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woo me with science

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11. I get in trouble for this all the time.
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 11:09 AM
Jul 2014

I'm not a political scientist, and I appraise the words based on how I believe they are interpreted by average citizens who hear the labels. You're absolutely correct that they are used consistently to describe neoliberal and Third Way politicians. I detest their use, because I think they have popular connotations that actively disguise the true extremism and antidemocratic nature of the policies involved.

"Centrism" to me carries a deliberate connotation of being "in the center"..in other words, not extreme in either direction. Ditto for the word "moderate," which is constantly used to describe Third Way politicians whose policies are anything but moderate in the traditional sense of the word.

Austerity and attacks on safety nets in a country that has already devastated its middle class are opposed by over 80 percent of Americans across party lines, yet these Third Way economic positions are nevertheless described as "centrist," as though they fell in the mainstream of American opinion. Policies coming out of our government now routinely bear little resemblance to what people have repeatedly stated in polls that they want, and neoliberal politicians lie their way through campaigns because they realize how unpopular their positions really are...yet we persist in calling them "centrists."

Secret laws, secret courts, "Kill Lists"/indefinite detention without due process, and mass surveillance in the United States of America are extreme violations of our Constitution and should not be considered "moderate" positions in any sense of the word. They are extreme, even fascistic policies, yet the politicians who espouse them are permitted by us to describe themselves as "moderates."

I think we need to start using the words, "corporatist," "extreme," and even "fascist" to describe what is happening in this country under the corporatist/neoconservative/neoliberal/Third Way agenda. We are witnessing a malignant merger of state and corporations and the active dismantling of important Constitutional protections. The corporate state is pouring our tax dollars into propaganda and marketing for their agenda, and IMO the vast majority of Americans, while aware of their own economic pain, have little understanding of the peril facing our democratic institutions and basic Constitutional protections.

We use words that suggest the current neoliberal and neocon policies are business as usual in America...just another flavor of policies that Americans can trust still fall safely within the boundaries of a democratic, constitutional, representative political system. They are "centrist" or "moderate." But they really aren't...and I think we need to adjust our labels to drive home the seriousness of the crisis we face.




A centrist would be against big war, big insurance, big oil, big wealth, & the TPP. grahamhgreen Jul 2014 #1
+1 And the surveillance state. woo me with science Jul 2014 #4
That's confusing. LWolf Jul 2014 #10
I get in trouble for this all the time. woo me with science Jul 2014 #11
I like this explanation. LWolf Jul 2014 #13
Yeah, that's the truly maddening part. woo me with science Jul 2014 #15
Exactly. Polling data puts Bernie & Elizabeth in the center, Hillary on the far right. grahamhgreen Jul 2014 #14
+100000 woo me with science Jul 2014 #16
+1 Enthusiast Jul 2014 #20
The DLC absconded with the term leadership their claims to centrism HereSince1628 Jul 2014 #23
"... the claim of being moderate, centrist positions requires a stretching bow-legged stance" woo me with science Jul 2014 #24
Agree. Hillary is no centrist at all. I will stay home if shes my only choice. At least with Katashi_itto Jul 2014 #22
Had enough of Third Way politics; Ready for Elizabeth! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2014 #26
or Bernie! :) woo me with science Jul 2014 #33
Gotta love Bernie; would be very happy to vote for him also. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2014 #34
You are right. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #19
I hope not as well davidpdx Jul 2014 #2
Hillary wounded herself during her disasterous book tour; no doubt there are several well-qualified candidates on the sidelines ready to jump in. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2014 #27
That makes (at least) two of us. nt Buns_of_Fire Jul 2014 #3
Count me in... Stellar Jul 2014 #6
Press is a Great Radio Show earthside Jul 2014 #5
Elizabeth Warren is ok, but I really dislike her being used as some symbol of 'genuine progressives' Bluenorthwest Jul 2014 #7
Naw, she is just a wing of the party, not a symbol of 'genuine progressives' Omaha Steve Jul 2014 #8
Her voting record in the Senate is very progressive. cali Jul 2014 #18
Last thing we need is a Hillary coronation ceremony. I'm guessin she won't run when a serious progressive representing the 99% steps up to the plate. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2014 #29
There not over unless we produce a candidate betterdemsonly Jul 2014 #31
Of course, you're so right, cuz Hillary's cozying up 2 the interests of Wall Street, rather than Main Street, leaves a major vacuum that, by its very nature, WILL be filled.... InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2014 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2014 #30
As much as I like Hillary, I hope there's 10-12 strong candidates on that stage. conservaphobe Jul 2014 #9
who expects that? bigtree Jul 2014 #12
K&R woo me with science Jul 2014 #17
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Jul 2014 #21
Why is anyone even seriously contemplating the thought Beacool Jul 2014 #25
K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2014 #28
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