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DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
44. No. It's irrational to reduce violence to statistics.
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 04:06 PM
Jun 2014

We don't lump every societal ill into one bucket. Many people die in car crashes, but we need cars, and therefore accept that risk. Or, to counter the latest pro-gun propaganda, we need doctors, and therefore accept that some of them will make lethal mistakes.

To reduce the problem with gun violence or mass murder to the "likelihood" of it happening to one particular person is a specious variety of "pragmatism" accepted by virtually no one, because we make qualitative distinctions in our civilization. The same logic would say that any social ill is irrelevant, compared to natural causes.

Why worry about murder at all, when cars and heart disease are vastly more "likely" to hurt people?

Because we have zero need for heavily armed paranoid people shooting up our neighborhoods, schools, and shopping malls.

Because we have no use for stupid men with rifles meandering around fast food restaurants.

Because we do not accept the risk that people will absorb so much rightwing propaganda that they will actually murder a pair of cops eating pizza "for freedom."

Because we have zero need for mass murder, and it does harm beyond the immediate list of casualties.

There is no tradeoff for these things. They are the selfish and stupid results of the worst of human impulses.

And of course, none of this is just a question of the "number" of deaths. It is the atmosphere of rage and senseless violence, and the poisonous, rationality-killing rhetoric that goes into supporting it.

You don't end up with a horrible culture because you have a lot of cars, and a corresponding number of auto accidents. You get a horrible culture when people do horrible things.

Every risk is not the same. Every death is not the same. Life and culture and society are not a set of numbers.

We know better than this.

The rest of the world should issue a travel advisory for America, due to domestic terrorism. Fred Sanders Jun 2014 #1
Western Europe perhaps hack89 Jun 2014 #5
Not just Europe. Here's a good travel advisory list from Australian govt. ErikJ Jun 2014 #29
Coincidentally, a good friend of mine is becoming a Swiss citizen this month. KansDem Jun 2014 #2
Welcome to the New Third World. GeorgeGist Jun 2014 #3
I'm one of the ones who dreams of leaving lark Jun 2014 #26
We used to pride ourselves on how we attracted the best and brightest. phantom power Jun 2014 #4
Lunacy. Indydem Jun 2014 #6
I don't live in fear, I live with frustration berni_mccoy Jun 2014 #7
A lot of deaths are unnecessary. Indydem Jun 2014 #8
Name one class of deaths that are unnecessary that kills more than 30-40 thousand people per year. berni_mccoy Jun 2014 #13
The vast majority of those deaths are suicides. Indydem Jun 2014 #15
Let me guess, you're a gun nut? berni_mccoy Jun 2014 #16
Not really. I own a few firearms. To call me a gun nut is strong. Indydem Jun 2014 #17
If you value your 'rights'..... daleanime Jun 2014 #35
Who said that? Indydem Jun 2014 #50
2:36 PM too far in the past to remember? daleanime Jun 2014 #52
Let's try this another way: Indydem Jun 2014 #53
Please, I try to limit myself to one 'false equivalence' laugh per day.... daleanime Jun 2014 #56
There seems to be some confusion. Indydem Jun 2014 #57
There is no confusion.... daleanime Jun 2014 #62
Actually it's been found that making suicide harder JoeyT Jun 2014 #31
+1 daleanime Jun 2014 #36
Exactly . . . markpkessinger Jun 2014 #61
The vast majority of those deaths are suicides. The CCC Jun 2014 #43
screw that, what you're doctor phil? elehhhhna Jun 2014 #45
who is "them"? G_j Jun 2014 #9
The media, the power hungry gun fringe, anti-gun elements. Indydem Jun 2014 #20
"...something that isn't going to happen.". Stick around, more school shootings or mall shootings, AlinPA Jun 2014 #38
Your observations are wrong. Indydem Jun 2014 #51
If it is "just" that there is increased coverage of such occurrences, then high time. 3catwoman3 Jun 2014 #54
there were always mass shootings in schools? G_j Jun 2014 #59
Shootings? Yes. Indydem Jun 2014 #60
This group wants you to live in fear. WHEN CRABS ROAR Jun 2014 #34
Exactly. That response was berni_mccoy Jun 2014 #58
Move on down to Indianapolis... Contrary1 Jun 2014 #18
What is the statisitcal probability of being killed. Indydem Jun 2014 #19
Well, for those I mentioned above it was 100% Contrary1 Jun 2014 #22
I don't want to belittle anyone. Indydem Jun 2014 #25
It seems to me that the gun rights people are the people who are living in fear eilen Jun 2014 #33
Indeed nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #21
Or maybe it's called living with the reality that this is a VERY violent society, where 'fear sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #28
Indydem, I thought so, too, until I got held up with a fully loaded 9mm glock, point blank. Now ancianita Jun 2014 #32
It can't happen until it does.. mountain grammy Jun 2014 #37
Yes, and I would be happy to see those people leave .... oldhippie Jun 2014 #42
No. It's irrational to reduce violence to statistics. DirkGently Jun 2014 #44
Fuck the NRA and its members. morningfog Jun 2014 #46
The NSC puts the odds of death by firearm assault at around 1 in 321 LadyHawkAZ Jun 2014 #63
1 in 356. Indydem Jun 2014 #64
Where are they going? Canada, Mexico? dilby Jun 2014 #10
The ones that I know are going to Europe. berni_mccoy Jun 2014 #14
Mostly rich people are leaving this country...but not because of fear of gun...fear of taxes. nt kelliekat44 Jun 2014 #11
They had better be up for a few changes DFW Jun 2014 #40
I can't keep up with these shootings. undeterred Jun 2014 #12
As they should. imo PowerToThePeople Jun 2014 #23
It's one of the reasons why I left FunkyLeprechaun Jun 2014 #24
This morning, in my state of Oregon ... DrBulldog Jun 2014 #27
I live in Curry county and our sheriff belongs to this group WHEN CRABS ROAR Jun 2014 #41
US Scientists Leaving The Country And Taking The Innovation Economy With Them G_j Jun 2014 #30
Why leave it to the idiots? DirkGently Jun 2014 #39
I toy with the idea of living in Canada, France, Germany, even Spain. closeupready Jun 2014 #47
I left Thespian2 Jun 2014 #48
i wish i could leave pothos Jun 2014 #49
Why worry? Shankapotomus Jun 2014 #55
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