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In reply to the discussion: Anti-vax asshat RFK Jr. on Dr. Oz, promoting his anti-vax asshat book... [View all]proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)198. Familiar w the following? If not, please investigate further including Youtube #hearthiswell (~340?)
Warning: Gratuitous image (fake 'fire' on pregnant abdomen) near end of 1:02 minute video. To avoid, listen to audio only.
CDC Whistleblower Dr. Thompson on Thimerosal and Pregnant Women
Published on Aug 27, 2014
Here's a glimpse into the backstory (with corroboration). Tip of the iceberg, obviously.
http://www.ageofautism.com/2014/08/our-story-so-far-both-mmr-mercury-laced-vaccines-cause-autism.html
(ignore the title)
By Dan Olmsted is Editor of Age of Autism
Posted by Age of Autism at August 28, 2014
...Thompson himself reported that he was under tremendous pressure to absolve thimerosal at all costs and run and rerun the analyses to remove the association between thimerosal exposure and tics.
Consequently, when the severely compromised manuscript was submitted to the New England Journal of Medicine for consideration for publication, it was soundly rejected with the following comments from the peer reviewers:
The manuscript was then submitted to and rejected by the Journal of the American Medical Association before it was finally picked up by the Journal of Pediatrics Psychology and was published in 2012.
(ignore the title)
By Dan Olmsted is Editor of Age of Autism
Posted by Age of Autism at August 28, 2014
...Thompson himself reported that he was under tremendous pressure to absolve thimerosal at all costs and run and rerun the analyses to remove the association between thimerosal exposure and tics.
Consequently, when the severely compromised manuscript was submitted to the New England Journal of Medicine for consideration for publication, it was soundly rejected with the following comments from the peer reviewers:
Reviewer 1: In this paper, the authors seem to be hoping for and wanting to demonstrate lack of relationships. When a relationship does emerge, the authors essentially downplay it, even though a) The authors argue for how strong the dataset is earlier in the paper and b) the authors explain why SEM is superior to alternative analytic techniques.
Reviewer 2: The authors conclusion that thimerosal is not a major causal agent for tic disorders (p. 13), is not in accordance with their own data. That is, it is not reasonable, on the one hand, to argue that the use of SEM reduces the probability of Type I error, and then, on the other hand, to ignore the one significant, positive finding because of the lack of biological plausibility of such a relationship.
Reviewer 3: In general, the arguments presented on page 13 that findings on the tic outcome variable were not seen as sufficiently persuasive to completely dismiss those findings. Only one citation is provided. Further, in the absence of complete heritability, evidence of heritability does not (as the authors seem to suggest), rule out gene-by-environment interactions or even direct environmental effects...If the authors are to convince skeptical professionals, parents, or public policy-makers of their point, they would be well-advised to address the purported mechanisms of effect that have been proposed.
The manuscript was then submitted to and rejected by the Journal of the American Medical Association before it was finally picked up by the Journal of Pediatrics Psychology and was published in 2012.
Related reframing: http://www.pressherald.com/2014/09/02/maine-voices-breakdown-in-accountability-at-heart-of-decline-in-vaccinations/
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Anti-vax asshat RFK Jr. on Dr. Oz, promoting his anti-vax asshat book... [View all]
SidDithers
Sep 2014
OP
Daughter of PBS journalist Robert MacNeil and mother of a child with autism (can't shut her up/down)
proverbialwisdom
Sep 2014
#69
The article links to this CDC webpage, please read it. It's factual, nothing objectionable there.
proverbialwisdom
Sep 2014
#112
Your continued support of a criminal and his agenda on DU is sickening.
beam me up scottie
Sep 2014
#131
Not up-to-date? No wonder, blame in-the-weeds material plus media's failure to inform the public.
proverbialwisdom
Sep 2014
#172
no, I asked somebody if it were accurate. Heavens to mergatroid on the hyperbole.
Voice for Peace
Sep 2014
#133
Fracking is also dangerous to the health of millions. Why won't any of you that
rhett o rick
Sep 2014
#185
Depends on the question. I would put people who still press the question of whether vaccines cause
LeftishBrit
Sep 2014
#152
Climate change deniers, Holocaust deniers, Birthers, people who believe ACORN stole the elections...
YoungDemCA
Sep 2014
#180
No problem. I hadn't seen it either until I followed Archae's link and looked around at some of...
xocet
Sep 2014
#22
Who ignores the effects of BPA and other cumulative toxins in food and other products?
Voice for Peace
Sep 2014
#44
Your post is a great way to defeat argument by authority. However, the letter's content is not...
xocet
Sep 2014
#136
not here to debate your point of view, or defend Dr. Oz, who has always given me the creeps
Voice for Peace
Sep 2014
#142
This is why the static Oz got from Congress was well deserved. What makes this even more of a white
still_one
Sep 2014
#7
i wish you were right, but you are wrong. posts on DU have reflected such views
still_one
Sep 2014
#146
Please review post 63. Of course, some would rather go blind than see but I hope you're smarter.
proverbialwisdom
Sep 2014
#186
I probably know 100 physicians personally, and every single one supports vaccination.
