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jeff47

(26,549 posts)
26. Nope. There is zero evidence of vaccinations increasing autism rates.
Sun Sep 7, 2014, 11:55 AM
Sep 2014

At least, no evidence that uses basic scientific techniques.

Something else appears to be causing the autism rates to increase.

Nope. The rate of autism diagnosis is increasing. That isn't the same as the rate of autism increasing.

Until the 1990s, autism was pretty much only diagnosed in profound cases. More mild cases were treated as if the kid was "a little off" instead of a medical condition.

Then the 1990s and especially the 2000s happened, where those more mild-to-moderate cases were diagnosed. And conditions that used to be separate, such as Asperger's, went from "he's just a geek" to a condition to a sub-set of Autism.

In other words, you can't say the rate of autism has been going up because the criteria for autism has drastically changed over the last 30 years. Looking at just the total numbers is going to make it appear to be skyrocketing, but the changes in criteria are going to have a large effect on the total cases.

A decent proxy for changes in the autism rate would be the number of profound cases diagnosed, since the criteria for that hasn't changed. I remember hearing that the rate for profound cases was nearly constant, but I can't back that up at the moment. Unfortunately, there's enough chaff that I can't find a link to a decent study with some brief Googling.
This article fails to mention that people who are vaccinated can still get the disease, and can also DesertDiamond Sep 2014 #1
Thank you for that! nt kelliekat44 Sep 2014 #3
You fail to take into account that this has always been a (very small) risk baldguy Sep 2014 #5
+1000 sybylla Sep 2014 #10
The following graphic makes clear how current official recommended schedules are varied by country. proverbialwisdom Sep 2014 #16
People in the USA are waking up to the idea that vaccinating babies under the age of one truedelphi Sep 2014 #29
The following graphic makes clear how the US schedule has changed since the 1980's. proverbialwisdom Sep 2014 #17
Update. proverbialwisdom Sep 2014 #22
Watch them all, please. It's clear there's a public health issue here, but not the one you describe. proverbialwisdom Sep 2014 #19
Thank you for these videos. truedelphi Sep 2014 #30
thank you Ms. McCarthy Skittles Sep 2014 #11
uhhhh...because it is the fault of anti-vax nut jobs. Strat54 Sep 2014 #14
That's exactly right. Mariana Sep 2014 #24
Google herd immunity and you'll discover why that's a bad reason to stop vaccinating. (nt) jeff47 Sep 2014 #25
I just want to understand vaccination a little better. kelliekat44 Sep 2014 #2
But you're not dead, are you? baldguy Sep 2014 #6
Every disease is deadly to some extent. laundry_queen Sep 2014 #15
I don't know. I never "broke-out" with measles of any sort, even though my japple Sep 2014 #7
There was no vaccine for measles or chicken pox then (IDK about the others) Gormy Cuss Sep 2014 #13
Year each vaccine was developed csziggy Sep 2014 #18
The vaccines available at that time were: diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis (DTP) and smallpox REP Sep 2014 #36
Just maybe the diseases developed immunity or resistence to our current vaccinations or kelliekat44 Sep 2014 #4
If that were the case, the disease rate would be the same among jeff47 Sep 2014 #35
When I grew up in California (70's), vaccination was pretty universal bhikkhu Sep 2014 #8
Chickenpox vaccine wasn't available in the US until 1995. jeff47 Sep 2014 #34
True, but by not vaccinating, if you become infected, you become a vector. littlemissmartypants Sep 2014 #9
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2014 #12
We were very glad to take our polio shots in the fifties as we had kids crippled by it. freshwest Sep 2014 #20
Re: Flu jeff47 Sep 2014 #27
du rec. xchrom Sep 2014 #21
So are both stories correct? Does vaccination also increase autism rates? Trillo Sep 2014 #23
Nope. There is zero evidence of vaccinations increasing autism rates. jeff47 Sep 2014 #26
Here's some important reading to start with. Sorry about any cognitive dissonance it may cause. proverbialwisdom Sep 2014 #32
If your argument involves "cognitive dissonance" jeff47 Sep 2014 #33
The “Hear This Well: Breaking the Silence..." YouTube Channel testimonials prove otherwise. proverbialwisdom Sep 2014 #39
Ooooo. Youtube. That's where I go for the best science!! jeff47 Sep 2014 #40
An informative read for you with a very cogent & well-supported argument, plus #hearthiswell video. proverbialwisdom Sep 2014 #41
Continuing to spew bullshit doesn't make it true. jeff47 Sep 2014 #42
That's a fearmongering talking point and nothing else. Please review the table in post #16 (above). proverbialwisdom Sep 2014 #43
Yes, zero evidence. Just a whole bunch of bullshit. REP Sep 2014 #37
Autism begins in the womb bhikkhu Sep 2014 #38
k&r Liberal_in_LA Sep 2014 #28
DU rec... SidDithers Sep 2014 #31
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