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hfojvt

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39. I think it is better to talk about yourself
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 10:25 AM
Aug 2014

than to talk about "most" people.

"Most of us non-Jews in the US have MANY Jewish friends,"

Puts me squarely in the minority then. I don't have ANY Jewish friends.

First of all, because I don't really have any friends. Second, even among my "aquaintances" and FB "friends" and people I know from the past, I can only think of ONE Jewish Professor that I knew in grad school, and I never even took a class from him.

And as for "terror and growing hatred". You mention Native Americans. Well, the "terror and growing hatred" was on BOTH sides.

"For the settlers, who suffered less in terms of fatalities, the constant violence, the unpredictability of sudden attacks, and the sight of atrocities reminiscent of the worst excesses of European wars bred an ever-present anxiety, a sense of dread and apprehension that permeated everyday existence." The Barbarous Years p 501

And the death rates of settlers to America were sometimes pretty astounding. From the same source

"But when Smith left for England in October 1609 the signs, as winter approached, were ominous. Indian attacks were multiplying, the outer settlements were destroyed, and stragglers, foragers, and exploring parties were routinely killed. Supplies for the expanded population dwindled, especially after rats devoured much of the corn reserve. Diseases continued to ravage the settlers." p. 60

"By May 1610, when the remainder of the delayed flotilla of 1609, including the new interim governor, Sir Thomas Gates, finally arrived, only sixty of the four hundred of the previous spring and summer were alive ..." p. 61

And probably the only reason those 60 did not die as well, was because they were rescued by that flotilla. So the death rate was "only" 85%.

In this current conflict with 2,000 Palestinian deaths, the death rate is 0.1%. (so far). Not to say that 2,000 is no big deal, but at the same time, 2,000 simply is NOT as big a deal as 20,000 or 200,000. If Israel really was deliberately trying to kill civilians, what would the death total be?

