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Lee-Lee

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46. Who was in danger?

Reply to Erose999 (Reply #45)

Thu Aug 21, 2014, 01:07 PM

Aug 2014

The cop on the left, who had an erratic man coming at him with a knife in his hand.

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Your claims of what happened are far more dishonest Bjorn Against Aug 2014 #1

Witnesses confirmed the knife. Michigander_Life Aug 2014 #4

We have video and we can see what happened Bjorn Against Aug 2014 #5

They should have let him keep coming to stab them? Michigander_Life Aug 2014 #6

There is no evidence he was going to stab them Bjorn Against Aug 2014 #8

No evidence? Michigander_Life Aug 2014 #9

The video shows him several feet away when he was shot Bjorn Against Aug 2014 #11

Police training is to not allow anyone with a knife within 21 feet Michigander_Life Aug 2014 #12

Once again the video shows no knife Bjorn Against Aug 2014 #17

I have an extra large monitor Generic Other Aug 2014 #37

why not try a supposed non-lethal weapon like a taser first? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #55

Tazers are excellent tools to be used in such situations if practical Michigander_Life Aug 2014 #58

and Deadly force WASNT needed in this case...deadly force should ONLY be used VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #63

Many departments don't issue tazers of only issue tazers to supervisors or select officers Michigander_Life Aug 2014 #65

Hello? Doesn't that ring any bells at all with you? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #66

MRADs are free Michigander_Life Aug 2014 #69

Do they require upkeep? Does that cost money? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #71

For some departments, upkeep is relatively inexpensive Michigander_Life Aug 2014 #72

In order for a taser to be effective, it has to be in the cop's hand instead of a pistol. arcane1 Aug 2014 #67

EXACTLY! VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #73

Come on....a mentally deranged individual with a pocket knife... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #74

Exactly!!!!!! They are here to protect the mentally ill. Those cops were terrible. Could have zonkers Aug 2014 #78

I'm sorry, but I wouldn't pintobean Aug 2014 #79

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2014 #75

Ignoring their pleas???? Punkingal Aug 2014 #102

He didn't have his knife hand raised, as the police claimed, assuming there was a knife. pnwmom Aug 2014 #97

OK Feral Child Aug 2014 #85

The "Knife Rule" is 21 feet, doncha know? moriah Aug 2014 #68

Why bulletS? Why wasn't the first bullet (or two) plenty to make this man not a threat? pnwmom Aug 2014 #99

The thugification of black men on DU continues unabated. eom MohRokTah Aug 2014 #2

This is simple, if the man is white and wearing dockers and Gucci on a street in BaggersRDumb Aug 2014 #60

Woooo be afraid etherealtruth Aug 2014 #80

Maybe police should learn to fight by hand in some cases world wide wally Aug 2014 #3

In some cases Michigander_Life Aug 2014 #7

merely being armed with a deadly weapon is not a capital offense. unblock Aug 2014 #15

yeah because as usualy, killing the black guy is really the only option. unblock Aug 2014 #10

if someone says 'shoot me', does it not indicate that this person is in the middle of a La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2014 #13

If he was sitting on the curb yelling shoot me -- of course Michigander_Life Aug 2014 #16

in any situation, shooting a man without attempting to really de-escalate the situation La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2014 #19

walking. yeah, that pretty much leaves no option. no way the officer could out-walk him. unblock Aug 2014 #21

So you're of the opinion that walking toward police and saying "shoot me" is rational behavior? Erose999 Aug 2014 #43

This message was self-deleted by its author Michigander_Life Aug 2014 #54

What? Michigander_Life Aug 2014 #57

haha, you act as though their job was to serve and protect. unblock Aug 2014 #18

lol. i know. so silly of me. nt La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2014 #20

+1 uponit7771 Aug 2014 #53

There is no knife wielded in the video. Iron Man Aug 2014 #14

He pulls the knife out of his pocket at 1:26 Lee-Lee Aug 2014 #23

Yeah, he deserved to be shot 7 or 8 times because he was holding Iron Man Aug 2014 #24

