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Sat Sep 27, 2014, 10:01 AM Sep 2014

Is revolution the only way we can elicit change? [View all]

After many discussions, a couple of polls and reading many responses to posts, it seems that the majority believe that to cause any real change we first have to remove money from politics and change personhood to mean only actual people.

However, it also seems that the majority of people believe that these two things cannot be changed while we live in the corpocracy / oligarchy we currently have.

That leads me to the question, is revolution the only way to cause change?

To clarify, I don't mean blood running in the streets. I mean, as Scuba said, "an awaking of the people and a political revolution"

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I used to hope so . . . Brigid Sep 2014 #1
Me too. marym625 Sep 2014 #2
Eeyup. hifiguy Sep 2014 #103
Your question is nonsensical unrepentant progress Sep 2014 #3
I do appreciate your input marym625 Sep 2014 #7
If you're talking about blood running in the streets, then my answer is "no". Scuba Sep 2014 #4
Yes, Scuba marym625 Sep 2014 #5
You're welcome. Scuba Sep 2014 #14
In the words of my one and only hero: 99Forever Sep 2014 #6
Love that! marym625 Sep 2014 #8
I thought you would. 99Forever Sep 2014 #112
Could it ever! marym625 Sep 2014 #122
He Was So MUCH More Than Many Of The Recent ChiciB1 Sep 2014 #171
We, fine lady... 99Forever Sep 2014 #173
Should Have Replied To You Sooner, But ChiciB1 Sep 2014 #202
Revolution is change, pretty much by definition... Wounded Bear Sep 2014 #9
my favorite comment on current marym625 Sep 2014 #10
Yeah... Wounded Bear Sep 2014 #11
The latter would be the apathy marym625 Sep 2014 #33
Respectfully, we do not know what Ghandi and King would say merrily Sep 2014 #81
Very true. marym625 Sep 2014 #105
I am willing to do that, but I am not willing to merrily Sep 2014 #110
I will have to look for the book marym625 Sep 2014 #116
I figured (as to GU). merrily Sep 2014 #124
Respectfully, their strategies came from the ideas they shared, rogerashton Sep 2014 #240
Very true marym625 Sep 2014 #243
I do not think predicting what people long dead, whom we never even merrily Sep 2014 #245
But we can learn from the ideas of our predecessors, and perhaps apply them. rogerashton Sep 2014 #254
Whether we can learn from our predecessors is a very different issue from merrily Sep 2014 #256
I believe you said rogerashton Sep 2014 #271
The one and only form of revolution that will bring results IDemo Sep 2014 #12
Good point marym625 Sep 2014 #15
We can pool our money and make our own noise. Baitball Blogger Sep 2014 #13
There was a group that actually tried to do that marym625 Sep 2014 #17
A mental revolution, or evolution at least. The system we have isn't too bad, but most citizens are Chathamization Sep 2014 #16
I have great faith in the upcoming generation. marym625 Sep 2014 #20
Yes, and perhaps that's why in the end evolutionary change will be more successful than Chathamization Sep 2014 #28
Very true. marym625 Sep 2014 #31
Yes, there is great hope in new generations. The older generations, for the most part, RKP5637 Sep 2014 #74
Some of us older folks marym625 Sep 2014 #76
I see in them some of the spirit we had in the 60's when hoping to RKP5637 Sep 2014 #86
ah that damn me generation marym625 Sep 2014 #98
No Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #18
There is always that option marym625 Sep 2014 #22
The Inca Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #24
That always puts me in mind of the song marym625 Sep 2014 #29
Had to YouTube it Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #32
Now I have to listen to it again marym625 Sep 2014 #34
