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Chathamization

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36. Telling that all the quotes are from ’05, since Greenwald has since said were uninformed and wrong
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 10:36 AM
Oct 2014

Greenwald on his old positions(and there's a link to this in the blog post, so people omitting it are being intentionally deceptive):

That was a 6 yrs ago: 3 weeks after I began blogging, when I had zero readers. I've discussed many times before how there were many uninformed things I believed back then, before I focused on politics full-time - due to uncritically ingesting conventional wisdom, propaganda, etc. I've written many times since then about how immigrants are exploited by the Right for fear-mongering purposes. I'm 100% in favor of amnesty, think defeat of the DREAM Act was an act of evil, etc. That said, I do think illegal immigration is a serious problem: having millions of people live without legal rights; having a legal scheme that is so pervasively disregarded breeds contempt for the rule of law; virtually every country - not just the U.S. insists on border control because having a manageable immigration process is vital on multiple levels. But that post is something I wrote literally a few weeks after I began blogging when nobody was reading my blog; it was anything but thoughtful, contemplative, and informed, and - like so many things I thought were true then - has nothing to do with what I believe now.


(And I thought Greenwald was awful because he always thinks he’s right and never admits mistakes…)

The funny thing is, I went back and looked at DU threads mentioned Greenwald between ’04 and ’08 (went through the first two pages of results). I didn’t find anyone criticizing him or calling him a libertarian at the time, most of the comments about him were praising him. It’s funny that he’s gotten more criticism for these positions after he stopped believing in them then he did when he believed in them.

Oh, the truncation you made here is also quite telling:

I'm also in favor of reeling in the painfully overbroad Commerce Clause, which more than anything else has enabled the Federal Government to stick its claws in things which were clearly intended to be reserved for the states


Full quote:

I'm also in favor of reeling in the painfully overbroad Commerce Clause, which more than anything else has enabled the Federal Government to stick its claws in things which were clearly intended to be reserved for the states (nobody speaks on that issue more powerfully, by the way, than former Vt. Governor and fervent States Rights proponent Howard Dean).


Huh, why would anyone cut off the very end of that sentence?
More from Glenn Greenwald: NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #1
Your obsession is adorable, Geek. Scootaloo Oct 2014 #2
You're denying the man has a dedicated fanbase and diehard defenders here? geek tragedy Oct 2014 #3
I don't think I've ever seen anyone call him "The greatest progressive ever to live." Scootaloo Oct 2014 #4
I'm a Greenwald fan but I have never seen anyone call him the Greatest Progressive to Ever Live Autumn Oct 2014 #5
I believe these to be Greenwald's quotes, but given your history, you need to provide a link. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2014 #6
All from glenngreenwald.blogspot.com geek tragedy Oct 2014 #10
From the world's greatest progressive ever Capt. Obvious Oct 2014 #17
I was expecting E.V. Debbs, and all I got was Grernwald? Eleanors38 Oct 2014 #7
Careful, lest you descend into self-parody. scarletwoman Oct 2014 #8
DU rec... SidDithers Oct 2014 #9
Is there a link so I can make sense of the points in this OP? freshwest Oct 2014 #11
All are direct quotes from Greenwald from geek tragedy Oct 2014 #14
Interesting And Instructive, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2014 #12
Yes, It has been obvious to all non-Greenwald Fanboys what he was about from the beginning, sir stevenleser Oct 2014 #15
'Negative Nationalism', Sir, Is A Nice Phrase The Magistrate Oct 2014 #23
Is 'Negative Nationalism' similiar to this? freshwest Oct 2014 #26
Partially, yes. Orwell's full notes on nationalism where he describes negative nationalism stevenleser Oct 2014 #28
Thanks very much, I will search out all on that link to define this better for myself. freshwest Oct 2014 #29
Yep, it’s very telling. Chathamization Oct 2014 #34
If Governor Dean Said Anything Approximating That, Sir, He Was Wrong The Magistrate Oct 2014 #35
Not just wrong, it would mean Dean was furthering “the great project of the modern right” and Chathamization Oct 2014 #37
That Would Be The Effect, Sir, Viewed Coldly, If Any Action Were Taken On The Proposition The Magistrate Oct 2014 #38
Right, so Dean’s exempt from the “right-wing libertarian” label because he isn’t anti-war. Chathamization Oct 2014 #42
You Can Say Whatever You Want, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2014 #44
And we're back to throwing around falsehoods about Greenwald it seems Chathamization Oct 2014 #50
You Prove Nothing, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2014 #52
Of course Greenwald's endorsement of multiple Democrats and praise of Obama doesn't matter to you Chathamization Oct 2014 #54
O/U for Rec's for this thread is 23.5 - 12 hour limit Capt. Obvious Oct 2014 #13
I think that is right for several reasons stevenleser Oct 2014 #16
Obsess much? Savannahmann Oct 2014 #18
Damn! hootinholler Oct 2014 #21
Actually no. He and Snowden didn't tell the truth about the NSA. stevenleser Oct 2014 #24
Pfui Savannahmann Oct 2014 #30
I've debunked all of that before. Here and now we have a chance to see what Greenwald and Snowden stevenleser Oct 2014 #31
You've debunked exactly nothing, and neither has been caught in a lie DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2014 #32
I have multiple times. And now we have an opportunity to see more of what they are about. stevenleser Oct 2014 #33
Thank you. Well said. nt elias49 Oct 2014 #53
Bullshit! hootinholler Oct 2014 #19
Other famous quotes by progressive thinkers Ichingcarpenter Oct 2014 #20
I was riffing off the greatest progressive to ever live hootinholler Oct 2014 #22
Yes, I did. I was under the influence of drugs at the time. randome Oct 2014 #25
It's nice to have a hobby. nt Union Scribe Oct 2014 #27
Telling that all the quotes are from ’05, since Greenwald has since said were uninformed and wrong Chathamization Oct 2014 #36
Howard Dean wanted the SCOTUS to gut Obamacare. geek tragedy Oct 2014 #39
You should start threads attacking Howard Dean Capt. Obvious Oct 2014 #40
You May Be Over-Stating There A Bit, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2014 #45
Governor Dean expressed hope the mandate geek tragedy Oct 2014 #46
Like Some Others, Sir, He Seemed To Think That A Step Towards Making Single-Payer Viable Politically The Magistrate Oct 2014 #47
No doubt our totally non-libertarian friend was seeking to gild his own geek tragedy Oct 2014 #48
I'd say the onus is on the person digging up the 9 year old comment to: 1. Not truncate it in an Chathamization Oct 2014 #49
Mischaracterization And Praise, Sir, Are Different Things The Magistrate Oct 2014 #51
Do you have ANY evidence that "He mis-characterized Gov. Dean, in an attempt to make his own views Chathamization Oct 2014 #56
There Is No Evidence, Sir, For Describing Gov. Dean As A 'Fervent Proponent Of State's Rights' The Magistrate Oct 2014 #57
Very few people....... NCTraveler Oct 2014 #41
kick Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #43
All hail Glenn Greenwald Cali_Democrat Oct 2014 #58
K&R Cali_Democrat Oct 2014 #55
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