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RoccoR5955

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23. Violence is STILL not the way.

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 04:02 PM

Sep 2014

It only begets more violence.
You kill some of them, and the ones that are not dead, and are young, grow up to be more terrorists.
You kill many innocent people. For what? How much oil is a person's life worth?
How about we have a Manhattan Project style program, whereby we get off of ALL fossil fuels in 3 years.
If we could build the atomic bomb in such a short amount of time, I am CERTAIN that we can get everyone in the US off of fossil fuels.
Then we could export that to Europe, Japan, and the rest of the world who needs it. Heck, without our demand on the global marketplace, the price would go way down.
After we make the fossil fuels the dinosaurs of today, we then can have little to do with ISIS, or our next "enemy."

And can you explain to me, why we keep funding these folks as friends, only to have them become our enemies?

Oh, and did I mention that even though the President says that there will be no boots on the ground, what do you call the thousand or so soldiers that will go over there? Will they be wearing pumps, stilettos, or sandals so they don't count as "boots" on the ground?
Give me a break, this is all about corporate and military-industrial complex profits. Nothing more, nothing less.

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Yes, this is all about energy--Syria, Iraq, IS, and the President's Speech. [View all] Laelth Sep 2014 OP

But what's the point of democracy CJCRANE Sep 2014 #1

We must defend our allies. Laelth Sep 2014 #2

So we're just along for the ride? CJCRANE Sep 2014 #3

Nobody's lying here, as far as I can tell. Laelth Sep 2014 #5

A whole bunch of countries CJCRANE Sep 2014 #7

I see no evidence that "the rest of the world" sees this as absurd. Laelth Sep 2014 #8

That's just a couple of our allies. CJCRANE Sep 2014 #12

I read or watch whatever gets posted on DU and Discussionist. Laelth Sep 2014 #21

Our "European allies". Does that include the citizens of said countries CJCRANE Sep 2014 #22

The "citizens" of those countries appear to be opposed to further war. Laelth Sep 2014 #24

You make some good points but that's only part of it. CJCRANE Sep 2014 #26

I certainly expect politicians to advance the interests of the people in a republic. Laelth Sep 2014 #56

GE, Citibank, GM, Boeing, BP, Tyson Foods, KFC, Procter&Gamble leftstreet Sep 2014 #4

wow. that top pic. grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #39

Indeed....Laeth does package it beautifully....But leaves out the ugly parts... KoKo Sep 2014 #6

But you are spouting reality! MohRokTah Sep 2014 #9

Essential liberalism, as I have often argued. Laelth Sep 2014 #10

Very well said! MohRokTah Sep 2014 #11

Quite true. Laelth Sep 2014 #28

There is no doubt that mistakes were made. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #29

Agreed. Quite fully. n/t Laelth Sep 2014 #30

Damn, Laelth, this is perfect: riqster Sep 2014 #16

Thanks. n/t Laelth Sep 2014 #27

How well do you think you precieve reality? ZombieHorde Sep 2014 #46

Interesting question. Laelth Sep 2014 #50

I really like your version of liberalism. nt ZombieHorde Sep 2014 #57

Me too. Thanks. n/t Laelth Sep 2014 #58

well worth the long read. kick. Sheri Sep 2014 #13

Thanks for the kind words. n/t Laelth Sep 2014 #34

Excellent, Laelth. brer cat Sep 2014 #14

This is a delicate and complicated matter. Laelth Sep 2014 #15

Humans have been killing each other over resources since the beginning of time. Doesn't make it liberal_at_heart Sep 2014 #17

No. It doesn't. Laelth Sep 2014 #35

No, this is just another aspect of the clash of cultures. randome Sep 2014 #18

Interesting perspective. Laelth Sep 2014 #36

Uh-huh. randome Sep 2014 #48

Atrocities? Laelth Sep 2014 #55

This starts out looking informative and ends up saying absolutely nothing of consequence Maven Sep 2014 #19

In all fairness, the post isn't self-contradictory. Laelth Sep 2014 #20

Not much unless it is your family being bombed. JEB Sep 2014 #43

Violence is STILL not the way. RoccoR5955 Sep 2014 #23

It's about politics and economics. Laelth Sep 2014 #51

Like I said RoccoR5955 Sep 2014 #53

I am open to any program you have in mind ... Laelth Sep 2014 #54

UnRec bvar22 Sep 2014 #25

I'd love to hear about the "other options" you have in mind. Laelth Sep 2014 #52

You did not provide any links for the gas going from the Kurds to Europe. former9thward Sep 2014 #31

The information you seek can be found from the links below. Laelth Sep 2014 #32

Europe uses 21,000,000 barrels of oil a day. former9thward Sep 2014 #33

The post is thoughtful and locks Sep 2014 #37

The fuck? For a fraction of the cost of war(s), we could be up and running on renewable energy. grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #38

The problem for oil would be if ISIS threatened the oil production areas in southern Iraq, amandabeech Sep 2014 #40

I have great respect for you, but this post is mostly horseshit hueymahl Sep 2014 #41

Cross-post. Laelth Sep 2014 #42

Kick their ass and take their gas! J_J_ Sep 2014 #44

I think you mean Phil and Wendy Gramm, right? Bongo Prophet Sep 2014 #59

Yes, basically true. kentuck Sep 2014 #45

We need more war to win elections? ZombieHorde Sep 2014 #47

I think Laelth is trying too hard to be subtle and sarcastic. randome Sep 2014 #49