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wisechoice

(180 posts)
58. If GMO is safe then why we had recall?
Thu Jul 31, 2014, 02:15 PM
Jul 2014

The StarLink corn recalls occurred in the autumn of 2000, when over 300 food products were found to contain a genetically modified corn that had not been approved for human consumption.[1] It was the first-ever recall of a genetically modified food. The anti-GMO activist coalition Genetically Engineered Food Alert, which detected and first reported the contamination, was critical of the FDA for not doing its job. The recall of Taco Bell-branded taco shells, manufactured by Kraft Foods and sold in supermarkets, was the most publicized of the recalls. One settlement resulted in $60 million going to Taco Bell franchisees for lost sales due to the damage to the Taco Bell brand.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taco_Bell_GMO_recall

In August 2013, StarLink corn was reported to be found again contaminating some foods in Saudi Arabia.[47]

and Dr. Tyson is welcome to eat all the GMO, insecticide-laden food he wants magical thyme Jul 2014 #1
Exacttly, magical thyme.. no one is "infallible". I've been eating organic food for Cha Jul 2014 #18
Exactly. Maat Jul 2014 #114
GMO and insecticide-laden are not the same thing ag_dude Jul 2014 #117
Bt is certified for organic farming as well... mike_c Jul 2014 #122
It's not hypocritical; the link below describes the difference between organic farmers' use ... Maat Jul 2014 #126
As soon as the general public shows anything resembling competence... ag_dude Aug 2014 #139
How fascist of you. Maat Aug 2014 #158
That site is an advocacy site, tied to promoting organic products. HuckleB Aug 2014 #238
I've been on DU for quite some time ag_dude Aug 2014 #138
ok. then herbicide-ridden... magical thyme Aug 2014 #242
So you think it's wise to go with unjustified fear? HuckleB Aug 2014 #221
"But constantly dousing crops in glyphosate exacted a price." magical thyme Aug 2014 #236
Cherry picking, and failing to see the full consensus leads to wrong conclusions. HuckleB Aug 2014 #237
looking at the entire 1st page of studies returned by google is hardly cherry picking magical thyme Aug 2014 #239
Yes, it is. HuckleB Aug 2014 #240
the search terms were glyphosate toxicity magical thyme Aug 2014 #241
Ah, so now you're making claims you can't support. HuckleB Aug 2014 #243
A little more valuable information for you: HuckleB Aug 2014 #244
Well, he's infallible here, so I'll go with him on this one. nt Dreamer Tatum Jul 2014 #2
Yup, nothing like asking a physicist about biology & nutrition. appal_jack Jul 2014 #22
"Yup, nothing like asking a physicist about biology" Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #75
Look, I like Tyson (& evolutionary theory) very much. appal_jack Jul 2014 #85
When the smartest person in the room speaks... cleanhippie Jul 2014 #88
Depends on what that "smartest" person is talking about Art_from_Ark Aug 2014 #140
Are you implying that NDT is ignorant in Biology and Ecology? cleanhippie Aug 2014 #143
No, it’s possible he’s just being dishonest Chathamization Aug 2014 #146
Or... gcomeau Aug 2014 #151
People actually working on GMOs think that's a pretty huge distinction, but they're not celebrities Chathamization Aug 2014 #154
It's a difference in speed and capability. Not type. gcomeau Aug 2014 #155
Eh...so if the "difference is large" then saying they are the same might be, I dunno, incorrect? Chathamization Aug 2014 #157
No. gcomeau Aug 2014 #160
Except the people who work with GMOs say they do so because they can't get the same end products Chathamization Aug 2014 #163
Sigh... gcomeau Aug 2014 #164
Which is why “selective breeding=GMO” is as idiotic as saying “selective breeding=invasive species" Chathamization Aug 2014 #166
WHAT??? gcomeau Aug 2014 #168
Sigh…how do you think those invasive species came about? Hand planted by god? Chathamization Aug 2014 #178
Or by people carrying them from one place to another. gcomeau Aug 2014 #183
Differences between organism are largely the result of selective breeding. You've already stated Chathamization Aug 2014 #187
Is it possible that you yourself may be mistaken? cleanhippie Aug 2014 #153
Occams's razor says trust pop scientists commenting on an unrelated field rather than people working Chathamization Aug 2014 #156
That you only see NDT as a "pop scientist" speaks volumes. cleanhippie Aug 2014 #159