Yes it was Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #35
Thank you marym625 Sep 2014 #36
Yes, most likely. I wish it wasn't so, but the ability to democratically determine our national Zorra Sep 2014 #19
Thank you for that we'll thought out marym625 Sep 2014 #25
PLUS ONE, a huge bunch! Enthusiast Sep 2014 #147
If the changes were possible through the political process... wundermaus Sep 2014 #21
awesome quote! marym625 Sep 2014 #26
Right on! Louisiana1976 Sep 2014 #85
I've lost faith in the electoral process. Will another president, another one after that RKP5637 Sep 2014 #104
exactly how I see it marym625 Sep 2014 #108
From what I see, DHS militarized the local police becasue they know there is so much RKP5637 Sep 2014 #118
I feel silly just saying yeah, I agree marym625 Sep 2014 #125
This is exactly the conclusions that I have been coming to. Bohunk68 Sep 2014 #158
what a thought! marym625 Sep 2014 #169
Sadly, I think this is quite possible, because it has become us 'vs' them. The military and RKP5637 Sep 2014 #172
I think revolutiin is prob. needed, hopefully a Gandhian Eleanors38 Sep 2014 #23
Very nice, Eleanor marym625 Sep 2014 #27
You are welcome. Eleanors38 Sep 2014 #30
Yes, and violent revolution at that. BKH70041 Sep 2014 #37
I appreciate your comment marym625 Sep 2014 #38
I added a 3rd option. eom marym625 Sep 2014 #40
If We Do Have One RadicalGeek Sep 2014 #39
I am not familiar with that marym625 Sep 2014 #42
agree marions ghost Sep 2014 #217
Yes, But RadicalGeek Sep 2014 #249
Some will lead marions ghost Sep 2014 #250
I should perhaps let you know RadicalGeek Sep 2014 #263
ha ha marions ghost Sep 2014 #272
As One Of My (more Conservative) Friends Would Say RadicalGeek Sep 2014 #274
True that marions ghost Sep 2014 #276
The Powers That Be are making peaceful revolution less feasible. Orsino Sep 2014 #41
judging from the votes so far marym625 Sep 2014 #43
have they tried that voting thing? pansypoo53219 Sep 2014 #44
Who is "they?" marym625 Sep 2014 #45
Violence will happen. ZombieHorde Sep 2014 #46
No doubt marym625 Sep 2014 #48
While Gandhi wasn't violent (except toward his wife) ZombieHorde Sep 2014 #50
yes marym625 Sep 2014 #52
Takes a lot of strength to peacefully stand up against violence, in my opinion. ZombieHorde Sep 2014 #67
I wonder if the rank and file marym625 Sep 2014 #72
I have no idea. ZombieHorde Sep 2014 #75
It will be a peaceful revolution marions ghost Sep 2014 #218
You are assuming there is a majority who want fundamental or radical change DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2014 #47
Not assuming anything. marym625 Sep 2014 #49
There are parties well to the left of the Democratic party on the ballot... DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2014 #53
That is truly one frightening thought marym625 Sep 2014 #55
I think most folks get along when things are relatively calm. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2014 #59
Not to the degree they do now marym625 Sep 2014 #64
We definitely cannot survive another 250 years like this... marions ghost Sep 2014 #219
nope marym625 Sep 2014 #223
Iphone 6 just came out Puzzledtraveller Sep 2014 #61
My gf has the Samsung 3. It looks nice. I don't have a flip phone but I do have a cell phone./NT DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2014 #63
I only recently got a smart phone Puzzledtraveller Sep 2014 #66
I have a slide phone. I don't even know how to text. LOL. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2014 #77
I agree completely Puzzledtraveller Sep 2014 #82
KY is a pretty culturally conservative state. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2014 #101
I got a Lumia 635 phone about a month ago. greatauntoftriplets Sep 2014 #78
Indeed Puzzledtraveller Sep 2014 #90
