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68. Hi Violet...

I too have a question...

Have you bothered to read the hides...

here...this was hidden

Note that it is acceptable to blame victims

but not tell others their posts doing so are hurtful to survivors.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1255&pid=50576

oh wait another one!

If you "wonder"

Pick up a book on battered women (such as The Battered Woman). Educate yourself rather than wondering aloud and hurting people.

another

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130. In the Belle Knox thread, You told me you saw yourself as third wave

You said you took some quiz that identified you as such. You insisted I had no right to take exception to being called second wave or sex negative because you and the boys club decided that is what I was.

This is the precise text.

I don't see how anyone could take offense at that as the different waves of feminism have been discussed a lot in both feminist groups at DU. I did a quiz someone posted in one of the groups and it said I was a third wave feminist, but after reading about them all, I think there's bits of each that I agree with...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025366495#post148

Now you are offended by something you claim I have no right to be bothered by, even though you said you identified with much of the third wave while I said I did not identify with any wave. In one of my posts to Steve, I provided the exact quote of your assessment of the list, including your objection to identifying men and not women.

The point of the list was about misogyny. Yes, women certainly do engage in misogyny. Women engage in all of the points on the list above, including rape apology and some have even helped their male partners commit rape. However, I think it unproductive to target other women. Unlike you, I identify capital and patriarchy as the primary problems, not the existence of other women on the planet who dare to disagree with me. The fact is the prevailing idea among men on this site is to belittle women who do not see porn and prostitution as the highest form of liberty. But naturally what the dominant behavior is toward women doesn't concern you. Instead, what matters is that you claim someone insulted you at some point by saying you weren't a feminist. You seem to see the greatest form of oppression as coming from feminists who dare to disagree with you, demonstrated by the fact you seldom if ever mention sexism outside of attacking other women. While I don't succeed nearly as much as I would like, I try to avoid such pettiness, which is why I avoid conversations with you. Imagine if Gillard had stood in parliament and went on and on about how the other feminists she knew were responsible for misogyny and exploitation of women. She did not, since her goal is not to undermine women. You approach the issue entirely differently, which I find troubling.

That you think it appropriate to shame women's sexuality by calling them prudes only highlights your refusal to treat other women with the respect you demand for yourself. Calling women prudes is precisely the same as slut shaming and it serves to reinforce the notion that if women don't conform to men's desires their sexuality is deviant. I will link to a post I wrote about this early rather than repeating the same ideas. http://www.democraticunderground.com/125544521

Respecting women requires not shaming them for their sexuality or invoking sexual shaming as a way to punish them for raising issues, like human trafficking and child rape, that you resent having brought up. Because in point in fact that is what prompts women to be called prudes around here, it is the fact they care about broader social issues rather than expressing blind devote to the gods of free market capitalism. You aren't interested in hearing about entire populations of sex workers killed, about the enslaved, or children preyed upon and raped. You find their lives inconvenient to your neoliberal theories about "choice." To denounce those of us who do care about the poor, enslaved, and disenfranchised as prudes is incredibly insulting. That you do so while insisting misogyny is defined by what you claim some random feminist said to you shows the double-standard that you so often engaged in. You have gone further by shaming women's sexuality as a means of delegitimizing speech. But even if those women prefer to avoid sex, what business is that of yours? What makes you think you have a right to condemn other women's sexuality? The whole conception of prude defines women according to their sexual availability to men. The fact is a number of feminists are lesbians and have no sex with men whatsoever. That is their right, and to shame them for that is deplorable.

No one with a functioning brain stem would imagine all feminists or any other group of people agree on anything. So you go ahead and affirm a man's right to determine public discourse on feminism and silence speech he disagrees with. Frankly, given your track record I expect nothing else. I would never presume to declare you aren't a feminist, but I will say I find it difficult to understand an approach to feminism that targets women as the source of misogyny. While I agree women behave misogynistically, by for example shaming women's sexuality, the ultimate cause of that misogyny is patriarchy. You are entitled to your views, just as I am entitled to tell you that I find them destructive toward not only women's rights but human rights and equality more broadly.

It's quite clear we have radically different world views about feminism and capitalism. While you relish intra-feminist squabbles, I prefer to avoid them. I think they present a counterproductive view of women. For that purpose I request you leave me in peace.
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OMG! Violet! another

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7. Finally, something really important

more than a SCOTUS decision allowing discrimination against women in healthcare.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5204896
All four versions of the now self-deleted OP are here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025204896#post108
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Violet. I know you are a GD host. So those mild statements by BainsBane are okay to you to call out and hide? Are you serious!?

Bains made some light posts that were hidden. You seem okay with that. Yes the mild hides seem to be alert stalking.

Question for you and I would appreciate an answer. Are the OPS that call out the President of the United States a POS okay with you? Why did GD hosts not lock that thread?