Oh, sorry. You were discussing his paper on the possibilities of gas-rich dwarf galaxies in the Chathamization Aug 2014 #161
You've clearly ignored your own advice. nt appal_jack Aug 2014 #218
He is talking in the abstract. Springslips Aug 2014 #144
I'm not much of a fan of him or science entertainers in general Chathamization Jul 2014 #26
He's Not Teaching Science On TV ProfessorGAC Jul 2014 #28
That's the claim; one could also claim that professional wrestling promotes interest in exercise.N/T Chathamization Jul 2014 #29
Non Sequitur Alert (eom) ProfessorGAC Jul 2014 #45
Yes. Unsubstantiated claims supporting stuff I like are nothing like unsubstantiated claims Chathamization Jul 2014 #49
I think Tyson is making an error here. immoderate Jul 2014 #3
So does hybridization. jeff47 Jul 2014 #4
So why don't I feel better? immoderate Jul 2014 #9
'Cause two Cha Jul 2014 #20
Because unfounded fears are not easily soothed with logic. (nt) jeff47 Jul 2014 #32
You're contradicting yourelf Armstead Jul 2014 #43
The unfounded fear is that a "GMO" is more dangerous than a "traditional" hybrid. (nt) jeff47 Jul 2014 #65
what you plan on eating for lunch? snooper2 Jul 2014 #36
Nonsense. appal_jack Jul 2014 #23
And that changes how other varieties were immune by..........? jeff47 Jul 2014 #31
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2014 #5
You're not alone, imm Cha Jul 2014 #19
So does this mean there is no difference between selective breading wandy Jul 2014 #6
essentially, that is correct.... mike_c Jul 2014 #37
GMO genes do not store information from the past. immoderate Jul 2014 #41
of course they do-- ALL genes store information about an organism's past.... mike_c Jul 2014 #44
Is there evidence that such lateral info transfers have occurred naturally? Gormy Cuss Jul 2014 #42
yes, it happens all the time in nature.... mike_c Jul 2014 #47
So lateral transfer has or has not been observed in multicellular organisms? Gormy Cuss Jul 2014 #115
yes, it has... mike_c Jul 2014 #116
There's a bunch of lateral transfer in the bacterial world. jeff47 Jul 2014 #66
Ahem, humans have retro viral DNA in their chromosomes. longship Aug 2014 #132
I think I understand this........... wandy Jul 2014 #64
that's a decent analogy... mike_c Jul 2014 #71
So he opposes laws intended to mandate "Contains GMO's" on labels? closeupready Jul 2014 #7
Yes, he was speaking only to DU jeff47 Jul 2014 #8
he illustrates why it's a pointless endeavor, actually Scootaloo Jul 2014 #13
Minor point BootinUp Jul 2014 #21
This is very disappointing PatSeg Jul 2014 #10
there is no material difference AT ALL between hybrids and GMOs.... mike_c Jul 2014 #40
Anti-GMO and Anti-Vaccination woo is the Left's climate change denial and creationism. DemocraticWing Jul 2014 #11
Amen. nt conservaphobe Jul 2014 #14
Agree nt Quixote1818 Jul 2014 #16
exactly-- very disappointing and embarassing.... mike_c Jul 2014 #38
Could not be more true. NuclearDem Jul 2014 #60
Yep. n/t Throd Jul 2014 #67
Agreed customerserviceguy Jul 2014 #83
All too true! HuckleB Aug 2014 #231
It's always fun to watch him talk down to idiots. conservaphobe Jul 2014 #12
Good for NDT. Iron Man Jul 2014 #15
Now Neil deGrasse Tyson goes under the DU bus. former9thward Jul 2014 #17
^^That Orrex Jul 2014 #25
Because mere disagreement is actually throwing someone under the bus... LanternWaste Jul 2014 #39
Hmmm, let's see ... former9thward Jul 2014 #53
Hmmm, let's see ... former9thward Jul 2014 #54
The wheels on the bus go round and round whistler162 Jul 2014 #24
There's a big diff betw incremental discrete hybrids & Frankenfoods 99th_Monkey Jul 2014 #107
my concern about gmos is more of an engineering one: testing time. unblock Jul 2014 #27
I'm more concerned about the unintended consequences of introducing GMOs to the environment. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #72
20 years from now... CanSocDem Jul 2014 #92
HT and BT crops HAVE been around for about two decades ag_dude Jul 2014 #119
An Astrophycist commenting on Biology. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author laundry_queen Jul 2014 #62
does that mean you dismiss Tyson's defense of evolution...? mike_c Jul 2014 #86
You went totally off base there. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #89
ah, then I misunderstood your comment and I apologize.... mike_c Jul 2014 #91
Thanks, I can see how you would misunderstand where I'm coming from. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #95
Well said PatSeg Jul 2014 #112
just saying d_r Jul 2014 #33