LOL. I had a doctor appointment about a week after I got the phone. greatauntoftriplets Sep 2014 #92
Revolution doesn't work agent46 Sep 2014 #51
yep. marym625 Sep 2014 #54
If you find a programmer that will work for free, pm me. merrily Sep 2014 #84
I will do that marym625 Sep 2014 #94
I have posted several times about how we could merrily Sep 2014 #113
sad isn't it marym625 Sep 2014 #119
I am going to check that out! merrily Sep 2014 #123
I posted something similar; there doesn't seem to be a good website for progressive organizing that Chathamization Sep 2014 #199
Exactly. Every idea I have that might have some impact merrily Sep 2014 #246
You mean, my life doesn't really depend on whether merrily Sep 2014 #58
Pfft! Enthusiast Sep 2014 #153
There is two prongs. Puzzledtraveller Sep 2014 #65
I agree and have cited those things myself. merrily Sep 2014 #156
Other: I am not at all sure that revolution would bring change, if we are merrily Sep 2014 #56
man am I getting depressed marym625 Sep 2014 #57
Another poster suggested massive civil disobedience. merrily Sep 2014 #60
Not the poll results marym625 Sep 2014 #68
But, some comments are saying there is stuff we can do. merrily Sep 2014 #70
Very true marym625 Sep 2014 #73
btw, I meant violent revolution. merrily Sep 2014 #91
He posted about 3rd response marym625 Sep 2014 #100
Yes, I saw his post. I still don't know. merrily Sep 2014 #102
ask him marym625 Sep 2014 #114
Overthrowing the oligarchy / military industrial complex would certainly help. Initech Sep 2014 #62
As it has been now marym625 Sep 2014 #69
How do you think you overthrow it, though? merrily Sep 2014 #71
prosecute the evil doers questionseverything Sep 2014 #79
With the exception of hand-counting our votes, you are talking merrily Sep 2014 #83
here is one evil doer we could get to questionseverything Sep 2014 #93
Okay, so Monday, then? merrily Sep 2014 #89
see my post #83 questionseverything Sep 2014 #99
Do you mean 93? I don't think finally impeaching one judge is going merrily Sep 2014 #106
yes 93 questionseverything Sep 2014 #109
I call it "in all likelihood, a one of." merrily Sep 2014 #111
we need to make sure it happens questionseverything Sep 2014 #117
I think most or all of DU knows about this case. merrily Sep 2014 #121
msm follows the net now questionseverything Sep 2014 #130
Yes, a mistake on the part of some here. However, that means only that merrily Sep 2014 #133
fuller is rove's guy questionseverything Sep 2014 #139
Obviously, I am in favor of impeaching and convicting Fuller. merrily Sep 2014 #143
prosecuting the evil doers questionseverything Sep 2014 #148
Yes, so does a bad judge passing away, but only if merrily Sep 2014 #151
We had our chance to prosecute the evil doers. Enthusiast Sep 2014 #150
Arresting the MIC for war crimes and holding our own Nuremburg-style trials. Initech Sep 2014 #88
I thought we were talking about what it takes on our part to effect change. merrily Sep 2014 #95
... questionseverything Sep 2014 #107
UofI territory marym625 Sep 2014 #127
yes not prosecuting the war criminals, torturers is his biggest failure questionseverything Sep 2014 #134
Doesn't the executive order marym625 Sep 2014 #138
hmmm which eo? questionseverything Sep 2014 #141
Sorry was looking for it marym625 Sep 2014 #146
ok the improper use of the westfall act by current doj questionseverything Sep 2014 #163
I believe it is marym625 Sep 2014 #165
scroll down to #34 questionseverything Sep 2014 #142
Thank you marym625 Sep 2014 #149
We let that bunch get away with so much during and after Iran-Contra. Enthusiast Sep 2014 #155
yes if we had gone up the chain of command then questionseverything Sep 2014 #168
As some responders have already pointed out rock Sep 2014 #80
My fear is.... marym625 Sep 2014 #128
