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179. thank you. I must speak now.
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 11:03 AM
Sep 2014

if a 70ish year old in good health gets a flu shot, the next day is sick with bronchitis, five days later paralyzed on one side, it it a coincidence? doctor hollered it can't be from the shot because the symptoms would be completely different. so they refused to even see if they needed to treat for that. there was no recovery. it is my family and I will cry for the rest of my life whenever I think about it which is practically every day. I don't care to discuss it much here bc of all the rabid people who don't allow there to be another side of the story. julienne barre syndrome however you spell it matched the symptoms and it was treatable. it just tears my guts out to know I could not make the doctors do the right thing. I won't be going on with any arguing about it because it is hard to talk about and I don't particularly want anyone to know all about my personal life. prior to this, yes I was just opposed to shots but now I know firsthand it is not worth the risk for me. I don't get the flu and don't want to make anyone else sick but getting the shot and risk ruining my life a second time will not be an option for me. btw if you feel tingly and weird like you had a mini stroke after a flu shot, not necessarily the same day, I have also heard that story before, you probably were lucky it wasn't worse.

Exactly... hlthe2b Sep 2014 #1
Well said! MineralMan Sep 2014 #2
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2014 #3
No, I'm done reading unreliable websites forced to the top of search engines by idiots. Kurska Sep 2014 #4
"No, I'm done reading unreliable websites forced to the top of search engines by idiots" etherealtruth Sep 2014 #10
Yes spread it far and wide my friend Kurska Sep 2014 #36
Spread it like a disease... joeglow3 Sep 2014 #63
Let me guess - bunk from "Natural News." chrisa Sep 2014 #53
Just please, for the love of God, don't ask her to list her pet peeves about restaurant servers. Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #133
lol 1dogleft Sep 2014 #137
Du rec...nt SidDithers Sep 2014 #5
Absolutely! My brother is one of them. KitSileya Sep 2014 #6
But don't you dare call them idiots. Kurska Sep 2014 #100
I must admit this is one topic in which I give no quarter. KitSileya Sep 2014 #150
"I do not accept any non-medical reasons why people don't vaccinate their kids. "... SidDithers Sep 2014 #153
Yes, and I should have added the caveat "sound medical reasons" KitSileya Sep 2014 #180
Sadly, there are some who are ultra-religious who are anti-vacine chervilant Sep 2014 #163
Well said! Spazito Sep 2014 #7
The first time I became aware of the anti-vax movement Arugula Latte Sep 2014 #8
Thousands of lives actually Kurska Sep 2014 #118
du rec. xchrom Sep 2014 #9
K&R for science. nt TBF Sep 2014 #11
+A Brazillion! N/T Dr Hobbitstein Sep 2014 #12
Ain't that the naked (well, hairless) truth! ;-) n/t eggplant Sep 2014 #14
Better than just waxing over it... n/t Dr Hobbitstein Sep 2014 #20
Now don't get crotchety. n/t eggplant Sep 2014 #30
Be honest... Dr Hobbitstein Sep 2014 #39
Sounds like a hairy situation. riqster Sep 2014 #145
Don't expect altruism from anti-vax idiots. They are selfish and acting selfishly. nt TeamPooka Sep 2014 #13
Well said. To paraphrase Monty Python--anti-vaxers answer to the call kairos12 Sep 2014 #16
lol TeamPooka Sep 2014 #21
Sooooo stealing that..... nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #88
Conspiracy theories and paranoia stoke that impulse loyalsister Sep 2014 #22
My kids are adults now, BUT HockeyMom Sep 2014 #15
It's simple, if you're not a part of the solution then you're a part of the problem groundloop Sep 2014 #17
So your way is right and that's it? Reter Sep 2014 #154
The way that results in less people (and especially children) dying pointlessly is the right way bhikkhu Sep 2014 #185
"its the smart thing to do, and the right thing to do." Reter Sep 2014 #218
I don't think its elitist to say that a choice that protects oneself and others is a good choice bhikkhu Sep 2014 #224
I got a diptheria/perussis/tetanus booster a year or so ago. Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #24
I've been getting a flu shot every year ever since I moved into the apartment house where I live Louisiana1976 Sep 2014 #26
haven't had the flu in about 30 years HockeyMom Sep 2014 #27
Ergo polio is fake n/t Kurska Sep 2014 #33
DU rec GCP Sep 2014 #97
What exactly is wrong with a cold once a year? Reter Sep 2014 #156
What's wrong with not having a cold once a year? HuckleB Sep 2014 #212
Actually, forget I even said that, because you are mistaken Reter Sep 2014 #217
