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In reply to the discussion: Left concern about HRC is NOT "hatred"...it's about what we stand for as a party and a country [View all]cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)294. When One Defends The "War And Wall Street" Factions Of America - The Criticism Is Deserved
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Left concern about HRC is NOT "hatred"...it's about what we stand for as a party and a country [View all]
Ken Burch
Aug 2014
OP
I think it's not a question of whether she could win, or how many people love her.
Voice for Peace
Aug 2014
#179
So its not a question about the fact that she can beat every known Republican potential...
VanillaRhapsody
Aug 2014
#284
I deeply dislike and distrust HRC's hawkish stance on foreign policy. I really, really do.
BlueCaliDem
Aug 2014
#381
If Sarah decides to run, by that measure, Hillary doesn't stand a chance.
Voice for Peace
Aug 2014
#213
She's got nothing but harassment for those of us that won't side with Goldman-Sachs and the
rhett o rick
Aug 2014
#234
NO see that is not how it works....as I stated before....unless YOU have something that beats that
VanillaRhapsody
Aug 2014
#289
I can't push back when they trash her so vilely? With such disgust and disdain?
VanillaRhapsody
Aug 2014
#291
Could you provide a link to her page? Because I can't find the one with 2 million fans.
Luminous Animal
Aug 2014
#210
calling other Democrats "Centrists" seems to be the favorite of ad hom of the
VanillaRhapsody
Aug 2014
#50
OHHH so now YOU are the arbiteur of what is or isn't Progressive too....
VanillaRhapsody
Aug 2014
#57
Meaningless statement....Alot does not necessarily mean "most" does it?
VanillaRhapsody
Aug 2014
#63
NO I would say YOU are the one being presumptious in thinking that YOU might
VanillaRhapsody
Aug 2014
#70
We do know one thing, if you supported Hillary in '08 you were in the minority.
A Simple Game
Aug 2014
#93
I voted for the winner of the Democratic Primary....yes before that I supported Hillary Clinton
VanillaRhapsody
Aug 2014
#108
You can really say that Hillary is to the left of President Obama? I notice you can't
A Simple Game
Aug 2014
#127
I believe you would earnestly like to influence those of us who have concerns.
Voice for Peace
Aug 2014
#182
I don't feel like a big fish in a small pond. I try to avoid feeling like a fish, if possible.
Ken Burch
Aug 2014
#100
there are idealists....you are one...and there are those that know the true makeup of the Democratic
VanillaRhapsody
Aug 2014
#186
I am concerned that you have created a fantasy world, in which few progressives have
Voice for Peace
Aug 2014
#194
Oh I am suppose to hold your hand while I vigorously disagree with you?
VanillaRhapsody
Aug 2014
#258
Well, personally, I consider them DINOs, but that's an ad hom, so I didn't use it.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
Aug 2014
#86
I note that HRC is a "centrist" when it's convenient for her supporters here
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2014
#95
Well it seems even Ronald Reagan would be called one by the current Teabaggers.....get it?
VanillaRhapsody
Aug 2014
#152
If free trade is solid Dem policy, then Dems are solidly wrong on that one.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
Aug 2014
#189
I'm no Clinton booster, but remember that the supporters are not the person.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
Aug 2014
#356
Yet on election day your "superior ethical standards and moral convictions" go out the door....
VanillaRhapsody
Aug 2014
#191
sad to report there are a lot of people who will never vote for Hillary.
Voice for Peace
Aug 2014
#219
Democrats are people that uphold Democratic Principles. H. Clinton is a Democrat only in name.
rhett o rick
Aug 2014
#241
Actually no....Democrats hold Primaries and they decide amongst themselves
VanillaRhapsody
Aug 2014
#256
Keep up the rationalizations, it must make you feel better about supporting
rhett o rick
Aug 2014
#261
I will support Democrats, not all Democrats like some corporate sell-outs, but I will always support
rhett o rick
Aug 2014
#272
so you are not really a Democrat...you are an Independent who happens to vote Democrat....
