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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #22)

Wed Oct 1, 2014, 11:08 AM

24. Direct democracy: Open assemblies of citizens regularly debating and voting.

Now that we've cleared that up, let me reiterate something I said repeatedly in the OP, which you still clearly have not read:

Any objection you could make to the functioning of such (assemblies) could be planned against, if it's so obvious that it comes up in a conjectural conversation like this. And the problems that are non-obvious, finding those issues would be part of the benefit of the attempt - because they would represent new information, and give rise to new solutions. Moreover, the design of the mechanisms could be made flexible to deal with such unknowns.

If you think this is unclear, then I don't know what it is you're not understanding about the concept of democracy. I don't have to have a "vision" for what the assemblies decide to do, or the exact details of their debate and voting procedures to justify the inherent value and opportunity of the basic concept.

I don't have to know anything in advance about the logistics involved other than that it can be done, which we know because it was done thousands of fucking years ago by illiterate goat herders living in shitty hills in Attica surrounded by tyrants and oligarchs, and created the basis for all of modern civilization out of that environment. If you think it's impractical now, in the midst of a continent-spanning representative republic whose laws and economy fully allow it, then I don't know what logic and what planet you're basing that opinion on.

As for Portland, I don't know - never been there. Do Portlanders regularly meet in assemblies to debate and vote on matters?

And as for my "utopia," why can you not limit yourself to rational responses to what I actually say? These are not even radical suggestions. I'm talking about ordinary people regularly meeting, talking, and voting on stuff, and you react like this is 17th century France and I just suggested replacing the monarchy with anarcho-syndicalism. Is the sky blue out your window?

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