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They're protecting us from toddler and mothers and "traditional famly values". Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2014 #1
This is sounding more and more like the totalitarian countries during the WWII era, something RKP5637 Jul 2014 #2
"Nothing is beyond our reach." (http://www.mediashower.com/img//Video_Camera_Stop_Light.jpg) blkmusclmachine Jul 2014 #4
Yep, all over the place now, plus the interstate cameras, satellites, all of RKP5637 Jul 2014 #8
That is one of the themes of the film tblue37 Jul 2014 #109
And the fact that Catherine Austin Fitts first heard of truedelphi Jul 2014 #72
Fitts had done the kind of investigative work few journalists have.. 2banon Jul 2014 #130
I discovered this video of an interview with her - truedelphi Jul 2014 #161
Used to be a "defender" conservaphobe Jul 2014 #3
Exactly! The tools are there and future administrations good, bad, or super evil will RKP5637 Jul 2014 #6
The NSA put out a statement that I found interesting in response. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #5
Now stop thinking about what this means. You're just making it harder... Pholus Jul 2014 #9
...but it is just the meta-data,... bvar22 Jul 2014 #7
They never metadatum Jackpine Radical Jul 2014 #15
DUZY Demeter Jul 2014 #118
LOL! 2banon Jul 2014 #131
Yep. Same conceit: "We'd prefer to take it ALL;" justify it later. DirkGently Jul 2014 #10
The War on Drugs bl968 Jul 2014 #21
The bogeyman is always the excuse to overreach. DirkGently Jul 2014 #27
It's not even "Do this, or bad things will happen." Maedhros Jul 2014 #155
The TV show _The Good Wife_ dealt with this issue this season. nt tblue37 Jul 2014 #110
Its so imperative we talk about this stuff and not get derailed with "Snowden traitor!" riderinthestorm Jul 2014 #11
It's not devastating at all. Chucky-Doll Jul 2014 #12
We can work on Germany's problems after we clean up our mess here at home. Scuba Jul 2014 #14
"Edward Snowden's fan base", "conceited anti-NSA obsessive crowd" ?? SaveOurDemocracy Jul 2014 #16
Don't feed the troll n/t n2doc Jul 2014 #23
Your argument is not convincing. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #35
Your counter-argument Aerows Jul 2014 #39
Always has been from the start. LLD Jul 2014 #45
Yes, we only complain about being spied on because we're in love with Snowden whatchamacallit Jul 2014 #65
New job? Caretha Jul 2014 #91
New DU screen name, lol. morningfog Jul 2014 #103
not enough links Jeff Murdoch Jul 2014 #111
CBS News: Official: CIA recruited German intel officer to spy for U.S. Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #98
Nice explanation. Too bad rationality doesn't work.... nt Pholus Jul 2014 #162
++1000 nt kelliekat44 Jul 2014 #104
Why not post under your usual name? Marr Jul 2014 #114
Distraction fail. blackspade Jul 2014 #139
I encourage everyone to start posting random nonsense to attract NSA attention. Moostache Jul 2014 #13
The problem with this Jackpine Radical Jul 2014 #17
Congressional oversite Babel_17 Jul 2014 #18
Congress investigate their Own Failure? bvar22 Jul 2014 #19
A hoot indeed. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #33
LOL! Aerows Jul 2014 #42
Maybe we might want to think about being a little more easy on some of these folks (maybe) nolabels Jul 2014 #71
I'll excuse Congress Aerows Jul 2014 #82
I will take that back bvar22, and no maybe's either nolabels Jul 2014 #90
I can see that happening, and that would be sad, but ... Babel_17 Jul 2014 #75
They're collecting everyone's pictures for ID ...oh wait ...that's FB ...or is it Google? L0oniX Jul 2014 #20
EVERY revelation so far has methodically and shatteringly destroyed the defenders' talking points MisterP Jul 2014 #22
Upton Sinclair Aerows Jul 2014 #55
I see what you did there. HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #81
^^^This! 1000+!^^^ 2banon Jul 2014 #132
STASI reddread Jul 2014 #24
But Emmanuel Goldstein is still out there. And we must hate him! tclambert Jul 2014 #25
Around here we just call him "Manny." Jackpine Radical Jul 2014 #119
IOW, Snowden now has released personal information on 10,000 people pnwmom Jul 2014 #26
Wikileaks has nothing. If they did, they would publish. And yes, they do redact. Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #28
GEG said long ago that he and Snowden had given copies of everything pnwmom Jul 2014 #46