VanillaRhapsody
Aug 2014
#229
that doesn't matter...IF you are not committed to supporting the nominee the other Democrats
VanillaRhapsody
Aug 2014
#259
... and the DBC and damn near every Democrat since 2001 who accepted DNC funds?
wyldwolf
Aug 2014
#297
Exactly....these Far Lefties want to hold to their high and mighty ethics.....over the Democratic
VanillaRhapsody
Aug 2014
#361
I'm "concerned" alright. Concerned about the fact that she still thinks it's a good idea to campaign
Chakab
Aug 2014
#11
Bu t it is a proven fact that whoever the Powers that Be want to win the election
truedelphi
Aug 2014
#176
Not surprising, the Clintons have more in common with Ryan than they do with
A Simple Game
Aug 2014
#97
Wow you got in as response number one. Best spot for a thread hijack. If you wish to convince
rhett o rick
Aug 2014
#232
Good for TWM. I was waiting for you to show up. Now if only the Stock Market would
rhett o rick
Aug 2014
#250
I'm concerned, given the relative ages of the Justices, that choosing an unelectable
Trust Buster
Aug 2014
#12
Hillary's supporters will continue to try to misrepresent her opposition, because there are valid
w4rma
Aug 2014
#17
I had to log in just to comment & rec. She would be the second Walmart president.
silvershadow
Aug 2014
#18
HRC will have the Obama coalition to pick up your slack. The only thing preventing her from.....
Tarheel_Dem
Aug 2014
#24
Why would I want to remain a member of an organization that no longer reflects my values?
GiveEmEnoughRope
Aug 2014
#348
No. It's not. It's obnoxious and simple-minded to brush all critical opinion of HRC as such.
stillwaiting
Aug 2014
#46
Everything that has been said about HRC has also been said about MEN with the same views.
Ken Burch
Aug 2014
#228
Exactly. I am concerned that she is not what everyone thinks she is. We are a party that has a
jwirr
Aug 2014
#33
Nobody on the left is opposed to the very idea of a woman as president. You know that. n/t.
Ken Burch
Aug 2014
#67
So if you were on the left, and informed, would you be concerned about Clinton's positions?
A Simple Game
Aug 2014
#113
Accusations of hate and misogyny are what folks are stuck with because other than lame warmed up
TheKentuckian
Aug 2014
#42
That's been pretty much the mantra of the Dem party for the last 20-30 years.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
Aug 2014
#78
HRC - Too Supportive of Wall Street And The MIC - Too Old School - Not Progressive
cantbeserious
Aug 2014
#52
Yes someone explain to someone that supports these positions on H-1B is "Progressive"?
cascadiance
Aug 2014
#257
''Those, who have anointed her obviously fear that she might not do so well if confronted
JaydenD
Aug 2014
#201
This same statistically insignificant, hysterical component of the "left" has done the exact same
Number23
Aug 2014
#268
Another example of a 'proooogresssiiivvee" who thinks he/she's smarter than the rest of.
wyldwolf
Aug 2014
#314
Amazing the number of people anxious to vote for her - despite the dire warning of 'proogressiives"
wyldwolf
Aug 2014
#354
it seems to be the only language the 'more liberal than thou' progressives understand
wyldwolf
Aug 2014
#106
but you, alone, don't get to decide if your principles are right the whole party
wyldwolf
Aug 2014
#133
None of us said we did...but we do have the right to keep fighting for what we stand for.
Ken Burch
Aug 2014
#239
No, I said her policies contradict what progressives and, on some issues, the American majority,
Ken Burch
Aug 2014
#337
all those words you typed in reply on re-enforce the point - you think 'progressives' along speak...
wyldwolf
Aug 2014
#351
actually you said "it's about what we stand for as **a party*** and a country
wyldwolf
Aug 2014
#378
the Loyalists have never been right in 12 years, neither on what it takes to get into office
MisterP
Aug 2014
#91
I'm open to Warren or Bernie...also possibly Feingold(if he were to run)and several others.