I never said they did. Nor did the poster above. HuckleB Sep 2014 #219
Yet you love smoking!! Makes a lot of sense. LOL! nt Logical Sep 2014 #42
If you get shingles, you *will* kick yourself for such an attitude. n/t X_Digger Sep 2014 #43
What does "have that right" have to do with it? Silent3 Sep 2014 #50
Failing to get your boosters makes you part of the problem. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #54
You have the right to be selfish, and to inflict horrible diseases on your fellow citizens, yes. riqster Sep 2014 #146
Here is a short article that is very informative about the statistics. gvstn Sep 2014 #18
I wasn't aware of that 8% threshold, thanks for sharing the link groundloop Sep 2014 #19
Interesting Separation Sep 2014 #25
Not true HockeyMom Sep 2014 #28
The religilous idiots (and those who do not understand herd immunity) KitSileya Sep 2014 #151
Agree. Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #23
Yeah, just as we ELDERLY are too HockeyMom Sep 2014 #29
" Don't get vax? Babies and Grandma will DIE." Um yes Kurska Sep 2014 #34
Babies do die, babies have died. Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #40
Perhaps it time that people stop bringing infants out into public places Tumbulu Sep 2014 #76
Totally right, that is much better solution than giving children vaccinations. Kurska Sep 2014 #98
I am not screaming, you are. And quite in effectively Tumbulu Sep 2014 #102
There wasn't a problem, before anti-vaxxers created one out of thin air and stupidity. Kurska Sep 2014 #103
the way to deal with "the current problem" is for people to vaccinate their children. Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #110
No no you see Kurska Sep 2014 #112
And it is gone. Kurska Sep 2014 #113
The other day I sliced my hand open fixing a rusty gutter downspout. Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #114
Good on you Kurska Sep 2014 #115
The problem did exist. The problem was that the old DPT vaccine actually did injure or kill pnwmom Sep 2014 #139
I think that you're talking about 2 separate movements. Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #142
But DUers often link this organization, founded in 1982, to the "anti-vax crowd." pnwmom Sep 2014 #164
NVIC is the granddaddy of ant-vax groups... SidDithers Sep 2014 #213
That's the subjective opinion of whoever wrote the WIKI article. But thank you, that is the point pnwmom Sep 2014 #214
It's the subjective opinion of Michael Specter... SidDithers Sep 2014 #216
I respect the organization that worked so hard to get the whole cell DPT vaccine replaced pnwmom Sep 2014 #221
I'm really sorry for your loss. KitSileya Sep 2014 #174
All of us siblings had bad reactions, so we were all getting half doses. pnwmom Sep 2014 #201
You are kidding, right? Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #108
and for those working parents...by all means, figure it out...hire a nanny Sheepshank Sep 2014 #175
cuz there were no diseases back in the day. mopinko Sep 2014 #178
First of all, it's never been the case that most parents could isolate their babies completely... LeftishBrit Nov 2014 #234
Pertussis immunizations... 3catwoman3 Sep 2014 #80
Thanks for the correction. Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #109
As a pediatric nurse practitioner... 3catwoman3 Sep 2014 #149
Fuck the elderly, they're old. Babies? Screw em, they're not people yet. X_Digger Sep 2014 #44
Because they do die if people choose not to get vaccinated. NuclearDem Sep 2014 #49
If nobody gets vaccinated, this is indeed what will happen LeftishBrit Nov 2014 #235
All posts like this do is drive people further into their entrenched positions Ms. Toad Sep 2014 #31
Vaccines are pretty damn simple. Kurska Sep 2014 #32
More of the same - and vaccinations are not as simple, from a scientific standpoint, Ms. Toad Sep 2014 #35
No actually they are astoundingly simple. Kurska Sep 2014 #38
That is one aspect of the issue. It is not the only one. Ms. Toad Sep 2014 #41
The only aspect and key part of the issue is if we don't achieve herd immunity people die. Kurska Sep 2014 #45
"legitimate medical reason" is not as well defined Ms. Toad Sep 2014 #47
The responsible decision on immunization is to get your kids their shots. Kurska Sep 2014 #48
Frankly, I expect this kind of binary thinking Ms. Toad Sep 2014 #55
The binary thinking is only coming from the anti-vaxxer idiots. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #57
You are also demonstrating a logic deficiency. Ms. Toad Sep 2014 #60
No, it is not binary thinking. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #69
You are creating two positions: Ms. Toad Sep 2014 #71
No, in this case there is NOT a range of positions. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #73