i feel a lot of people who are doing it are doing it purposely to STICK IT JI7 Aug 2014 #1
I disagree. I haven't used that term but I don't see why it would be against "JEWS" as you say. MH1 Aug 2014 #27
I think it is better to talk about yourself hfojvt Aug 2014 #39
Yep. 840high Aug 2014 #58
Who are you and what have you done with Scootaloo? Fozzledick Aug 2014 #2
In the film "Source Code" that question brings a smile. nt edgineered Aug 2014 #54
I do find it somewhat ironic that the theocratic Tea Party is siding with Israel ErikJ Aug 2014 #3
I don't consider those who side with Hamas to be at all progressive. Fozzledick Aug 2014 #4
Dead kids are dead kids think Aug 2014 #6
Parroting Hamas' anti-Israel propaganda only encourages them to get more kids killed. Fozzledick Aug 2014 #7
Excuse me? think Aug 2014 #8
OK, you're excused. Fozzledick Aug 2014 #13
Israel is to blame for Hamas' human sacrifice strategy??? malaise Aug 2014 #24
See? THIS is exactly the kind of shit I'm talking about. Fozzledick Aug 2014 #40
I'm sorry, but Israel has to take responsibility for its own actions. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2014 #56
Enough with your disingenuous excuses for aggressive war and terrorism. Fozzledick Aug 2014 #62
And that's just this round. 2banon Aug 2014 #50
Hamas is just as guilty. 840high Aug 2014 #60
And parroting Israel's anti-Palestinian propaganda doesn't? Hissyspit Aug 2014 #17
Did you notice the title of this thread? intaglio Aug 2014 #31
Parroting Hamas' propaganda is more harmful Fozzledick Aug 2014 #46
Propagating Israeli propaganda intaglio Aug 2014 #49
Hamas is responsible for ALL the deaths on both sides. Fozzledick Aug 2014 #61
What a peice of work your post is intaglio Aug 2014 #64
I would have thought Hamas' apologists would be ashamed to show their faces today. Fozzledick Aug 2014 #66
I have never made apology for Hamas, intaglio Aug 2014 #68
You contradict yourself. Fozzledick Aug 2014 #69
Where or are you just making stuff up? n/t intaglio Aug 2014 #70
+1 whatchamacallit Aug 2014 #91
so those of who are against Israel slaughtering the Palestinians while they m-lekktor Aug 2014 #23
Apparently neither was John Lennon. randome Aug 2014 #25
Progressives are certainly not "Siding" with a theocracy... truedelphi Aug 2014 #5
Dear one, the US sends much aid to many countries who have laws against being gay Bluenorthwest Aug 2014 #33
Being anti-gay, abhorrent on its own, does not compare to killing children. randome Aug 2014 #34
I was comparing killing of gay people to killing of other people. Is that wrong in your eyes? Bluenorthwest Aug 2014 #92
I agree that the U.S., as a country, should make more demands -where we can- on equal rights. randome Aug 2014 #93
I am not sure that I get the gist of your remark. truedelphi Aug 2014 #55
the teabaggers aren't siding with a seculary socialist democracy and progressive aren't siding with JI7 Aug 2014 #9
do you seriously think teabaggers support israel because of their welfare system ? JI7 Aug 2014 #11
Being against the destruction of Gaza, including murder of children, is NOT siding with Hamas. MH1 Aug 2014 #28
This TeamPooka Aug 2014 #53
The ruling party coalition of Israel is not secular. BlindTiresias Aug 2014 #59
Nadin's a she, I'm pretty certain. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #10
Did not know; edited accordingly Scootaloo Aug 2014 #14
Nonsense, a pox on both of their houses. longship Aug 2014 #12
No... family fueds tend to last a long time. whistler162 Aug 2014 #21
The 'gotcha' works from both directions. randome Aug 2014 #15
I don't really think any comparison of Israel with Nazi Germany is fair or accurate, personally. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #16
It doesn't have to be an exact analogy. Hissyspit Aug 2014 #18
But Americans avoid the equation to treatment of Native Americans which is a better analogy Bluenorthwest Aug 2014 #35
yes, really hfojvt Aug 2014 #41
You paid for your slaves too, we didn't kidnap those folks and enslave them! TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #65
+1 bravenak Aug 2014 #77
Analogies are just that, analogies cpwm17 Aug 2014 #19
"...no matter what religion they practice." randome Aug 2014 #20
Thank you for agreeing cpwm17 Aug 2014 #22
"the primary purpose of religion" hfojvt Aug 2014 #43
Corporations have papers, too. And bylaws. randome Aug 2014 #45
the purpose of a gun IS to kill hfojvt Aug 2014 #51
You really think religion was created to do good? randome Aug 2014 #67
Hear, Hear! defacto7 Aug 2014 #81
but not all analogies are good analogies. and bad analogies mislead onenote Aug 2014 #90
Nadin won't be gone long Capt. Obvious Aug 2014 #26
Until mid August, according to her transparency page. :( MerryBlooms Aug 2014 #30
Damn! L0oniX Aug 2014 #44
in this case it's not the usual ones she has a problem with that are responsible JI7 Aug 2014 #76
Here's my nuanced position steve2470 Aug 2014 #29
+1. nt bemildred Aug 2014 #32
Good post. Agschmid Aug 2014 #36
Agree, well said n/t Spazito Aug 2014 #37
Thank you. n/t snpsmom Aug 2014 #89
Comparing Israel to nazis is hyperbolic anti semitism.Especially sufrommich Aug 2014 #38
I've never understood this but a lot of people come to DU believing they are in enemy territory el_bryanto Aug 2014 #42
I don't see why one cannot compare anything to anything else treestar Aug 2014 #47
Elections have consequences AnalystInParadise Aug 2014 #48
Yeah, all those children are definitely to blame for electing Hamas. MH1 Aug 2014 #57
That last senteence is a point we can actually agree on AnalystInParadise Aug 2014 #73
that's like saying 9/11, Sandy Hook, Katrina were all deserved JI7 Aug 2014 #71
In the eyes of radical Islam AnalystInParadise Aug 2014 #72
people could have been saved during Katrina, which is my point but Bush as President JI7 Aug 2014 #74
Are you really trying AnalystInParadise Aug 2014 #82
9/11, Katrina, Sandy Hoook and Elections have Consequences JI7 Aug 2014 #83
Palestinian civilians DO NOT deserve to be indiscriminately killed.... Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #86
+1000 MrBig Aug 2014 #52
Good OP scootaloo.. 2banon Aug 2014 #63
I made a similar point a week or so ago BainsBane Aug 2014 #75
I don't always agree with you, but I'll second that. cheapdate Aug 2014 #78
The Settlements is the issue here. deathrind Aug 2014 #79
K&R. I wish I'd seen this earlier. MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #80
I take that to be indicative of a very low standard here! Scootaloo Aug 2014 #88
Did you really mean to start this defacto7 Aug 2014 #84
I'm not seeing a shit-storm... Scootaloo Aug 2014 #85
Well, nice op! defacto7 Aug 2014 #87
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