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Response to napkinz (Original post)

Sat Sep 13, 2014, 04:36 PM

52. Let me throw this into the mix:

PNAC was formed while Clinton was in office. Iraq was on the list. The page was bare for a while, but other voices are well-represented now. Their philosophy is boiler plate media mem and their plans are both frightening and telling about the kind of people they are:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Project_for_the_New_American_Century&printable=yes

The only reason its doors were shutted in 2006 was that their real 'mission accomplished' was done deal by then. No POTUS after them could undo what they put into motion world wide, not in its entireity, only attempt to mitigate and work around it as Obama has. And they have not stopped fighting him over it, using every form of kind of media persuasion they can, to make his Nobel peace prize principles fail.

They have bought off the GOP justices on the USSC and in every state and district they can for total dominance of all branches of government as they had under GWB, shredding independence.

Only the voters can overturn this. But they may not show up, thus leading to now openly for war Rand Paul and Ted Cruz, both Koch employees, to rule the Senate. The public is kept diverted with many things that aren't true.

IMO, the Election of 2000 was a coup which was long planned, as Jeb Bush took over Florida and GWB defeated Ann Richards in Texas. Other than the rise of RW media giving what I see as the wrong solutions to everything, there was n o pressing need to have them elected. Oh, and I've actually talked to truly low-information GOP voters who literally thought they were voting for Bush, Sr. in 2000! Their lives were easier then as the systematical dismantling of New Deal advantages through the Gingrich years hadn't occured yet and they wanted a return to those 'kinder, gentler' days which FDR gave them as the GOP demonized it.

The Bush boys' victories were well funded and based on appealing to Baby Boomers' fears and resentments during the Carter presidency. It was an explosion of white rage against Progress, no matter how justified.

I think Reagan should have never been allowed to become President, any more than Nixon with what has been unearthed and is now known by the public, but was known by those defeated, yet they knew by then that they had lost in the court of public opinion. Both Nixon and Reagan and later the Bushes, acted with foreign powers to subvert our elections. Now we have others doing the same thing.

During the Reagan years, some found conservative religion to be their way of making a difference and validating their own positions in society, and turned their backs on the democratic society that gave them advantages, which they wanted to hold onto and embraced the defunding of all state and federal functions. National and local MSM gave them a sense that they were justified in hurting the unpopular and poor.

The photo of Bush at the ranch 'on vacation' is frequently cited, as well as the one in the class room as signs of Bush's stupidity and foolishness.

I buy neither of those ego boosting assumptions. It is dangerous to ignore what was really going on and ascribe it to quirks of personality or failures of intelligence. The left is well known for wearing blinders on what appears to me, blatantly obvious. Bush, the GOP, et all are not playing by the same book we are. They are NOT failing in any way. It's vanity to say they are stupid when what they do does not feed our narrative of history and is why they win.

There are, and always have been, parallel systems of economics competing in the USA. That is what led to the Civil War. And the Right wants another one and have poised themselves to take over peacefully, then the war on us will really begin. Although I'd say for some of us, it already has.

I feel the scene of Bush was not a pure vacation as many want to think. It was more of a working vacation with his PNAC buddies at his side, likely. I recall when he was asked about it being out of Washington that month, he said they were planning how to market their 'product line.' That is, the Iraq War.

Yes, that puts me close to the camp that says he planned the war before 9/11, and I think the war was also planned at the secret energy summit that Cheney held right after they got into the White House in 2001. PNAC needed the cover of a Pearl Harbor event to ignite public outrage for their plan. I think that the Cheney types had the war planned for decades, just waited for the right time to get it going.

Unfair, perhaps. But I try to follow the money every time. I regard the Iraq war as the greatest money laundering scheme and the greatest transfer of wealth that has ever occured. We are afflicted with the pirate mentality of 'take the money and run' and the 'let the devil take hindmost' of the spoils left behind. JMHO.

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