And ulcers are caused by stress. Ms. Toad Sep 2014 #74
Again, very well spoken Tumbulu Sep 2014 #82
Post removed Post removed Sep 2014 #81
.... Kurska Sep 2014 #107
And that post was hidden. alp227 Sep 2014 #116
Thank you for your service in keeping that kind of insanity off DU. Kurska Sep 2014 #117
Your dictatorial attitude is an absolute turn off Tumbulu Sep 2014 #79
Thank you. Ms. Toad Sep 2014 #84
We're seeing previously eliminated diseases spread like wildfire. Kurska Sep 2014 #85
You lose your audience when you write crazed posts Tumbulu Sep 2014 #92
People dying from anti-vax BS isn't crazed it is fact. Kurska Sep 2014 #94
No, your posts are crazed Tumbulu Sep 2014 #99
Well lets see Kurska Sep 2014 #101
Again, I repeat, if you cannot stop the name calling and offensive language Tumbulu Sep 2014 #104
So would you give your child all the recommended vaccinations if you had one? Kurska Sep 2014 #105
Not familiar with the promising comprehensive approach described in the Mumper study? Check it out. proverbialwisdom Sep 2014 #196
Top people HERE. (nt) proverbialwisdom Mar 2015 #236
If the audience comes into these threads suggesting "people should just keep their newborns at home Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #130
"then the audience is quite likely "lost" no matter what he says." JTFrog Sep 2014 #173
well, facts is facts. Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #182
Lol. JTFrog Sep 2014 #183
No, it has nothing to do with pet issues, it has to do with objective reality. Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #199
It's impossible to take you seriously anymore. n/t JTFrog Sep 2014 #200
I can live with that. Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #203
Bingo Kurska Sep 2014 #190
I feel the same way about misogynists. JTFrog Sep 2014 #202
The only communication that the anti-vaccination crowd would accept Bettie Sep 2014 #152
Exactly - No more eggshell walking to soothe the stupid. GoneOffShore Sep 2014 #225
So well stated, it is a real problem on is site Tumbulu Sep 2014 #78
So what are these other aspects you keep talking about? randome Sep 2014 #159
The current trend in medical thinking - particularly among rare diseases Ms. Toad Sep 2014 #170
the autism link was proven to be fudged research Drahthaardogs Sep 2014 #64
Did I say ANYTHNG about autism? n/t Ms. Toad Sep 2014 #65
YES Drahthaardogs Sep 2014 #209
Only in the same way I used the word to respond to you - Ms. Toad Sep 2014 #227
If you don't vaccinate your child you are being negligent. Kurska Sep 2014 #67
More binary thinking - and name calling. n/t Ms. Toad Sep 2014 #72
The world isn't flat either, demons don't cause illnesses and vaccines are safe. Kurska Sep 2014 #75
That kinda proves my point. Ms. Toad Sep 2014 #83
No medical treatment is 100% safe or effective. Kurska Sep 2014 #87
Your point about no medical regimen being risk free... 3catwoman3 Sep 2014 #155
Between 1986 and 2010 nearly $2 billion dollars were awarded to victims of vaccine injuries pnwmom Sep 2014 #168
Righteous!... SidDithers Sep 2014 #56
"Anti-vax is the climate change denial of the left." alp227 Sep 2014 #121
Do you have productive discussions with idiots who think the world is flat? Demons cause disease? X_Digger Sep 2014 #46
Those questions are well settled. Ms. Toad Sep 2014 #58
No, they are not 'not settled'. No more than Ken Ham's beliefs about young earth are 'not settled'. X_Digger Sep 2014 #59
Hmm...did you even bother to educate yourself, as I suggested? Ms. Toad Sep 2014 #61
<-- former nurse, public health worker, oncology unit staff, and medical equipment engineer. X_Digger Sep 2014 #62
I pointed you in the direction of one concern. Ms. Toad Sep 2014 #70
Umm, being immunocompromised qualifies as 'legitimate medical reason'. X_Digger Sep 2014 #208
An autoimmune diease Ms. Toad Sep 2014 #228
You are a rude poster Tumbulu Sep 2014 #86
I agree and am done responding to any of them. I have an autistic son and he has had all of his liberal_at_heart Sep 2014 #66
Agreed. Ms. Toad Sep 2014 #68
I grew up in polio times. FlaGranny Sep 2014 #147
People who ignore widespread scientific evidence deserve mockery Lee-Lee Sep 2014 #176
Excellent point Tumbulu Sep 2014 #77
Actually, it is binary. Barack_America Sep 2014 #140
First of all - it is not a side - it is a point on a continuum - Ms. Toad Sep 2014 #161
As an MD and a PhD, those "studies" are incredibly weak... Barack_America Sep 2014 #215
I knew you'd get crickets on that. GoneOffShore Sep 2014 #226
As usual, yours is a calm and reasonable voice. pnwmom Sep 2014 #141
Thanks. n/t Ms. Toad Sep 2014 #172
with you Ms. Toad Puzzledtraveller Sep 2014 #165
Hep B is one we delayed. Ms. Toad Sep 2014 #171
thank you. I must speak now. astral Sep 2014 #179