If you come at anyone, cop or not, swinging a knife Lee-Lee Aug 2014 #25

It's clear the victim needed mental help. Iron Man Aug 2014 #26

So had he been coming at you Lee-Lee Aug 2014 #27

Isn't there a reason that tasers exist? Iron Man Aug 2014 #36

I am tired of typing it over and over Lee-Lee Aug 2014 #38

But shooting a person a dozen times is viable? Iron Man Aug 2014 #39

When a taser cant reliably be employed Lee-Lee Aug 2014 #40

Murder is a-okay then. Iron Man Aug 2014 #41

When someone is coming at you with a knife Lee-Lee Aug 2014 #42

8 or 9 times in the space of a few seconds? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #81

You shoot until the threat is stopped Lee-Lee Aug 2014 #82

And that's exactly the attitude I don't want in armed people. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #86

Its always good to try and deescalate Lee-Lee Aug 2014 #91

Why was it necessary to escalate force though? Who in that video was in any immediate danger? Erose999 Aug 2014 #45

Who was in danger? Lee-Lee Aug 2014 #46

Who was in danger Lee-Lee Aug 2014 #84

So, he's not actually 'waving' the knife anymore? polly7 Aug 2014 #89

many departments dont allow tazers Travis_0004 Aug 2014 #95

He wasn't "swinging" the knife. And he was no threat at all after the first gun shot. pnwmom Aug 2014 #98

You told me he was waving it at them. polly7 Aug 2014 #33

Check you glasses Lee-Lee Aug 2014 #34

I don't wear glasses, but his arm doesn't appear to me to be moving from side to side at all. nt. polly7 Aug 2014 #35

Post removed Post removed Aug 2014 #96

I don't understand cwydro Aug 2014 #22

because they didnt have tazers Travis_0004 Aug 2014 #28

Tazers can kill people???? Punkingal Aug 2014 #104

This man was mentally I'll..... FarPoint Aug 2014 #29

+1 iscooterliberally Aug 2014 #32

If they had to shoot him Piscatarian Aug 2014 #30

Shooting to wound is inconsistent with proper police training and procedure Michigander_Life Aug 2014 #31

Rec'd your own thread I see. Kingofalldems Aug 2014 #44

I'm awesome Michigander_Life Aug 2014 #47

The hips aren't those attributes though... police need to be more accurate uponit7771 Aug 2014 #49

Neither is shooting more bullets than you need to. He wasn't armed with a gun so he wasn't pnwmom Aug 2014 #101

Hopalong Cassidy, The Lone Ranger, Annie Oakley, even Tonto could shoot the weapon... immoderate Aug 2014 #70

They couldn't shoot him in the legs? tia uponit7771 Aug 2014 #48

Center Mass ksoze Aug 2014 #50

Center mass is military training... I remember that from boot camp uponit7771 Aug 2014 #52

I have family in the rcmp ..... I remember hearing of how, in basic training polly7 Aug 2014 #61

Two different shootings ksoze Aug 2014 #62

I can see where the bystanders are in the video. polly7 Aug 2014 #64

This is army training. He's not the enemy. Why pump multiple bullets into him after pnwmom Aug 2014 #103

No, that isn't proper police procedure for reasons listed in this thread. Michigander_Life Aug 2014 #51

... center mass is military lingo... I'm seeing all kinds of wrongs with this thinking uponit7771 Aug 2014 #56

The reasons apply for LE as well Michigander_Life Aug 2014 #59

These cops didn't even try to talk him down Warpy Aug 2014 #76

Did you not hear them talking? JJChambers Aug 2014 #83

I heard an order Warpy Aug 2014 #87

Tell me Lee-Lee Aug 2014 #92

When he charges. Warpy Aug 2014 #93

I am so sorry for the disturbance in you pretty little world. ret5hd Aug 2014 #77

how sad Catherine Vincent Aug 2014 #88

Actually you can hear them asking him to drop the knife as he is approaching them JJChambers Aug 2014 #94

He put the cans down on the curb and waited for the police to arrive - he knew what he was doing. Justice Aug 2014 #90

No. I don't think he was shot over two cans of soda. Boom Sound 416 Aug 2014 #100

Anyone who doesn't follow police instructions is asking for trouble. Kablooie Aug 2014 #105