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In reply to the discussion: Ukraine's former President &Prime Minister to formalize and strengthen alliance with Neo-Nazi groups [View all]reorg
(3,317 posts)54. For the record
The part always left out in the quotes by certain posters (who are trying to deflect the discussion about fascists in Ukraine by making incoherent accusations):
(From directly above the blue print, link available upon request):
We declare that the world Jewish community, first: has nothing to do with Mr Kolomoisky, second: does not support (the actions) in Odessa, or Mariupol or any of those involved and expresses sincere sympathy. And third, says that if a Jew is involved in Nazi crimes, we will fight first him.
I find this very interesting because it perfectly illustrates something which I have been trying to hammer into the heads of the pathological Jew-haters out there for what seems like forever: YES there are Jewish oligarchs out there who are almost a perfect caricature of the loathsome Jewish plutocrat-thug and they are very bit as bad as the worst anti-Jewish propaganda likes to portray them. But NO, they are not typical of a Jewish community which is every bit as complex and diverse as any other.
I find this very interesting because it perfectly illustrates something which I have been trying to hammer into the heads of the pathological Jew-haters out there for what seems like forever: YES there are Jewish oligarchs out there who are almost a perfect caricature of the loathsome Jewish plutocrat-thug and they are very bit as bad as the worst anti-Jewish propaganda likes to portray them. But NO, they are not typical of a Jewish community which is every bit as complex and diverse as any other.
and, notably:
Personal announcement: dealing with Nazis and other racist trolls
With the recent sharp rise of readers of this blog (well over 1'000'000 visits in total and 10'000+ visitors per day) a equally sharp rise of Nazi and other racist troll clearly happened. My policy in the past has been to either crush their sophomoric and ignorant views by posting rebuttals, but now I simply do not have the time to play Kindergarten cop with these obsessive-compulsive Jew haters. And yet, I cannot simply censor their posts because that would contradict the core value of my blog - complete freedom of thought. This, of course, puts me in front of a dilemma: do I let these cretins pollute my blog, or do I give up on my ideal of freedom of though and speech? I wish I had a "virtual sandbox" were I could send these folks and let them play together, talking about Jew-this, Jew-that, Hitler-this, Hitler-that, but I don't have that. So what I propose to do here is to post a short appeal to them and to the rest of you, mentally sane and educated commentators, in the hope that this will help. ...
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.de/2014/03/personal-announcement-dealing-with.html
With the recent sharp rise of readers of this blog (well over 1'000'000 visits in total and 10'000+ visitors per day) a equally sharp rise of Nazi and other racist troll clearly happened. My policy in the past has been to either crush their sophomoric and ignorant views by posting rebuttals, but now I simply do not have the time to play Kindergarten cop with these obsessive-compulsive Jew haters. And yet, I cannot simply censor their posts because that would contradict the core value of my blog - complete freedom of thought. This, of course, puts me in front of a dilemma: do I let these cretins pollute my blog, or do I give up on my ideal of freedom of though and speech? I wish I had a "virtual sandbox" were I could send these folks and let them play together, talking about Jew-this, Jew-that, Hitler-this, Hitler-that, but I don't have that. So what I propose to do here is to post a short appeal to them and to the rest of you, mentally sane and educated commentators, in the hope that this will help. ...
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.de/2014/03/personal-announcement-dealing-with.html
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Ukraine's former President &Prime Minister to formalize and strengthen alliance with Neo-Nazi groups [View all]
newthinking
Sep 2014
OP
I am not sure what kind of question it is. There is some sarcasm in it but I really wanted to know
jwirr
Sep 2014
#5
I believe they are part of the Kiev Coup Government. The Neo Nazi party has been part of that
sabrina 1
Sep 2014
#22
Nope, that was just the polling for one group and when the various groups were more disparate.
newthinking
Sep 2014
#4
True, Sir: Until You Can Demonstrate Grasp Of Facts And Logic, And Mature Understanding...
The Magistrate
Sep 2014
#11
If you are that knowledgeable, why the rambling OP that does not prove its subject heading
karynnj
Sep 2014
#61
The neo nazis won 10% of the vote in Ukraine giving them a place in the Parliament. THAT
sabrina 1
Sep 2014
#32
All that would be fine, if it was accurate. When people choose to take control of their own
sabrina 1
Sep 2014
#69
If we had a parliamentary system in the US, white supremacists would poll higher than 7%
MohRokTah
Sep 2014
#9
It would be more like if the Republicans openly supported KKK leaders and gave some of them
newthinking
Sep 2014
#20
you keep making that unsupported claim. Your premises appear to be little more than irrational guess
LanternWaste
Sep 2014
#37
If By 'Apologizing For', Sir, You Intend The Classic Definition Of 'Explaining'
The Magistrate
Sep 2014
#18
The former PM and President would not be forming this alliance if they thought
newthinking
Sep 2014
#13
'Our guy Yatz'! Hard to admit when you are wrong, I suppose. I would rather have
sabrina 1
Sep 2014
#33
I am curious why nobody has mentioned the "Iron Cross" that the former President and PM have on
newthinking
Sep 2014
#23
Once again, we Jews are touched by this sudden concern about antisemitism in eastern europe.
stevenleser
Sep 2014
#24
Respect for the truth please. Antisemitism is lower in Russia than Ukraine and much of Eastern Europ
newthinking
Sep 2014
#29
As I said, we are touched by your sudden concern. I have other sources that show Russia is worst
stevenleser
Sep 2014
#30
I see you have learned to spin well. Not interested in dishonest discussion. Clearly
newthinking
Sep 2014
#31
Yes, multiple links with proof shows "I'm not debating honestly". Nice try, not
stevenleser
Sep 2014
#34
You struggle because you are trying to adjust facts to fit your theories instead of vice versa
stevenleser
Sep 2014
#39
You yourself admitted you are struggling. As a result, your question doesnt make sense. nt
stevenleser
Sep 2014
#52
Probably because I am neither an antisemite nor a Russian apologist like your other sources
stevenleser
Sep 2014
#64
Given Your Defense Of 'Vineyard of the Saker', Sir, As A Legitimate Source Of Fact And Commentary
The Magistrate
Sep 2014
#40
Put Bluntly, Sir, I Know You Have Defended That Blog As A Legitimate Source
The Magistrate
Sep 2014
#45
And You Repeat Your Defense Here, Sir, Even As You Say You Do Not Defend Him
The Magistrate
Sep 2014
#63
To Call The Kiev Government A Nazi Government, Sir, Remains False To Fact
The Magistrate
Sep 2014
#66