I believe the distinction you're missing is that "feral" does not equal "wild..." mike_c Jul 2014 #35
one either respects and embraces science or one rejects it out of hand, preferring ignorance.... mike_c Jul 2014 #34
Saying that anyone who is anti-GMO is anti science PatSeg Jul 2014 #48
Backwards, third world countries like PatSeg Jul 2014 #50
so what do you call ignoring the reasoned, professional judgement of the majority... mike_c Jul 2014 #52
Not over the top. It's fact. kcr Jul 2014 #57
Stop linking to b.s. slanted articles ag_dude Jul 2014 #120
Gee thanks for telling me what to do (or not do) PatSeg Jul 2014 #124
Funny laundry_queen Jul 2014 #125
Thanks for the moment of sanity PatSeg Aug 2014 #130
I didn't and I don't. ag_dude Aug 2014 #137
LOL laundry_queen Aug 2014 #162
I don't care what your stance is ag_dude Aug 2014 #167
And laundry_queen Aug 2014 #169
First, who linked to anything sponsored by Monsanto? ag_dude Aug 2014 #170
I read the entire thread, oh condescending one. laundry_queen Aug 2014 #172
Predictable. ag_dude Aug 2014 #173
There's that projection again. nt laundry_queen Aug 2014 #176
Yes, you say you aren't something but you act just like it ag_dude Aug 2014 #177
You don't spend as much time here as you used to because... ag_dude Aug 2014 #136
And I have a feeling PatSeg Aug 2014 #142
No, I spend time here... ag_dude Aug 2014 #149
I would like the DUers who have a family member or friend who has been killed by GMO products Nye Bevan Jul 2014 #46
I'm impressed. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #51
Plenty of DUers with no scientific background whatsoever Maedhros Jul 2014 #55
scientific literacy doesn't require terminal degrees in every field.... mike_c Jul 2014 #56
+1 nt PasadenaTrudy Jul 2014 #81
Bravo! nt Quixote1818 Aug 2014 #129
^^That Orrex Aug 2014 #145
"I didn't know he had degrees in biology, genetics..." Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #76
All he had to do was look at the peer reviewed research Quixote1818 Aug 2014 #128
He's making the same assumption everyone else is. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #141
But that's always going to be true about everything Orrex Aug 2014 #148
At what point? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #201
If GMO is safe then why we had recall? wisechoice Jul 2014 #58
the recall was a procedural matter, not caused by any evidence of harm.... mike_c Jul 2014 #59
EPA is anti science? wisechoice Jul 2014 #98
of course, that's not at all what I said... mike_c Jul 2014 #108
procedural matter? wisechoice Aug 2014 #133
Like all other products, GMO can be unsafe. chrisa Jul 2014 #80
Often the argument is whether it is regulated properly wisechoice Jul 2014 #103
There are literally hundreds of types of GMOs ag_dude Jul 2014 #121
And those that slip out because wisechoice Aug 2014 #188
Perhaps you could link to actual facts? ag_dude Aug 2014 #197
now wikipedia is not legitimate source? wisechoice Aug 2014 #211
There's a difference between hybridization and round-up resistant soybeans. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2014 #61
Kudzu is fine. Human’s have been introducing “invasive species” for thousands of years. There’s no Chathamization Jul 2014 #63
Introduced species upset the ecological balance in a region, denying that is anti-science. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #69
Poe’s law. Not surprising, given the pseudo-science being spread by the pro-GMO crowd.N/T Chathamization Jul 2014 #82
Good example. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2014 #102
Lose the f'ing dog whistle. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2014 #100
There was no natural precedent for the nectarine either. jeff47 Jul 2014 #68
there's a lot of FUD and biological illiteracy in your response.... mike_c Jul 2014 #74
1) to my knowledge, humans didn't traditionally hybridize corn by breeding with cyanobacteria. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2014 #96
so is "traditional" the baseline for "acceptable?" mike_c Jul 2014 #104
We are at the stage of genetic science where drugs were at the time of thalidomide. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2014 #110
this is what the "scientists playing God" argument has evolved into.... mike_c Jul 2014 #113
there are two different types of GM shireen Jul 2014 #70
please explain why phylogenetic distance has any relevance to the moral issue.... mike_c Jul 2014 #79
I don't know. I'm illiterate. shireen Jul 2014 #87
