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True Blue Door

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20. The current state of Islam in the most liberal Muslim-majority country (Turkey)
Sun Oct 5, 2014, 03:42 PM
Oct 2014

is conservative by the standards of liberal democracy, so it's not a broad brush at all. And the "moderate" Islam consists of countries where apostasy and blasphemy merely lead to jail rather than execution, which would obviously be a radically right-wing position in any liberal democracy.

I think you make some good points but you detract from your own argument cali Oct 2014 #1
The current state of Islam in the most liberal Muslim-majority country (Turkey) True Blue Door Oct 2014 #20
oh please. First of all, you're wrong. secondly, did you know that Tunisia, for instance, cali Oct 2014 #25
Iran also has parliamentary gender quotas. True Blue Door Oct 2014 #36
+1 cheapdate Oct 2014 #60
-1. nt arthritisR_US Oct 2014 #154
+1 more. nt joeglow3 Oct 2014 #177
"There is no ethical option cheapdate Oct 2014 #183
Your absolutely right. My knee jerk reaction was arthritisR_US Oct 2014 #187
Great point. Marr Oct 2014 #119
Anyplace where phony crimes like "blasphemy" and "apostasy" exist hifiguy Oct 2014 #169
+10 demosincebirth Oct 2014 #203
And conveniently ignored your question about Indonesia. n/t Turborama Oct 2014 #107
The question was an attempt to change the subject. True Blue Door Oct 2014 #121
No, it was a question about the largest Muslim majority country in the world. Turborama Oct 2014 #137
***THREAD DEAD?*** These +++FACTS+++ go against Mahers point IMHO uponit7771 Oct 2014 #195
You introduce a strawman (moving to another "moderate" Islam country) to the issues of moderat Islam uponit7771 Oct 2014 #197
Sharia law is spreading in Indonesia. In one province it mr_liberal Oct 2014 #135
No, it isn't. There is no stoning in Indonesia. There are no Sharia courts outside Aceh Turborama Oct 2014 #139
Youre being defensive. mr_liberal Oct 2014 #140
Can you read? I said there are no Sharia courts outside Aceh, which is a tiny part of Indonesia. Turborama Oct 2014 #141
There are 5 million people in Aceh mr_liberal Oct 2014 #143
Women can be theocratic too. eom mr_liberal Oct 2014 #133
Well said. Affleck is a smart, terrific liberal, but Maher was right this time. valerief Oct 2014 #2
Indeed, the Hobby Lobby ruling smells like a harbinger. True Blue Door Oct 2014 #22
Mayer wants religion abolished. He is just as extreme as religious extremists. liberal_at_heart Oct 2014 #3
Did Mayer say he wanted religion abolished? ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #4
I watched Religulous. He makes it pretty clear he wants religion abolished, and I do not think liberal_at_heart Oct 2014 #6
Been a while since I saw that movie, ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #7
I watched with my daughter because she is atheist. She thinks he goes too far as well. liberal_at_heart Oct 2014 #14
So there isn't any real evidence Mayer wants religion abolished, ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #16
I got the same take-away from Religulous as you. cheapdate Oct 2014 #63
Of course-- but that doesn't mean you have to respect their beliefs. Marr Oct 2014 #124
Maher. nt tblue37 Oct 2014 #128
Just an fyi, it's "Maher" not "Mayer". smirkymonkey Oct 2014 #77
Maher. nt tblue37 Oct 2014 #127
Maher. nt tblue37 Oct 2014 #126
Oops. :) nt ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #129
Lies breed ... GeorgeGist Oct 2014 #5
"He is just as extreme as religious extremists." sagat Oct 2014 #8
Has Bill Maher killed anyone, raped anyone, or denied someone rights for his lack of religion? Shoulders of Giants Oct 2014 #17
+1 valerief Oct 2014 #59
But, unlike the religious zealots who slaughter in the name of their own particular brand Arugula Latte Oct 2014 #66
I've never heard him say anything of the sort. True Blue Door Oct 2014 #23