ColesCountyDem
Sep 2014
#19
The following graphic makes clear how current official recommended schedules are varied by country.
proverbialwisdom
Sep 2014
#70
You are not up-to-date. In addition to the sources below, look around for audio of #CDCwhistleblower
proverbialwisdom
Sep 2014
#63
NTSA? Let me guess from the source/context: "No Telling Stupid Anything?" Well, I disagree.
proverbialwisdom
Sep 2014
#102
1) #hearthiswell on youtube 2) that Baez song, Diamonds and Rust, 'Then give me another word for it'
proverbialwisdom
Sep 2014
#105
Kennedy calls world-leading immunologists "biostitutes", like prostitutes...
SidDithers
Sep 2014
#27
It will not happen on this website, I think there are too many insecure people here
Tumbulu
Sep 2014
#36
No I am not, and this is just the typical thing- lumping not approving of gmo's in
Tumbulu
Sep 2014
#177
So you admit abusing the alert system to push your point of view. Apparently you don't
rhett o rick
Sep 2014
#149
"but those who believe in vaccines are so terrified" "No arguments are ever won by name-calling."
Thor_MN
Sep 2014
#38
Respectfully, you are wrong: "There actually are plenty of studies showing that vaccines can be
FSogol
Sep 2014
#40
You may be correct about many or most anti-vaxxers, but not all are con men or grifters.
Voice for Peace
Sep 2014
#49
I agree but it's never an effective strategy to attack people in order to change their beliefs.
Voice for Peace
Sep 2014
#57
I don't know if there is or isn't. But there are legitimate stories of damaged children; and it's no
Voice for Peace
Sep 2014
#61
Ironically, its the anti-vaccination movement that refuses to have a real dialogue
YoungDemCA
Sep 2014
#182
You're more concerned with disproven claims of vaccine danger than REAL diseases that kill
Arugula Latte
Sep 2014
#200
Re: "dr" Oz: giving out suspect medical advice should not be allowed on tv
NightWatcher
Sep 2014
#41
You are asking a lot. It's so much more fun to get out tar and feathers than actually
rhett o rick
Sep 2014
#122
Regardless of an improbable autism connection, thimerosal does not belong in children's vaccines.
pnwmom
Sep 2014
#65
did your PHD tell you much mercury you inhale living downwind of a coal-fired power plant?
hobbit709
Sep 2014
#83
One wrong exposure doesn't excuse more -- especially one that's injected directly into
pnwmom
Sep 2014
#87
We don't eat any tuna around here, which is the fish most likely to have high levels.
pnwmom
Sep 2014
#155
I guess no one told you that pregnant women now take flu vaccines with thimerosol,
pnwmom
Sep 2014
#157
Excellent OP as always, Sid. RFK Jr. is a stain on the progressive cause. nt
msanthrope
Sep 2014
#80
I am glad you are so health conscience. How about fracking? Are you as passionate about
rhett o rick
Sep 2014
#96
Don't you agree that fracking is a very serious health concern? Or do you agree with Pres Obama
rhett o rick
Sep 2014
#103
Some feel better if they find someone to tar and feather and heaven help those that try
rhett o rick
Sep 2014
#173
just so there is no confusion, i completely support the use of asshat in this context
La Lioness Priyanka
Sep 2014
#191
Familiar w the following? If not, please investigate further including Youtube #hearthiswell (~340?)
proverbialwisdom
Sep 2014
#198
Then removal of thimerosal from children's vaccines 13 years ago should have affected autism rates
bhikkhu
Sep 2014
#199
It's crushing how misleading a single sentence can be, not to mention paragraphs.
proverbialwisdom
Sep 2014
#201
I cannot imagine disregarding the informed& unequivocal views of CDC scientist Dr William W Thompson
proverbialwisdom
Sep 2014
#205
I cannot imagine ignoring all the science leading away from the thimerosal/autism theory
bhikkhu
Sep 2014
#206
CORRECTION: 'Dr. William Thompson, a senior CDC researcher' 'senior scientist Dr. William Thompson'
proverbialwisdom
Sep 2014
#207
I wonder if he'd recommend "no" to an ebola vaccine to those in Liberia?
TexasMommaWithAHat
Sep 2014
#208
There aren't enough smilies to cover up how un-democratic character assassination is.
Octafish
Sep 2014
#215
If I posted every single time you tried suggesting a DUer was a paid operative
NuclearDem
Sep 2014
#243
Funny how the posters who cry "hero worship" anytime anything positive is said about Obama
zappaman
Sep 2014
#233