just about every major scientific and medical organization HAS said that GMOs are safe... mike_c Jul 2014 #90
the issue is more nuanced than that shireen Aug 2014 #150
Neil Degrasse Tyson is dead to me Enrique Jul 2014 #73
The Banana is also genetically modified. Lint Head Jul 2014 #77
Anti-GMO woo is as bad as healing crystals woo, and homeopathy woo. chrisa Jul 2014 #78
+9,000,000,000 eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #84
I hate to break it to Dr Tyson madokie Jul 2014 #93
actually, round up resistance more than likely WAS obtained by selective breeding.... mike_c Jul 2014 #97
I'm sorry Mike madokie Jul 2014 #99
Splicing the DNA from petri dish grown cyanobacteria onto soybean DNA is just like... lumberjack_jeff Jul 2014 #106
best comment in this thread.... mike_c Jul 2014 #109
If the science indicated a need for labeling, I'd support it ag_dude Jul 2014 #118
I do have only one issue with his argument, traditional hybrids can't be patented... Humanist_Activist Jul 2014 #94
He's right. alarimer Jul 2014 #101
Dr. Vandana Shiva PatSeg Aug 2014 #209
scientist not approved by monsanto wisechoice Aug 2014 #212
AND PatSeg Aug 2014 #215
No wild cows? Fawke Em Jul 2014 #105
in genetics "wild" does not mean "feral..." mike_c Jul 2014 #111
I'm just now getting to this and you're correct.. Fawke Em Aug 2014 #220
NDT debunks creationist nonsense on Cosmos, collective orgasm. NuclearDem Jul 2014 #123
I guess it depends on why the GMO's were GMed tularetom Aug 2014 #127
I guess that is too simple and basic PatSeg Aug 2014 #131
It's simplistic and basic, yes ag_dude Aug 2014 #174
Funny, though, that our ancestors never spliced fish genes into a tomato. xfundy Aug 2014 #134
Why is it seen as panicking? Live and Learn Aug 2014 #135
Labeling indicates that there is a danger. ag_dude Aug 2014 #175
Those studies are biased wisechoice Aug 2014 #189
Wow, that's a keeper PatSeg Aug 2014 #193
There's your problem. It's a Wikipedia controversies page ag_dude Aug 2014 #196
No my dear PatSeg Aug 2014 #199
You are citing a Wikipedia controversies page as a source ag_dude Aug 2014 #200
And you are still PatSeg Aug 2014 #202
ill take that as a no. ag_dude Aug 2014 #204
You should take it PatSeg Aug 2014 #205
So, no, you don't know what Wikipedia controvery pages are? ag_dude Aug 2014 #206
there goes your ignorance wisechoice Aug 2014 #213
Of course PatSeg Aug 2014 #216
A Wikipedia controversies page? ag_dude Aug 2014 #195
No -- labeling indicates there is a label! immoderate Aug 2014 #207
riiiight ag_dude Aug 2014 #208
Missing the matter of who and why. Politically naive. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #147
You know PatSeg Aug 2014 #165
There was recently a new story on this laundry_queen Aug 2014 #171
I recently read two books PatSeg Aug 2014 #180
Oh, here's my area of expertise laundry_queen Aug 2014 #181
Ah, so its not my imagination then PatSeg Aug 2014 #184
No, not your imagination laundry_queen Aug 2014 #194
I have several DU friends PatSeg Aug 2014 #198
I've given up too. bananas Aug 2014 #228
With what Laundry Queen said, PatSeg Aug 2014 #229
i have wondered wisechoice Aug 2014 #210
Such people PatSeg Aug 2014 #214
I have to agree with you wisechoice Aug 2014 #185
Yep PatSeg Aug 2014 #190
Well this thread is good timing for this discussion PatSeg Aug 2014 #182
They are anti science countries wisechoice Aug 2014 #186
What is wrong with those backwards countries??? PatSeg Aug 2014 #191
That's fine that he has this point of view, but ... daggahead Aug 2014 #152
THAT is the issue he fails to address here. closeupready Aug 2014 #179
That's nice. Rex Aug 2014 #192
The World According to Monsanto PatSeg Aug 2014 #203
That's disingenuous. LWolf Aug 2014 #217
Here comes the bus! NickB79 Aug 2014 #219
Yikes. HuckleB Aug 2014 #222
fear to label food? wisechoice Aug 2014 #223
No one is afraid of labels that give actual information. HuckleB Aug 2014 #224
Then give that information wisechoice Aug 2014 #225
If he's looking for accuracy laundry_queen Aug 2014 #227
You're post is odd, at best. HuckleB Aug 2014 #230
i am trying to understand this wisechoice Aug 2014 #234
Why do you ignore the content of my post in your reply? HuckleB Aug 2014 #235
I think he just crawled under the bus and some here want to drag him back into the light of day FiveGoodMen Aug 2014 #226
Really? HuckleB Aug 2014 #232
Alas, too many scientists refrain from pointing out the obvious. HuckleB Aug 2014 #233
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