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cleduc

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60. I agree "Cowardly, Selfish" is nonsense and horrible way to express what went on.
Wed Aug 13, 2014, 12:06 AM
Aug 2014

I reject that while feeling we don't have a ton of facts to be very conclusive and we may never know.

29 years ago, I lost my best friend. He also had a drug and drinking problem. His grandfather, father, brother and sister all graduated at the top of their medical classes. So he had a lot of good medical support. He also had a couple of friends who really cared and did everything we could imagine to help him. He died after going on a bender and inhaling his vomit.

It was easy to conclude alcoholism and drug abuse was his downfall but it troubled me. We had done every single step of the 12 steps of AA and a whole bunch of other things thoroughly yet still lost him. I continued to communicate with his other good friend over the last 29 years and we'd gone over it and over it trying to figure out where we let him down or screwed up. (and I don't need the customary "it's not your fault" because I needed answers - it bugged me)

Last year, the guy who replaced him as my best friend started to behave somewhat similarly. I was all over it because I didn't want to get hurt again. It was the worst wound of my life. So I went to court and had my friend committed to a psychiatric hospital. They let him out and I had to do that two more times until they kept him for a while. The diagnosis was hypomania bipolar disorder. And I had my answer.

What we (the smart doctors and family) missed 29 years ago was the psychiatric diagnosis and treatment. The drug and alcohol abuse was just a symptom. In fairness to the doctors, not as much was known 29 years ago and the treatment choices we have today are substantially better. But we had treated the symptom of alcoholism and not the whole psychiatric problem. My current dear friend is not out of the woods but we're still working on it and we still have a chance.

Even today, as many would know, the problem with bipolar is kind of like alcoholism - not everyone can be treated successfully and a fair percentage take their own life. With hypomaniacs, the highs are awesome - like a great drug but the lows can be pretty nasty as I understand it (I haven't experienced it).

I'm no psychiatrist but my impression of Robin Williams and his behavior has a ton of similarities to my friends. He struck me as being bipolar with hypomania.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypomania

pressured speech
inflated self-esteem or grandiosity
decreased need for sleep
flight of ideas or the subjective experience that thoughts are racing
easy distractibility and attention-deficit similar to attention deficit hyperactivity disorder
increase in psychomotor agitation
involvement in pleasurable activities that may have a high potential for negative psycho-social or physical consequences (e.g., the person engages in unrestrained buying sprees, sexual indiscretions, reckless driving, or foolish business investments).


Now Robin did not publicly display "inflated self-esteem". I don't know if he drove recklessly. He apparently had some money problems which is kind of wild for a guy who is in the top 10 grossing film actors of all time - in spite of his $30 mil combined for two divorces. They don't have to exhibit all the symptoms to be diagnosed with it. It is very common for folks with this condition to deny they have it even after the diagnosis. Sometimes, they take the medication and never accept they have the condition for the balance of their lives.

Having said that, I'm speculating. I don't know for sure. Just passing along some thoughts. But I think that speculation is closer to the mark and more humane than "Cowardly, Selfish".

