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Tommy_Carcetti

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53. Parubiy hasn't been a member of Svoboda in over 10 years.

Wed Sep 17, 2014, 10:38 AM

Sep 2014

So your claim that "Parubiy is one of the heads of Svoboda" is inaccurate/misleading right off the bat.

The truth as to the situation is far more muddier than the black and white picture you attempt to paint:

http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Alleged-links-to-neo-Nazi-groups-of-fighters-on-both-sides-of-Ukrainian-civil-war-374981

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Ukraine's former President &Prime Minister to formalize and strengthen alliance with Neo-Nazi groups [View all] newthinking Sep 2014 OP

And who's side are these guys supposed to be on? jwirr Sep 2014 #1

Is that a Rhetorical question? newthinking Sep 2014 #2

I am not sure what kind of question it is. There is some sarcasm in it but I really wanted to know jwirr Sep 2014 #5

I believe they are part of the Kiev Coup Government. The Neo Nazi party has been part of that sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #22

This message was self-deleted by its author NuclearDem Sep 2014 #26

This Bloc, Sir, Polls At About 7% The Magistrate Sep 2014 #3

Nope, that was just the polling for one group and when the various groups were more disparate. newthinking Sep 2014 #4

You Are Wrong, Sir: The Figure Refers To The Groupings The Magistrate Sep 2014 #6

No use newthinking Sep 2014 #7

True, Sir: Until You Can Demonstrate Grasp Of Facts And Logic, And Mature Understanding... The Magistrate Sep 2014 #11

You are saying newthinking Sep 2014 #14

+1 Union Scribe Sep 2014 #17

It is only stating the obvious. newthinking Sep 2014 #19

Well played, Sir nt independentpiney Sep 2014 #60

If you are that knowledgeable, why the rambling OP that does not prove its subject heading karynnj Sep 2014 #61

The neo nazis won 10% of the vote in Ukraine giving them a place in the Parliament. THAT sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #32

To Translate This Into Calm English, Ma'am The Magistrate Sep 2014 #36

You are obviously not familiar with electoral systems in Europe reorg Sep 2014 #41

The Threshold For Represntation Is Five Percent, Sir The Magistrate Sep 2014 #42

If the Americans are lucky reorg Sep 2014 #46

All that would be fine, if it was accurate. When people choose to take control of their own sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #69

Sorry, but its 7% too much. Xolodno Sep 2014 #8

If we had a parliamentary system in the US, white supremacists would poll higher than 7% MohRokTah Sep 2014 #9

See my post here Xolodno Sep 2014 #16

It would be more like if the Republicans openly supported KKK leaders and gave some of them newthinking Sep 2014 #20

...otherwise known as the Tea Party. NuclearDem Sep 2014 #25

you keep making that unsupported claim. Your premises appear to be little more than irrational guess LanternWaste Sep 2014 #37

Seven Percent Is Far From Dominance, However, Sir The Magistrate Sep 2014 #10

Sure... Xolodno Sep 2014 #15

If By 'Apologizing For', Sir, You Intend The Classic Definition Of 'Explaining' The Magistrate Sep 2014 #18

Here, For The Record, Is The Latest Polling Data The Magistrate Sep 2014 #21

The former PM and President would not be forming this alliance if they thought newthinking Sep 2014 #13

'Our guy Yatz'! Hard to admit when you are wrong, I suppose. I would rather have sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #33

Huge shock to see people excusing this. Union Scribe Sep 2014 #12

+1,000 n/t malaise Sep 2014 #35

I am curious why nobody has mentioned the "Iron Cross" that the former President and PM have on newthinking Sep 2014 #23

Doubtless It Means They Are Pawns Of Prussia's Kings, Sir The Magistrate Sep 2014 #27

Personal personal tusk tusk. newthinking Sep 2014 #28

Once again, we Jews are touched by this sudden concern about antisemitism in eastern europe. stevenleser Sep 2014 #24

Respect for the truth please. Antisemitism is lower in Russia than Ukraine and much of Eastern Europ newthinking Sep 2014 #29

As I said, we are touched by your sudden concern. I have other sources that show Russia is worst stevenleser Sep 2014 #30

I see you have learned to spin well. Not interested in dishonest discussion. Clearly newthinking Sep 2014 #31

Yes, multiple links with proof shows "I'm not debating honestly". Nice try, not stevenleser Sep 2014 #34

Perhaps we can hold in your favor that you didn't check your sources reorg Sep 2014 #38

You struggle because you are trying to adjust facts to fit your theories instead of vice versa stevenleser Sep 2014 #39

I note that you didn't answer my question reorg Sep 2014 #43

You yourself admitted you are struggling. As a result, your question doesnt make sense. nt stevenleser Sep 2014 #52

I am struggling to make sense of your posts, yes reorg Sep 2014 #57

Probably because I am neither an antisemite nor a Russian apologist like your other sources stevenleser Sep 2014 #64

I'll take your word for it reorg Sep 2014 #68

Given Your Defense Of 'Vineyard of the Saker', Sir, As A Legitimate Source Of Fact And Commentary The Magistrate Sep 2014 #40

Are you associating yourself reorg Sep 2014 #44

Put Bluntly, Sir, I Know You Have Defended That Blog As A Legitimate Source The Magistrate Sep 2014 #45

I have shown that you presented reorg Sep 2014 #47

For The Record, 'reorg' On 'Vineyard of the Saker' The Magistrate Sep 2014 #48

For the record reorg Sep 2014 #54

Do, Please, Continue, Sir The Magistrate Sep 2014 #56

You can debate this with the blogger in question reorg Sep 2014 #58

Nothing To Debate, Sir: He Is A Raving Anti-Semite, You Defend Him The Magistrate Sep 2014 #59

I linked a map and a video reorg Sep 2014 #62

And You Repeat Your Defense Here, Sir, Even As You Say You Do Not Defend Him The Magistrate Sep 2014 #63

loyal to the Kiev government with its Neonazi ministers, yes reorg Sep 2014 #65

To Call The Kiev Government A Nazi Government, Sir, Remains False To Fact The Magistrate Sep 2014 #66

Which the ADL and other Jewish groups says is a lie and Russian apologia. stevenleser Sep 2014 #67

Same here leftynyc Sep 2014 #51

The US does not have any moral authority to involve itself nationalize the fed Sep 2014 #49

Neither Does Russia, Sir The Magistrate Sep 2014 #50

Parubiy hasn't been a member of Svoboda in over 10 years. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #53

'Zombie Facts', Sir, Shamble Ever Onwards... The Magistrate Sep 2014 #55

kick. Thanks for posting. +1 eom Purveyor Sep 2014 #70