Thank you for sharing - Ms. Toad Sep 2014 #181
Is the name calling necessary? Live and Learn Sep 2014 #37
Sometimes you gotta call a spade a spade n/t Kurska Sep 2014 #106
You have a much better chance of getting your point across better Live and Learn Sep 2014 #122
There is a plethora of valid scientific literature. Kurska Sep 2014 #123
Sorry, shaming and shunning are deplorable tactics. nt Live and Learn Sep 2014 #124
Murder by means of bad information ought to be shame-able. n/t Kurska Sep 2014 #191
+1. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #157
For the greater good, let them die. Lost In America Sep 2014 #51
If only that were the case. Kurska Sep 2014 #52
Name calling like you persist in only erodes your case Tumbulu Sep 2014 #89
Anti-vaxxers are killing people Kurska Sep 2014 #91
And you think name calling is going to persuade anyone? Tumbulu Sep 2014 #93
Killing Kurska Sep 2014 #95
I regret that I only have one rec to give. beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #90
Your rude responses for the past 6+ years have not been helpful either Tumbulu Sep 2014 #96
This is a poor argument Scootaloo Sep 2014 #120
Oh brother. You rudely respond to my post to accuse me of being rude. beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #125
Oh, and I haven't been rude for 6+ years. beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #128
Pushing anti-science fictions is quite rude, too. And you've done that plenty. HuckleB Sep 2014 #220
I'll be the second on that. Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #111
Can you believe that person thinks I'm rude? beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #126
no no no, don't cry. Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #129
I never realized how insensitive science could be. beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #131
Science threads on DU are always fun. Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #132
Kurska, i have this policy... Scootaloo Sep 2014 #119
THANK YOU!! nt SunSeeker Sep 2014 #127
I am a vegan. Mostly raw.. Veganhealedme Sep 2014 #134
Hello Veganhealedme! beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #136
Thanks! Veganhealedme Sep 2014 #138
I don't eat red meat and many of my friends are vegetarians or vegans. Kurska Sep 2014 #189
Thank you. We had/have a whooping cough epidemic in California. JDPriestly Sep 2014 #135
Well done, thanks! And to those who feel you are being rude.... GoneOffShore Sep 2014 #143
Especially when a stupid idea has blood on their hands, such as anti-vaxx. Kurska Sep 2014 #188
We have a winner. blackspade Sep 2014 #144
Don't vaccinate... don't go to school. mwooldri Sep 2014 #148
NYC Measles Outbreak HockeyMom Sep 2014 #160
Many who disbelieve in vaccines also distrust schools so homeschool. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #162
So WHY did a vaccinated woman get measles HockeyMom Sep 2014 #169
It snowed yesterday in Canada...ergo there is no climate change Sheepshank Sep 2014 #184
NYC didn't think was no big deal HockeyMom Sep 2014 #192
Combo naturalistic/nirvana fallacy. NuclearDem Sep 2014 #193
You're still touting the fallacy that if not 100% effective, it's not worth it al all Sheepshank Sep 2014 #194
I don't know if I should even waste my time. Kurska Sep 2014 #187
Don't waste your time. tammywammy Sep 2014 #195
My kids lived too HockeyMom Sep 2014 #197
At what age would it have been acceptable for one of your kids to die from a preventable disease? Lars39 Sep 2014 #205
Are you against all preventative medicine? tammywammy Sep 2014 #206
If a parent refuses to vaccinate a healthy child than it is Peacetrain Sep 2014 #158
I have a question. Puzzledtraveller Sep 2014 #166
DU is heavily pro-vaccine. Vaccine truthers do and should have a hard time on this forum. Kurska Sep 2014 #186
Do we have a right to our own bodies? HockeyMom Sep 2014 #198
I contend Puzzledtraveller Sep 2014 #207
Belief? FlaGranny Sep 2014 #210
Or it could be that the anti-vaccine idiots are actually anti-science idiots. beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #222
You are so smart, damn, I wish I could have just a snippet of your grey matter. Puzzledtraveller Sep 2014 #223
Huge rec! mountain grammy Sep 2014 #167
Another problem to describe... freebrew Sep 2014 #177
I'm disorganized and never get appointments scheduled on time Bettie Sep 2014 #204
maybe it's just my district... freebrew Sep 2014 #230
That's not going to happen unless parents fail to have records transferred. HuckleB Sep 2014 #211
It happens all the time... freebrew Sep 2014 #229
No, it doesn't. HuckleB Sep 2014 #231
Okay, freebrew Sep 2014 #232
"All the time." Vs. "Never." HuckleB Sep 2014 #233
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