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snooper2

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114. You brought up RW arguments, In post #89 I brought up fundies/PRON

Wed Aug 27, 2014, 12:52 PM

Aug 2014

where stupid ass fundies previously in porn have been posted at this site- IE: real example of RW arguments being brought to this site (remember posting those?)

You jumped in and are now lumping in ALL people who were hurt by porn. Good tactic but still a fail-

Train on track, train not on track, do we have a caboose?

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The Hawkeye Initiative redraws absurd superheroine poses with Hawkeye [View all] redqueen Aug 2014 OP

Clever way to make a point! pinboy3niner Aug 2014 #1

It certainly makes the contrast impossible to miss! redqueen Aug 2014 #2

The great thing is that it involves others in contributing pinboy3niner Aug 2014 #6

Yep, it really is a great idea. redqueen Aug 2014 #7

. Rex Aug 2014 #18

Those are great! kentauros Aug 2014 #47

I am roaring with laughter, here.... MADem Aug 2014 #130

The hulk made me LOL! Rex Aug 2014 #136

. pinboy3niner Aug 2014 #3

Thanks! redqueen Aug 2014 #9

DU Rec. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #4

I dunno either Tuesday. redqueen Aug 2014 #8

Kick! Heidi Aug 2014 #5

Thank you! redqueen Aug 2014 #10

Kicking, because this crap gets so ridiculous. I particularly like the quote, "Welcome to the Squinch Aug 2014 #11

That quote does sum it up where sexual objectification is concerned. redqueen Aug 2014 #12

Just adding more evidence of progress. redqueen Aug 2014 #13

Guess who agrees that this issue is no big deal redqueen Aug 2014 #14

That's not possible. BainsBane Aug 2014 #17

Yep, it's interesting how those same RW arguments are so popular on this site. redqueen Aug 2014 #22

Like the xtian fundies on YouTube that say PRON IS EVIL! snooper2 Aug 2014 #89

You mean the women who used to be in porn who talk about being abused? redqueen Aug 2014 #95

Yeah, there are a couple of those "converts" who are milking the scene snooper2 Aug 2014 #98

Your lack of compassion is noted. redqueen Aug 2014 #100

You mean for compassion for people like Shelley Lubben the fraud? snooper2 Aug 2014 #106

No. Try reading. Did you find anyone trying to discredit Alexa Cruz as well? redqueen Aug 2014 #108

don't know who they are, but if you go from doing porn for a living snooper2 Aug 2014 #111

No, sexual objectification in comics. You're the one who started talking about porn. redqueen Aug 2014 #112

You brought up RW arguments, In post #89 I brought up fundies/PRON snooper2 Aug 2014 #114

You mean the one who had this to say about our president? opiate69 Aug 2014 #102

Nope. She's just one of many. There's a link above. Try reading. nt redqueen Aug 2014 #107

k&r Starry Messenger Aug 2014 #15

Thank you. redqueen Aug 2014 #25

Thank you for holding down the fort -- Hell Hath No Fury Aug 2014 #16

I understand completely. redqueen Aug 2014 #23

Checked them out -- Hell Hath No Fury Aug 2014 #24

Who is Hawkeye? BainsBane Aug 2014 #19

A long time Avenger character Blue_Adept Aug 2014 #20

One of the Avengers redqueen Aug 2014 #21

If you've seen the Avengers, it's this guy: BklnDem75 Aug 2014 #57

So nobody in the links you provided know anything about comics. Iron Man Aug 2014 #26

And the "reversed" Hawkeye/Black Widow cover hifiguy Aug 2014 #27

You guys will find no disagreement with your views at Breitbart. redqueen Aug 2014 #28

You were shown to be wrong in the other thread about comics. Iron Man Aug 2014 #29

Seriously, I do not find the transposition of hifiguy Aug 2014 #30

And you'll find no disagreement with yours here: opiate69 Aug 2014 #31

No, those links say nothing about the Spider Woman cover. redqueen Aug 2014 #32

*Squawk!* Derail!! Derail!!! Derail!!!! opiate69 Aug 2014 #34

Jury results. Inkfreak Aug 2014 #36

lmao. Thanks opiate69 Aug 2014 #37

The person dodging the issue in this thread is you. Iron Man Aug 2014 #40

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. PragmaticLiberal Aug 2014 #38

How can you say it looks perfectly normal, when Black Widow's spine is severed? KitSileya Aug 2014 #122

As I noted elsewhere, the first thing I thought of when seeing hifiguy Aug 2014 #123

Oh well, I guess none are so blind as those who will not see. n/t KitSileya Aug 2014 #124

The very fact that someone who is a veteran reader of comic books hifiguy Aug 2014 #126

It isn't subliminal, it is very explicit. KitSileya Aug 2014 #128

Mocking Rob Liefeld's impossible anatomy hifiguy Aug 2014 #131

Shall I take it as read that you agree that the poses of the women are anatomically impossible? KitSileya Aug 2014 #132

I will. Because anatomically impossible poses hifiguy Aug 2014 #140

The drawings are done by and for sexually immature males Warpy Aug 2014 #33

Wow. Iron Man Aug 2014 #39

Uh, I hate to be the first one to tell you Warpy Aug 2014 #41

Comic books are porn? Iron Man Aug 2014 #43

Yeah, really. Marr Aug 2014 #46

You know, those of us who read comics are "sexually immature men". Iron Man Aug 2014 #48

ALWAYS. 100% of the time. hifiguy Aug 2014 #110

Comics Alliance - people who make their living writing about comics - have pointed out a lot el_bryanto Aug 2014 #72