I haven't been too caught up in the lives of celebrities over the years but a few losses have really got to me: JFK, RFK, MLK and John Lennon. Although they were gunned down and Robin was not, Robin stole my heart and I've been feeling a similar sort of profound loss since I heard the news. From that, I find "Cowardly, Selfish" offensive.
"Cowardly, Selfish" [View all] TygrBright Aug 2014 OP
I agree PowerToThePeople Aug 2014 #1
Well said el_bryanto Aug 2014 #2
That's actually quite a LOT-- "listen and offer what support is requested." TygrBright Aug 2014 #33
This is a remarkably brave and beautiful post. Thank you, Bright. Luminous Animal Aug 2014 #3
Yes, it was. smirkymonkey Aug 2014 #52
Thank You! GitRDun Aug 2014 #4
you are an incredibly courageous and beautiful soul. there are no words niyad Aug 2014 #5
Thank you get the red out Aug 2014 #6
Well said! I wish the English language had a different term for clinical depression - hedgehog Aug 2014 #7
Thank you, thank you! Allie's 2-part blog post is amazing. TygrBright Aug 2014 #34
Thank you for writing that. LisaLynne Aug 2014 #8
The Jerkbrain ellaydubya Aug 2014 #9
DURec X 1000 bvar22 Aug 2014 #10
Thank you. Yes, we DO connect. TygrBright Aug 2014 #36
Honored to K&R this beautiful post. bullwinkle428 Aug 2014 #11
That is the most enlightenig insight to come out of this tragedy so far. world wide wally Aug 2014 #12
A humble thank you locks Aug 2014 #13
Shep Smith apologized on Tuesday for calling Robin Williams "cowardly" on air. amuse bouche Aug 2014 #14
This +1000 ^^^^^! n/t ColesCountyDem Aug 2014 #15
excellent OP, thanks from a fellow sufferer nt steve2470 Aug 2014 #16
See, this is why we have to dig WAY deeper than just some trite surface dismissal. calimary Aug 2014 #17
Yes! That's an excellent thread, and the Rude One totally gets it. TygrBright Aug 2014 #37
If you have never onecaliberal Aug 2014 #18
Thank you Tribalceltic Aug 2014 #19
Utterly fantastic post (nt) jeff47 Aug 2014 #20
excellent MFM008 Aug 2014 #21
Very well said. Thank you for posting. LoisB Aug 2014 #22
Thank you for the discussion mnhtnbb Aug 2014 #23
That is very insightful. TygrBright Aug 2014 #39
I wish I could express this stuff BlancheSplanchnik Aug 2014 #24
Sounding whiney and pathetic goes with the territory. TygrBright Aug 2014 #40
thanks Bright, BlancheSplanchnik Aug 2014 #42
so poignant and honest. and also... Stuart G Aug 2014 #25
K/R Jack Rabbit Aug 2014 #26
K/R 100X albino65 Aug 2014 #27
Thank you for those words. Paka Aug 2014 #28
I used to believe just that... Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2014 #29
Your post is eloquent, TygrBright. freedom fighter jh Aug 2014 #30
Thank you, TygrBright. nt Granny M Aug 2014 #31
Well done ! Thanks for the post. russspeakeasy Aug 2014 #32
Incredible post! ybbor Aug 2014 #35
One aspect of the Program that keeps me alive is helping others who share this pain. TygrBright Aug 2014 #41
No Thank You! ybbor Aug 2014 #44
+ 10000 --I understand and have heaven05 Aug 2014 #38
Could be worse.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #43
Thank you, Bright, for what must have been a difficult thing to do. Ferretherder Aug 2014 #45
Thank you, Ferretherder! It's been an amazing ride so far, hasn't it? TygrBright Aug 2014 #47
Truth be told, my friend, I sometimes find it hard to recognize... Ferretherder Aug 2014 #68
Thank you... ms liberty Aug 2014 #46
This message was self-deleted by its author EEO Aug 2014 #48
{{{EEO}}} may your life be much easier, sweeter, and pain free. veness Aug 2014 #70
Emotional pain is just as real TNNurse Aug 2014 #49
I am so tired of hearing "healthcare professionals" and those who work alongside them rustydog Aug 2014 #50
I can't imagine calling suicide selfish or cowardly bhikkhu Aug 2014 #51
so many things I could say, but mostly I say Thank You rurallib Aug 2014 #53
Remarkable post Iwillnevergiveup Aug 2014 #54
Bright, this is so poignant... everything you posted is true... depression hurts and it secondwind Aug 2014 #55
YES ocd liberal Aug 2014 #56
If there is anything good about this event, it's the general care with which it's been reported - hedgehog Aug 2014 #57
they would be so much better off without me. mopinko Aug 2014 #58
One of the most compelling posts I've read here on DU. navarth Aug 2014 #59
I agree "Cowardly, Selfish" is nonsense and horrible way to express what went on. cleduc Aug 2014 #60
This is the letter I wrote to my bipolar niece (name changed for obvious reasons): chervilant Aug 2014 #72
That was a real nice letter cleduc Aug 2014 #76
I was thinking about this quote from my post above: cleduc Aug 2014 #81
I didn't understand depression chervilant Aug 2014 #82
That was a very moving reply cleduc Aug 2014 #85
This is a beautiful letter, thank you for sharing it with us. TygrBright Aug 2014 #79
I am in awe of your OP, TygrBright! chervilant Aug 2014 #83
You are welcome to post it on FB. TygrBright Aug 2014 #84
One of the best pieces I've ever read on the subject. Congratulations. IrishAyes Aug 2014 #61
This is so true dvg Aug 2014 #62
Beautiful. Thank you. liberalmuse Aug 2014 #63
Thank you, Bright ReRe Aug 2014 #64
It is not selfish or cowardly. In fact, most of those calling Live and Learn Aug 2014 #65
Wonderful post. LeftishBrit Aug 2014 #66
Thank you for this. CallMeKat Aug 2014 #67
Well put! peace13 Aug 2014 #69
A very dear young friend VA_Jill Aug 2014 #71
As long as their have been people, people have been tortured to death. Orsino Aug 2014 #73
Thank you TygrBright! BobbyBoring Aug 2014 #74
I had someone tell me that depressed people are selfish and self absorbed. deafskeptic Aug 2014 #75
Yep. Drowning people have very little interest in others' problems, too. n/t TygrBright Aug 2014 #80
very powerful hibbing Aug 2014 #77
Thank you Tyger passiveporcupine Aug 2014 #78
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