Pardons are an option Savannahmann Jun 2014 #21

Pardon him for what? GoCubsGo Jun 2014 #22

the worst he is accused of mopinko Jun 2014 #26

Yes, if he is actually guilty. GoCubsGo Jun 2014 #29

no, it insinuates, loudly, that his critics are insane and that he deserves our thanks mopinko Jun 2014 #30

pardon him from what? being convicted by the media? spanone Jun 2014 #24

i want the richard nixon pardon mopinko Jun 2014 #25

we should convict the media. spanone Jun 2014 #32

Even if he is charged . . . markpkessinger Jun 2014 #27

well, i am starting a book. mopinko Jun 2014 #31

He grew up in a conservative/libertarian/home schooled Idaho home...so his actions randys1 Jun 2014 #28

I don't think pardoning him is a good idea. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #33

its called time served. mopinko Jun 2014 #38

Average time served for deserters is fourteen months nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #40

He would have to stand trial and be convicted before being pardoned. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #34

nope. sorry, just not correct. mopinko Jun 2014 #37

and i would hope for that, too. mopinko Jun 2014 #39

If he deserted, he belongs in prison. name not needed Jun 2014 #35

Oh christ, I see this everywhere. He's not going TwilightGardener Jun 2014 #36

You of course realize that the average time for deserters these days is 14 months nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #41

Interesting response Caretha Jun 2014 #51

I personally do not think we will get to that point nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #42

that better be the worst case scenario. mopinko Jun 2014 #44

That worst case scenario is what should happen nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #46

yeah, can we also add time served in the hospital recovering? mopinko Jun 2014 #52

If the threads continue and become very real... nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #55

see. i just think it is time to head the chairborne off at the pass. mopinko Jun 2014 #56

But a pardon implies admission of guilt nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #57

nixon never admitted guilt. mopinko Jun 2014 #59

Yes it does nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #61

how messed up must the right be to threaten his home town? progressivebydesign Jun 2014 #77

A pardon implies he did something wrong. backscatter712 Jun 2014 #49

no it doesnt mopinko Jun 2014 #53

You need to read what pardons nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #58

an implication is not a conviction. mopinko Jun 2014 #62

I expect the Art 32 to go nowhere nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #63

You are right--it doesn't IMPLY--it STATES. And this guy has not been charged with anything. MADem Jun 2014 #79

Sends a terrible message... Antler Jun 2014 #60

the precedent was set in 1776 mopinko Jun 2014 #64

there were no lives lost..what else ya got? Horse with no Name Jun 2014 #65

While there are conflicting accounts and stories... Antler Jun 2014 #66

i dont expect the truth to come out, ever. without it being muddied at every turn. mopinko Jun 2014 #69

Not all of it I suppose. . Antler Jun 2014 #73

Hell no! Can you imagine a pardon with that first name printed on it? Yuck! randome Jun 2014 #68

and the dead guys that went looking for him, nothing hanging over thier heads but a chunk of granite NM_Birder Jun 2014 #70

Yes, while he was gallivanting through the wildflowers, living large in his Afghan pajamas... MADem Jun 2014 #81

You trust US official reports when they support what you want to hear. NM_Birder Jun 2014 #84

Wow, you're a real charmer. That last sentence of yours says more about you than you realize. MADem Jun 2014 #86

yes I agree, I said it so I underwstand exactly what it says about me, and yes. NM_Birder Jun 2014 #87

That's a political disaster Travelman Jun 2014 #71

For what crime? NCTraveler Jun 2014 #72

WTF? Pardon him for WHAT? He hasn't been CHARGED with anything. MADem Jun 2014 #78

a pardon is a misleading word, perhaps. mopinko Jun 2014 #85