We would need an extremely strong president, someone like FDR, but I've seen none. However, IMO RKP5637 Sep 2014 #174
so very true! eom marym625 Sep 2014 #177
That is a serious fear rock Sep 2014 #175
I am trying marym625 Sep 2014 #180
The thing is the "we" who have been trying are a tiny fraction of the population, and disorganized Chathamization Sep 2014 #203
It seems weird to say I am isolated marym625 Sep 2014 #204
It's happening slowly because so few people are working on it. It's like being in a group house with Chathamization Sep 2014 #208
Not advocating not voting marym625 Sep 2014 #210
Yes, it's not either/or. I'm just saying I'd focus more on what I see as the low hanging fruit. Chathamization Sep 2014 #212
see my reply marym625 Sep 2014 #226
It’s been a while since I’ve seen Eyes on the Prize, but you’re right, we should look at past and Chathamization Sep 2014 #275
I'm watching the entire series again marym625 Sep 2014 #278
Good point marions ghost Sep 2014 #220
I watched Eye On The Prize marym625 Sep 2014 #225
Civil disobedience IS the way to go marions ghost Sep 2014 #227
I remember this marym625 Sep 2014 #229
Absolutely marions ghost Sep 2014 #233
I think it was Montgomery marym625 Sep 2014 #234
I was so disappointed Occupy sputtered out daredtowork Sep 2014 #87
I agree. That was a hopeful situtation marym625 Sep 2014 #131
It got cold snooper2 Sep 2014 #261
What America needs is a socialist government. And unless we are lucky enough to find a Louisiana1976 Sep 2014 #96
Generally the democrats do not have the guts to stand up to the opposition! n/t RKP5637 Sep 2014 #115
Wouldn't that be WONDERFUL marym625 Sep 2014 #140
I like the word awakening. That has to happen first, on an individual level. Avalux Sep 2014 #97
Let's hope so marym625 Sep 2014 #132
I used to think so... kentuck Sep 2014 #120
What a horrible percentage! marym625 Sep 2014 #135
Yes. I have to say that I'm thankful for "Parks and Recreation", since it's apparently the reference Chathamization Sep 2014 #209
There's more than one way to accomplish change. craigmatic Sep 2014 #126
SCOTUS would certainly help marym625 Sep 2014 #136
It only seems like that because the system isn't designed to work. craigmatic Sep 2014 #166
only semi discouraged marym625 Sep 2014 #167
I am beginning to think so... awoke_in_2003 Sep 2014 #129
Yep marym625 Sep 2014 #137
It would be a revolutionary act to remove money from elections. Enthusiast Sep 2014 #144
I don't like it at all! marym625 Sep 2014 #152
I agree. Enthusiast Sep 2014 #154
This is a movement... marions ghost Sep 2014 #222
This HAS TO END! marym625 Sep 2014 #228
It is about convincing people treestar Sep 2014 #145
My uncle was a self made marym625 Sep 2014 #157
Very relevant post currently trending marym625 Sep 2014 #159
Yes, but not a political or economic revolution. Although those things, along with others 20score Sep 2014 #160
Very well said marym625 Sep 2014 #162
Any old change, or change for the better? Silent3 Sep 2014 #161
I assumed "for the better" was a given marym625 Sep 2014 #164
Think of the word "revolution" marions ghost Sep 2014 #224
Do you know what's scary? DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2014 #170
In the opposite direction? marym625 Sep 2014 #176
Them and their ilk would be running things instead of us./NT DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2014 #178
Ah! Thank you marym625 Sep 2014 #181
My vote is for General Strikes and Online Petitions to the Whitehouse NightWatcher Sep 2014 #179
General strikes marym625 Sep 2014 #182
It's an 'and' thing. mahina Sep 2014 #183
It very much does marym625 Sep 2014 #184
A Force More Powerful on youtube is in many languages mahina Sep 2014 #185
Thank you marym625 Sep 2014 #189