He has always maintained that he and Poitras are the only 2 who have access to all the docs. Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #48
because a libertarian? reddread Jul 2014 #30
He couldn't release information on innocent people Aerows Jul 2014 #34
It was wrong for the NSA to collect it pnwmom Jul 2014 #47
That's what happens Aerows Jul 2014 #52
I just want to understand! atreides1 Jul 2014 #54
Nailed it. n/t Aerows Jul 2014 #58
You deliberately twisted what I said. Why? pnwmom Jul 2014 #59
They have NEVER made the claim that they have given it to anyone. Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #60
Their "fail safe system" means that other people have access to the archives. pnwmom Jul 2014 #62
Actually it does not. I've been part of safe system and what I had was Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #64
I'm talking about computer engineers with the ability pnwmom Jul 2014 #67
Okey-doke Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #87
You crushed the foolish "objection". BillZBubb Jul 2014 #83
you persist in trying to deflect responsibility to Snowden, and away from the NSA.... mike_c Jul 2014 #78
Snowden argued that he gave it because ... Babel_17 Jul 2014 #80
So Snowdens doing wrong by people is OK because the NSA is doing it too? REALLY?! uponit7771 Jul 2014 #112
One small sentence objecting to the NSA collection. The rest is slamming Snowden riderinthestorm Jul 2014 #40
PATHETIC! BillZBubb Jul 2014 #84
Yesterday: Snowden bad because he doesn't have proof of what he claims. Hissyspit Jul 2014 #113
Exactly. It's pathetic. /nt Marr Jul 2014 #116
We have always been at war with Eastasia. n/t SwankyXomb Jul 2014 #128
Seems that way. nt MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #129
Seriously, just give it up. Trying to continue this smear job looks way too pathetic now. /nt Marr Jul 2014 #115
Well there you go. I knew somebody would come up with the spin that makes this about snowden. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #124
Yeah. He should have SOLD his insider knowledge like the good General. Pholus Jul 2014 #163
Any one of the subjects described in paragraph 2 could be a DU post BuelahWitch Jul 2014 #29
What does the latest release have to do with Snowden and his character? NCTraveler Jul 2014 #31
We would be fools if we did not assume the NSA would abuse their "mandate". Enthusiast Jul 2014 #32
They don't Aerows Jul 2014 #38
I'm shocked *shocked* Aerows Jul 2014 #36
I would like to personally thank each and every one of you that recommended this OP. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #37
my pleasure BelgianMadCow Jul 2014 #51
In one of the other half dozen posts about this... randome Jul 2014 #41
No dog in this show! Aerows Jul 2014 #43
As an afterthought, I almost included this: randome Jul 2014 #44
How long before you have to start repeating breeds? n/t winter is coming Jul 2014 #145
I've got a million of 'em Aerows Jul 2014 #147
Why are they saving the innocent parties responses? riderinthestorm Jul 2014 #49
I can think of two good reasons. randome Jul 2014 #50
Or because the NSA and most of it's head officials are full of plain bullshit Aerows Jul 2014 #53
Its illegal to do this to one American let alone however many more they have riderinthestorm Jul 2014 #63
It is NOT illegal. Snowden knows this. So does Greenwald. randome Jul 2014 #66
Your schtick keeps getting funnier every time you repeat it! riderinthestorm Jul 2014 #69
when did he make the jump Fred Drum Jul 2014 #73
Ha! Welcome to DU! nt riderinthestorm Jul 2014 #76
It's simple enough ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2014 #125
Oh, it's you again.... blackspade Jul 2014 #141
And it's you again! ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2014 #151
And apparently your reading comprehension hasn't improved. blackspade Jul 2014 #168
My reading comprehension is far beyond yours... ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2014 #169
You just can't stop mis-representing the facts can you? blackspade Jul 2014 #170
Ah, the old "pointing out facts you don't like" is "misrepresenting" them ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2014 #171
Screaming, huh? blackspade Jul 2014 #172
Glad to hear you are amused but I have no 'schtick'. randome Jul 2014 #74
Please proceed Governor! nt riderinthestorm Jul 2014 #77
additionally Fred Drum Jul 2014 #89
