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stupidicus

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Thu Apr 5, 2012, 09:53 PM
Apr 2012

"First they came..." comes to mind.

and where exactly does the definition of fascism require that the bodies start piling up as soon it effectively becomes the form of government underwhich we are all living in this country?

What you appear to be arguing for, is something analogous to since the boy cried wolf, and there weren't any immediately threatening anyone physically in the vicinity, that wolves no longer pose a threat even though they are still individually acting the part, and in search of the same kinda meal -- in this case, political power cake with greed icing. All those justifiably fearful of and alarmed about wolves should silenced, lest one endure the annoyance of an inarguable false alarm you can't demonstrate, here, or haven't anyway with that cookie cutter stuff.

Under the definition of fascism from Mussolini, http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2012/jan/20/us-constitution-and-civil-liberties-us-supreme-court

“Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power”

and since we've already witnessed the marriage between the state and corporations, where's the problem with calling the proverbial spade the spade? I will of course entertain arguments that this isn't presently the case in alarming measures, and that it's unreasonable to see it as the threat it is. Aristocracy, oligarchy, plutarchy, fascism, they are all cousins, given the common element of the political power being wielded by the few. And given the long history now of the rightwing minions voting against their own self-interests in this country, their authoritarian/patriarchal-leanings, as well as their obviously disproportionate holding of various bigotries and inclinations to otherize others, all we really need to see is a few more million muslims to die before they match the Nazi record and earn the comparisons.

The similarity/parallels between this and the arguments the flat earthers have been making for years now, are quite striking. After all, the climate has changed before, so it must do so in much the same way and for the same reasons this time too, having nothing to do with what we've been doing. Surely you didn't expect us all to play the ostrich role, did you? They object to the use of the flat earther label too, despite how well they fit the description.

The fact of the matter as far as I can tell, the fascists tailor their suits to suit the environment in which they are in while selling their wares and ways. SO your blueprint is useless as a means of showing a misuse of the term. It's really little more than representitve of your preference it not be used, because you think it does a disservice to those who died under more brutal and repressive forms of it in the past, who didn't have the history to conjure up "First they came..." lines to serve as warnings. When I read rightwingers applauding the hundred or more deaths by torture of "the others", and calling for glass parking lots in this muslim country and that, it's people like you I think of, and your certainty that it "can't happen here". They are ripe for the picking/prodding further into the darkside, and 9/11 was used as a major cultivating tool. And after all, it was Martin's fault he got shot, and more recently, the little girl got pepper sprayed. Methinks you need need to suit up and take a deep plunge into the darkness of the modern rightwingnut mind to gain some understanding and appreciation of, how many baby steps remain before it can "happen here".

Movements identified by scholars as fascist hold a variety of views, and what qualifies as fascism is often a hotly contested subject. The first movement to self-identify as Fascist was the National Fascist Party of Benito Mussolini. Strains which emerged after the original fascism, but are often placed under the wider usage of the term, self-identified their parties with different names. Major examples include Falangism, Integralism, Iron Guard, and Nazism.[336]

Republicanism in this country may well be added to this list down the road in the history books, in other countries anyway.

Just wait until the south of this continent becomes unbearably hot, crops fail and the water sources dry up, and require "socialistic" solutions. Gee, whatta kinda measures do you think will be required to quell the predictable social unrest, and who'll be living comfortably? I'd say those in the boardrooms and halls of power, who'll do anything necessary to retain their mountain of cash they can ski down for fun, just as they are now. "Just watch this drive!" http://dissidentvoice.org/Articles3/Jayne_Hitler-Bush.htm

We could be just a Romney presidency away from them coming outta the woodwork en masse, like the racist and islamophobic cousins have since 9/11. Personally I think they did in the Bush years, and didn't need Doc Britts effort http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/fasci14chars.html to say so.

Of course they won't call themselves fascsits, for reasons similar to but not to be confused with your objections to its use -- the negative CONnotations.

Thankfully some the most odious facets of fascism have not been fully indepat Apr 2012 #1
How many innocent people, do you suppose, have died in the War on Terror? sudopod Apr 2012 #2
All respect, for this is interesting, yet in my opinion what you are doing is editing out Bluenorthwest Apr 2012 #3
too true. Time to be aware of the pathway to hell. bbgrunt Apr 2012 #9
I share your sentiments. dixiegrrrrl Apr 2012 #10
The details leading up to the madness can not be stressed enough. n/t EmeraldCityGrl Apr 2012 #11
Absolutely. woo me with science Apr 2012 #22
What a chilling example you chose. Wait Wut Apr 2012 #4
Absolutely brilliant and chilling. Will be using this link as response K Gardner Apr 2012 #5
Thanks for the insightful comment. freshwest Apr 2012 #6
My, my gratuitous Apr 2012 #7
Life never changed much for the "good" Germans sudopod Apr 2012 #8
Thank you for not ignoring the sign posts. Some how those lucky enough not to have a family midnight Apr 2012 #17
using the NKVD as an example of fascism to upbraid people for using the term "fascism" improperly... MisterP Apr 2012 #12
I was one of those who strongly opposed the unrec function Flying Squirrel Apr 2012 #13
like with others, that thing about stupidicus Apr 2012 #14
Welcome to DU. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2012 #15
thanks stupidicus Apr 2012 #20
Both your post & the OP's are powerful & thought-provoking. pacalo Apr 2012 #16
have I found and old friend stupidicus Apr 2012 #21
I used that totally as a compliment to your thinking & writing skills. pacalo Apr 2012 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author woo me with science Apr 2012 #23
Very interesting opinion. Rex Apr 2012 #18
NKVD were fascists? Fumesucker Apr 2012 #19
Poster lost me on that score. Ikonoklast Apr 2012 #26
Welcome to the new DU! nt woo me with science Apr 2012 #24
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