Those are just little clips. mahina Sep 2014 #191
Danes withdraw obedience from the Nazis, topple Nazi occupation with (mostly) nonviolence mahina Sep 2014 #186
Ghandi boots the British with nonviolence mahina Sep 2014 #187
A Force More Powerful and Albert Einstein Institution links mahina Sep 2014 #188
Thank you so much! marym625 Sep 2014 #192
;) Never surrender…never, never, never, never. mahina Sep 2014 #193
mahalo, mahina! and I won't ever :) marym625 Sep 2014 #195
Free downloads at the Albert Einstein Institution include "From Dictatorship to Democracy", mahina Sep 2014 #190
Síochána! marym625 Sep 2014 #194
195 comments and 0 snark! marym625 Sep 2014 #196
The powers-that-be are doing their damnedest to take away all the alternatives. Maedhros Sep 2014 #197
ain't that the truth! marym625 Sep 2014 #198
revolutions usually make things worse eShirl Sep 2014 #200
You're not the first to say that marym625 Sep 2014 #201
GOTR! whatchamacallit Sep 2014 #205
Sorry marym625 Sep 2014 #207
Get Out The Revolution whatchamacallit Sep 2014 #214
OH!! marym625 Sep 2014 #215
Evolutionary change doesn't exist. BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #206
You are not the only one that has pointed that out marym625 Sep 2014 #221
The window on that already closed BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #267
Well said. marym625 Sep 2014 #270
There will not be any revolution. If the present crop of Americans lived during... BlueJazz Sep 2014 #211
man that's just a scary thought marym625 Sep 2014 #213
I think you're wrong about that.... marions ghost Sep 2014 #230
There are many things I would love to be wrong about. BlueJazz Sep 2014 #237
Be the change marions ghost Sep 2014 #241
No AgingAmerican Sep 2014 #216
You and others marym625 Sep 2014 #232
We do it in the current system AgingAmerican Sep 2014 #262
Sorry, I wasn't clear marym625 Sep 2014 #264
Something really, really AgingAmerican Sep 2014 #266
That's exactly what I am afraid of marym625 Sep 2014 #269
We’re already 60% of the way there, with 13% coming up. Chathamization Sep 2014 #268
People need to wake up and vote for democrats! B Calm Sep 2014 #231
Post removed Post removed Sep 2014 #235
This message was self-deleted by its author marym625 Sep 2014 #236
Its a code hack Go Vols Sep 2014 #238
Thank goodness for techy people marym625 Sep 2014 #242
np Go Vols Sep 2014 #244
No link showing on my tablet. . B Calm Sep 2014 #239
Scuba's definition is a good one, but it would not be a revolution. riqster Sep 2014 #247
I don't think we've gotten that far marym625 Sep 2014 #248
Oh, sure. We need that to keep our rights from being further infringed. riqster Sep 2014 #253
When Climate Change can no longer be ignored, I think the populace will remember... randome Sep 2014 #251
What is so amazing marym625 Sep 2014 #252
Heading to Starbucks. Will ponder it over my $6 coffee. nt. NCTraveler Sep 2014 #255
Oh go for broke! marym625 Sep 2014 #258
A revolution would institute a 100% Libertarian oligarchy. If that's what you want, have at it. stevenleser Sep 2014 #257
Can you imagine marions ghost Sep 2014 #259
Not here. Not with the stand your ground crowd. They would shoot us for fun. nt stevenleser Sep 2014 #260
I don't ally with anyone marions ghost Sep 2014 #273
They had all the weapons marym625 Sep 2014 #265
Revolutions never result in the kinds of changes that are actually needed. GliderGuider Sep 2014 #277
You sound like my brother marym625 Sep 2014 #279
Sounds like you have a very thoughtful brother. GliderGuider Sep 2014 #280
It's definitely a compliment marym625 Sep 2014 #281
I have sisters, I know how that goes! GliderGuider Sep 2014 #282
LOL! marym625 Sep 2014 #283
Yep, like that! GliderGuider Sep 2014 #284
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