You're trying to conflate too many things. randome Jul 2014 #92
The NSA doesn't need a warrant to scoop up communicatuons of a foreign person. Vattel Jul 2014 #156
There is a potential loophole there, I agree. randome Jul 2014 #158
Exactly! And if I was in the NSA and wanted to know what someone was saying hughee99 Jul 2014 #134
Thousands of minimized communications out of several billion that circle the globe DAILY. randome Jul 2014 #136
Hold on a second. hughee99 Jul 2014 #137
Okay. I'm sure you're right. Any law enforcement officer on the planet can try to spy on someone. randome Jul 2014 #140
Not any law enforcement officer, but those at the NSA have an easy formula to hughee99 Jul 2014 #142
They are a spy agency. Of course their inner workings are kept secret from the public. randome Jul 2014 #143
I just gave you a scenario which the FISA court will do nothing about. hughee99 Jul 2014 #149
My credibility depends on where the facts lead. Nothing more. randome Jul 2014 #150
As I said, if a story comes out about people in the NSA going into the "for profit" hughee99 Jul 2014 #154
Of course I know it will happen. Of course it's human nature. randome Jul 2014 #157
They're keeping a lot of shit they no they don't need, and depending on who the target is hughee99 Jul 2014 #159
OK. ZombieHorde Jul 2014 #79
Who says anyone is watching the aunt or the son? randome Jul 2014 #93
The OP says even photos of children's baths were kept. ZombieHorde Jul 2014 #94
Yeah, are these the photos of a suspect's family? randome Jul 2014 #95
What I find most funny is the sheer ignorance of how actual law enforcement works. nt msanthrope Jul 2014 #100
I wonder how many police case files have the same type of annotations in them. randome Jul 2014 #101
Every single one. It's like no one here ever watched "The Wire." nt msanthrope Jul 2014 #102
I know! more people should be educated by a fictional tv show! neverforget Jul 2014 #107
That has to be one of the silliest argument I've ever heard Aerows Jul 2014 #146
Actually, David Simon is taught in better law schools around the country in Evidence and Crim Pro. msanthrope Jul 2014 #164
If The Wire were a documentary, you'd have an argument. neverforget Jul 2014 #167
Lester Freamon would just look at you balefully. nt msanthrope Jul 2014 #173
Well it looks like the NSA defenders are fleeing a sinking ship. Rex Jul 2014 #56
It's after five o'clock Aerows Jul 2014 #61
We could only wish...just look up a few posts above yours. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #85
Few and far between, at one time it was a rather large group that high fived each other Rex Jul 2014 #121
J. Edgar Hoover is laughing in hell right now. Teamster Jeff Jul 2014 #57
He only wishes he had the NSA's technology back in the day. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #86
That's food for thought, because Hoover was also dedicated Babel_17 Jul 2014 #88
Exactly BillZBubb Jul 2014 #97
HUGE K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2014 #68
K&R'd! snot Jul 2014 #70
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #96
For the record, I'm not an "NSA defender," I'm a GREENWALD/SNOWDEN attacker. n/t UTUSN Jul 2014 #99
Right, because you'd be attacking those two even if this NSA issue didn't exist. Marr Jul 2014 #117
Oh snap! "Prosense" has disappeared! elias49 Jul 2014 #105
You're right! Where is she? nt riderinthestorm Jul 2014 #120
Snooping on the medical records of people who weren't singled out for lawful surveillance... klook Jul 2014 #106
Who says they are 'snooping'? randome Jul 2014 #122
This appears to be in absence of a warrant. klook Jul 2014 #144
This has nothing to do with metadata. randome Jul 2014 #148
"...some of that data may belong to American citizens." klook Jul 2014 #165
K&R pscot Jul 2014 #108
I don't think this is anything new. Haven't we've know since the beginning Fla Dem Jul 2014 #123
Wow, you hit the Deflection Superfecta!!! hueymahl Jul 2014 #126
Don't forget, hughee99 Jul 2014 #135
I noticed there are G_j Jul 2014 #127
Maybe everyone has them on ignore like I do 2banon Jul 2014 #133
Every now and again Aerows Jul 2014 #152
that's an intersting idea.. 2banon Jul 2014 #153
The NSA is despicable blackspade Jul 2014 #138
HRC continues to demean & ridicule Snowdon Divernan Jul 2014 #160
Yikes. Quantess Jul 2014 #166
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