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Sun Sep 7, 2014, 11:59 PM

39. The “Hear This Well: Breaking the Silence..." YouTube Channel testimonials prove otherwise.

And what's more:

1. You have misspoken. As a live virus vaccine, MMR has never contained thimerosal.


Was thimerosal used in all childhood vaccines?

No. Some other vaccines, including the measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine (MMR), do not and did not ever contain thimerosal or any preservative. Varicella (chickenpox), inactivated polio (IPV), and pneumococcal conjugate vaccines have also never contained thimerosal.


2. According to Rep Chris Smith (as stated during the last Congressional hearing on autism) there are ~40 MILLION cases of autism in Africa. According to the CDC, Somali refugee children in Minnesota are diagnosed with autism at a rate of 1 in 32 (7-9 year olds living in Minneapolis in 2010), or 1 in 8 according to 'the local Somali St. David's community.'


(~4:15 pm)


Overall: 1 in 48
Somali: 1 in 32
White: 1 in 36
Black (excl Somali): 1 in 62
Hispanic: 1 in 80

3 year study
12,000 children studied
Somali rate similar to rates in NJ and Utah.


KARE 11 Staff, KARE 7:12 p.m. EDT July 26, 2012

...The Centers for Disease Control says 1 in 88 children nationally now have autism, and St. David's staff says more concerning, state research shows around 1 in 8 kids in the local Somali community are affected.

3. Are you referring to the widely quoted Oct 2005 newsletter, "In fact, Dr Offit's studies show that in theory, healthy infants could safely get up to 100,000 vaccines at once."

October 31, 2005

If so, please read this enormously awful email exchange between John Stone (UK Editor for Age of Autism) and Prof David Salisbury:


...Arguing with authority in the middle of the past decade in the UK it was alarming how frequently the fall-back position was Offit’s vacuous claim (See BMJ letters HERE/broken link). Even the UK’s vaccine supremo Prof David Salisbury could appear on television declaring it was safe to give an infant 1000 vaccines. Meanwhile, he admitted to me:

"Turning to my comments on Newsnight - I suggest you read Paul Offit's paper - as I have done. On page 126, he states: "Current data suggest that the theoretical capacity determined by diversity of antibody variable gene regions would allow for as many as 109 (1,000,000,000) to 1011(100,000,000,000) different antibody specificities". And "... then each infant would have the theoretical capacity to respond to about 10,000 vaccines at any one time" - not antigens.

I was speaking very specifically about the infant immune system's ability to respond, in the context of the ridiculous suggestion that the new vaccine combination, containing far fewer antigens than the one it will replace, would overload the immune system. My words were "The immune system of a baby has got huge spare capacity to deal with challenge. If we didn't, the human race wouldn't survive. But let's look specifically at vaccine. This has been studied carefully. A baby's immune system could actually tolerate perfectly well 1,000 vaccines".

At no point did I suggest that 1,000 vaccines would not increase the probability of adverse reactions - a quite different matter." (Email August 26, 2004 10.03 am)

We are, of course, not talking about theoretical vaccines or theoretical infants, nor is there any experimental base that he can cite. We, unfortunately, have the experimental base which is our own children and we are not being listened to - like the imaginary victim in Stanley Milgram’s experiment except that we are not imaginary and neither are our children. Nor, as the present Rotateq vaccine scandal demonstrates do we have remotest idea what is really in the vaccines.

John Stone is UK Editor for Age of Autism

Or this scathing APRIL FOOL'S DAY essay (Google: dr paul offit april 1 2012 the refusers) written by the quant wizard father whose daughter suffered a fatal adverse reaction following vaccination.

4. Dr Wakefield? Wait awhile and see what happens. You might've missed this text exchange between Dr. Andrew Wakefield and Dr. William W. Thompson, Aug 27, 2014.

5. Ingredients and manufacturing process? "They've changed repeatedly over the last 20 years." Yes, valid points. You must've seen the highly unsettling MMR overview with ~20 references (Lancet, LA Times) on that topic at AOA? I could only skim it myself, except http://articles.latimes.com/1996-06-17/news/mn-15871_1_measles-vaccine .

6. Herd immunity? Another great point also raised by Dr. Mark Hyman. More: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017206443


Dr Mark Hyman: I am very concerned that public confidence in vaccines has been eroded and see a very important opportunity for policy makers to reassure parents and the population that clear steps have been taken to reduce a potential risk from vaccines and thereby reestablish public trust.

Most consumers and even most policy makers don’t understand that the conclusions from the IOM , which found no correlation between Thimerosal and autism, were fundamentally flawed. First the studies looked only at autism, not at neurodevelopmental disorders in general, missing the potential to identify more subtle harm from Thimerosal. Second, population studies, by their very nature, cannot prove cause and effect, nor disprove it. They can only generate hypotheses based on associations. So to draw a conclusion that they are not linked, and to declare the need for further studies unnecessary is simply scientifically inaccurate. And the few studies observational studies that the IOM report was based on that everyone quotes as vindicating Thimerosal were deeply flawed as extensively documented in the book.

Three of the IOM-accepted studies relied in whole or in part on Danish population autism statistics, which showed that autism levels increased after Thimerosal was removed from vaccines in 1992. This evidence strongly suggested that Thimerosal was not linked to autism. However, the IOM did not properly account for confounding factors in the data, such as the counting of both outpatient and inpatient cases after 1995 that expanded the number of children known to be affected, the adopted use of a broader definition of autism in 1994, and the exclusion prior to 1992 of the largest Danish clinic treating autism, which cared for 20 percent of autism cases.

7. You already know all this, don't you. Why don't you watch the Youtube Channel #hearthiswell #CDCwhistleblower awhile and learn something you don't.

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