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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #57)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 01:21 PM

58. Sorry HPD, can't give you a link.

Your post # 50 is the # 4 result in hits on Yahoo for jrkcia (so I'm chasing our tail on-line on this issue), and Yahoo result # 3 is an amusing discussion from a dot com (called 'whose media' drums in the global village). Basically a fight between several high level 'panthers' with CIA ties -- Malik Shabaaz, Katherine Cleaver, Elaine Brown, Geronimo Pratt. Here's why I say that:

Post 31 on this site has a good link from the SPLC about Malik Shabazz, the fake new black panther. If you combine Dallas, Farrakhan' NOI, a designation as a hate group, and the repug effort to make these new paper panthers into a credible underground conspiracy (the point of the original post here), if you combine them all into one neat package like Shabaaz's outfit represents, you're looking at 'the government' and intelligence agencies, as well as repug campaign media propaganda efforts. 'The government' isn't just the Obama Admin, it's also 'old hands' who are holding power over the course of many presidential administrations.

The Cleavers' connections with the CIA are undoubtable.

Pratt took over the LA Panthers when Ms. Huggins' husband was killed by Karenga's United Slaves outfit. (Seale discussed Karenga's Los Angeles gas station venture as being backed by the Rockefellers in 'Sieze The Time'. CIA.) Newton didn't trust Pratt, and Pratt is connected to Ward Churchill(CIA) through 'Studies on the Left' magazine. Churchill is a 'professor' like Karenga (who used to be Ron Everett, before all his name changes.) 'Pratt and LA' is important because the Wiki info on Jay Richard Kennedy and Brown put them in the music business, and LA, at that time.

Wiki's Elaine Brown info has her moving to LA around '61, to be a pro songwriter, but she winds up working in a wise guy strip bar, and meets the CIA's Kennedy. It also indicates her cutting records for the Panthers in '68 and '73, but whether she recorded in LA or Motown isn't indicated.

Wiki of Motown shows they had 110 top 10 records from '61 to '71. They started moving to LA in '69, (after Bunchy Carter and John Huggins were assassinated and Pratt took over the LA Panthers) and Motown completed the move by '72.

I tried to get an on-line link for you on Kennedy and Motown, that avoids citing wiki and Brown's autobiography, since my caveat on 'A Taste of Power' started the whole original conversation, and I don't really like citing wiki. But I couldn't. I don't own the book, but read it from the library in '93. I dug up a hard-copy Essence Magazine article from Feb. of '93, that promotes her book (starts on p. 58), but she spends too much time bashing Newton in it, to mention her musical career and CIA friend Kennedy. I have an absract from New York Times Magazine for 1-31-93, page 20, by author Rosemary L. Bray, but no way to get the Times site to cough it up. It interviews Brown about her book, her early life in Hollywood, and her relationship with Jay Kennedy. Ms. Bray seems to be good, unlike Brown, and she used to edit the NY Times Magazine, but I can't get it on-line for you.

So to bite the bullet, all I can say it that Brown's 'Taste' discusses Kennedy more thoroughly than I can find available in internet sources. He went to Motown, or Motown came to him in LA. He was involved in representing acts, and on the business end of Motown, according to Brown. She wasn't blowing the whistle on him, she was discussing his accomplishments. That's what I remember about her discussion of Kennedy in her book, but my memory doesn't prove anything to you. When Motown got broke is a matter of individual listeners' taste. I think the complete move to LA killed it, but some good music lingered in Detroit and LA, even after that. Then those sparks faded too.


So to cut to the chase, I can't prove a connection on-line between the CIA's Kennedy and Motown, and must recommend Elaine Brown's book for further reference(!) Lifes a bitch, sometimes, I guess. I won't be re-reading it myself, because I disliked and distrusted Brown enough the first time around. I'm sorry that I couldn't get something credible for you as a link on-line, and hopefully I didn't waste your time with the long response.

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