Ken Burch
Aug 2014
#110
Not building myself an escape hatch. Just saying there are several candidates I could back.
Ken Burch
Aug 2014
#124
spoken like a true fundamentalist. You just have the squishy truthiness feeling inside.
wyldwolf
Aug 2014
#149
What name calling? 'Fundamentalist' is a very accurate description of 'progressives'
wyldwolf
Aug 2014
#160
The country simply can't afford another Republican President -- from either party
RufusTFirefly
Aug 2014
#123
Well, some people here might hate HRC as a person. But that's really beside the point.
Dark n Stormy Knight
Aug 2014
#130
I think Savannahmann is on the right track re: what running Hillary will accomplish:
woo me with science
Aug 2014
#131
We should start by identifying the most fundamental problem, then look for the right candidate.
Maineman
Aug 2014
#140
and when you "find" the "right candidate," what then? Beg that person to run?
wyldwolf
Aug 2014
#143
You are going on one interview, I prefer to take her record, I do not support candidates on a single
Thinkingabout
Aug 2014
#325
When I read many post since the interview and excuses those writing the posts is HRC is too hawkish
Thinkingabout
Aug 2014
#359
Apparently you're confusing nouns and verbs. Perhaps a refresher in English is on your agenda.
wyldwolf
Aug 2014
#355
She has said nothing about Ferguson and she endorsed what Netanyahu did to Gaza
Ken Burch
Aug 2014
#238
as opposed to Warren who sent one solitary tweet on Fergusan and endorses what Netanyahu did to Gaza
wyldwolf
Aug 2014
#244
The tweet means Warren wasn't silent. It's different from saying nothing at all.
Ken Burch
Aug 2014
#371
it means she took 3 seconds to tweet it and *poof!* all done and lost in the sea of tweets
wyldwolf
Aug 2014
#380
Did you read her position on the issues? She voted yes on IRV with Bush using all options
Thinkingabout
Aug 2014
#249
Because Rand Paul is to the left of Hillary, Libertarians doesnt believe in doing anything
Thinkingabout
Aug 2014
#309
Lots of unnecessary bile here. As long as it remains issue-based, we're all on safe ground
DFW
Aug 2014
#222
Hillary Clinton's <<POLICIES>> are NOT conducive to a healthy, winning DEM Party.
blkmusclmachine
Aug 2014
#235
Yeah, she has a lot of name recognition, but notice that her support is FALLING over time!
cascadiance
Aug 2014
#265
The only thing many people KNOW is that she's SLIGHTLY better than today's Republicans...
cascadiance
Aug 2014
#324
a matter of perspective. What isn't a matter of perspective is the numbers anxious to vote for her
wyldwolf
Aug 2014
#352
Because frankly this country is SICK of how it's been destroyed by Republicans and these Democrats
cascadiance
Aug 2014
#260
except no one believe that hogwash except the 'more liberal than though' left
wyldwolf
Aug 2014
#290
No blaming those that claim that "money is free speech" which is what CREATES this crap!
cascadiance
Aug 2014
#364
When One Defends The "War And Wall Street" Factions Of America - The Criticism Is Deserved
cantbeserious
Aug 2014
#294
No other candidate has ever said the stupid things she says. Except on the right.
JaydenD
Aug 2014
#319
YIKES! 75% of the replies are on my ignore list-- as a DUer since 2002 this says something
carolinayellowdog
Aug 2014
#273
So, A Relentless Defender Of The Clinton's Is A Centrist Troll - Would You Be On Your Own Ignore List
cantbeserious
Aug 2014
#293
this will fall on deaf ears. Those of us who object to Arne Duncan "hate Obama"
Doctor_J
Aug 2014
#281
Why do people keep telling HRC to engage on particular issues? In one post last
Welibs
Aug 2014
#302
I think after 6 years of President Obama we can safely say there actually was little or no
JCMach1
Aug 2014
#384
At least...as of this point...we haven't bombed Iran yet. Or gone all-out in Syria.
Ken Burch
Aug 2014
#390