Nobody here knows what they're talking about when it comes to comics Iron Man Aug 2014 #86

I read comics as well el_bryanto Aug 2014 #90

DURec leftstreet Aug 2014 #35

I've been a comics fan since I was kid, and I'd be the first to admit Marr Aug 2014 #42

Huge rec on Saga Blue_Adept Aug 2014 #45

Tend to be? Why the watering down? Progressive fans state it plainly: redqueen Aug 2014 #49

Just curious, but do you read any? Blue_Adept Aug 2014 #50

My favorite is The Tick. I used to go to Comic Conventions in my teens and twenties. redqueen Aug 2014 #51

Love the Tick Blue_Adept Aug 2014 #52

Ben Edlund? redqueen Aug 2014 #53

Yup Blue_Adept Aug 2014 #59

SPOOOOOON! redqueen Aug 2014 #60

Yep! Blue_Adept Aug 2014 #62

Of course. redqueen Aug 2014 #64

I said "tend to be" because that accurately describes the situation, in my view. Marr Aug 2014 #77

Why are you claiming I don't read them? redqueen Aug 2014 #85

Do you? Marr Aug 2014 #88

Is it your implication that unless I continuously purchase comics I can't criticize redqueen Aug 2014 #92

Anyone making such sweeping condemnations should know what they're talking about, yes. Marr Aug 2014 #99

"Insult." Love that framing. nt redqueen Aug 2014 #101

I read them ismnotwasm Aug 2014 #125

Strange. Marr Aug 2014 #129

What's even stranger is the expectation that she should Sheldon Cooper Aug 2014 #133

Of course she should. Marr Aug 2014 #137

What I disagree with is anyone trying to have this conversation with you in particular. Sheldon Cooper Aug 2014 #139

My entire position is that redqueen's accusations have some merit... Marr Aug 2014 #141

Aw, you went and hurt my feelings. ismnotwasm Aug 2014 #134

I actually deleted that retort because it was rude. Marr Aug 2014 #138

All you would have to do is look at the Marvel DC solicitations for any given month el_bryanto Aug 2014 #109

Which is why there are so many non-Marvel, non-DC titles out there these days. hifiguy Aug 2014 #113

That's true - but DC and Marvel are still the face of the industry el_bryanto Aug 2014 #115

I began here by acknowledging that such depictions are still present. Marr Aug 2014 #127

Let us be clear: Imaginary people with superpowers are important because so many young people AngryAmish Aug 2014 #44

Comic books reflect what teenage boys want to see LittleBlue Aug 2014 #54

There are tons of progressive voices on fan sites that you can use to educate yourself. redqueen Aug 2014 #55

He dislikes comic books, like you LittleBlue Aug 2014 #58

I referred to his view of SEXUAL OBJECTIFICATION, not comic books. redqueen Aug 2014 #63

A bad argument Blue_Adept Aug 2014 #61

And if those people prefer comic books the way they are LittleBlue Aug 2014 #65

Then they'll get them. Blue_Adept Aug 2014 #68

Agreed. It happened in Japan LittleBlue Aug 2014 #70

Such a different market there Blue_Adept Aug 2014 #73

That's too bad. Marr Aug 2014 #93

Definitely! Blue_Adept Aug 2014 #94

Oh man, that's too bad. Marr Aug 2014 #104

Yup! Blue_Adept Aug 2014 #105

I don't think anybody is talking about force-feeding anybody anything. LisaLynne Aug 2014 #74

Exactly Blue_Adept Aug 2014 #76

You don't think that criticism will impact the freedom of the artist? LittleBlue Aug 2014 #80

Artists aren't and shouldn't be criticized? nt LisaLynne Aug 2014 #81

Big difference between criticism LittleBlue Aug 2014 #82

The artists have a right to continue to portray women in that manner and I ... LisaLynne Aug 2014 #83

Of course you do. Just recognize the difference in these two arguments LittleBlue Aug 2014 #84

As does every thinking person. hifiguy Aug 2014 #91

The age and gender of comic book readers edhopper Aug 2014 #66

Then it looks like LittleBlue Aug 2014 #67

Most likely edhopper Aug 2014 #69

But would that be different if comics were different? LisaLynne Aug 2014 #71

It's instructive to look elsewhere for that to some degree Blue_Adept Aug 2014 #75

I think that's true and ... LisaLynne Aug 2014 #78

There are many comics that appeal to edhopper Aug 2014 #87

Comics aren't just Marvel and DC superhero books anymore hifiguy Aug 2014 #97

Yes this edhopper Aug 2014 #103

This is apropos to this thread edhopper Aug 2014 #117

K&R G_j Aug 2014 #56

For those looking to talk a little more about comics Blue_Adept Aug 2014 #79

fyi = Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #96

So were the pictures from The Hawkeye Initiative supposed to make me feel uncomfortable? hughee99 Aug 2014 #116

This message was self-deleted by its author Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #118

Some of the poses are kinda dopey hifiguy Aug 2014 #119

And actually, in the very first picture... opiate69 Aug 2014 #120

Very true. hifiguy Aug 2014 #121

Apparently, yes ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2014 #135

I get that I don't understand the "background radiation" of a girl or woman's life, hughee99 Aug 2014 #142

It shouldn't go unnoticed that they used the fat bald neckbeard comic book guy stereotype.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2014 #143

I think what they were going for is ridiculous justiceischeap Aug 2014 #144

In the Hawkeye/Black Widow, I didn't think either the original or the redone version hughee99 Aug 2014 #145

Fail Ilpavision Aug 2014 #146

mark to read later uppityperson Aug 2014 #147

K&R Nye Bevan Aug 2014 #148