Abolished? Really? Silent3 Oct 2014 #51
Maher. nt tblue37 Oct 2014 #125
He doesnt want religion abolished. mr_liberal Oct 2014 #136
+2! LukeFL Oct 2014 #206
Does Maher advocates the murder of people skepticscott Oct 2014 #200
Which Liberals is Maher talking about? JaneyVee Oct 2014 #9
What are you referring to? True Blue Door Oct 2014 #24
But no liberals condone the extremist ideology or actions. JaneyVee Oct 2014 #26
Theocracy is not an extremist opinion in the Islamic world. True Blue Door Oct 2014 #39
There's no "Islamic world" YoungDemCA Oct 2014 #83
Islam believes in the Islamic world. It has a specific Koranic term for it. True Blue Door Oct 2014 #87
Yes they do.... AnalystInParadise Oct 2014 #145
Strongly agree with Affleck on this point and disagree with You, Maher, Sam Harris 2banon Oct 2014 #10
And yet our extemeists are not allowed to do the things you say they would do. Other people Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #15
And yet those extremists had little influence CJCRANE Oct 2014 #32
You have a point about Iraq, but our intervention in Libya True Blue Door Oct 2014 #41
How did Syria fall victim to ISIS? CJCRANE Oct 2014 #44
We failed to support the rebels earlier, so they had to turn to uglier elements. True Blue Door Oct 2014 #49
That didn't work in Libya CJCRANE Oct 2014 #53
Again, all we did in Libya was stop Gaddafi from massacring his people from the air. True Blue Door Oct 2014 #54
That was the cover story. CJCRANE Oct 2014 #55
That's a nonsensical conspiracy theory straight out of a Tea Party conference. True Blue Door Oct 2014 #57
Which groups did our allies support in Syria? CJCRANE Oct 2014 #64
What are you talking about? True Blue Door Oct 2014 #96
Look up Biden's speech at Harvard the other day. CJCRANE Oct 2014 #159
Nonsense, we took part in regime change. I suppose you ould claim that in order to Vattel Oct 2014 #112
Fundamentalism is almost always a response to rapid change cheapdate Oct 2014 #65
Reactions aren't multi-generational, so I doubt that applies here. True Blue Door Oct 2014 #70
Changes to the social order in the Gulf States have been recent, cheapdate Oct 2014 #74
I agree that the jihadis are a reaction, but conservative Islam is mainstream. True Blue Door Oct 2014 #100
precisely; the entire curve is shifted toward extremism in the islamic world. that is what i TheFrenchRazor Oct 2014 #153
The key word in your statement is "here." True Blue Door Oct 2014 #28
I've just re-read your OP, I didn't read it carefully the first time, my apology 2banon Oct 2014 #37
Yes, I think we basically agree. True Blue Door Oct 2014 #42
So AnalystInParadise Oct 2014 #146
AMEN AND AMEN!!! uponit7771 Oct 2014 #188
Two wrongs don't make it right Ampersand Unicode Oct 2014 #207
Wow... Rhinodawg Oct 2014 #209
Let me clarify Ampersand Unicode Oct 2014 #212
Excellent Post 2banon Oct 2014 #219
this is correct nt Dreamer Tatum Oct 2014 #11
Agree with you and Maher PAProgressive28 Oct 2014 #12
Ben is an international film star whose massive income depends on investment from and box office Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #13
Bull... joeybee12 Oct 2014 #19
What I said is absolutely factual. International film is all about pleasing internatinal viewers. Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #30
Maher is homophobic? leftynyc Oct 2014 #155
oh please, the religion you are sticking up for is what is homophobic. m-lekktor Oct 2014 #196
That might explain it if he were timidly PC just to avoid controversy True Blue Door Oct 2014 #29
Get a clue...blanket condemnation of any religion is bigotry... joeybee12 Oct 2014 #18
No it's not. Religions are based upon fairy tails. totodeinhere Oct 2014 #40
+1 uponit7771 Oct 2014 #189
I agree customerserviceguy Oct 2014 #21
If all Muslims are bad how did the world produce Rumi? liberal_at_heart Oct 2014 #27
You need to work on reading comprehension. True Blue Door Oct 2014 #31
Actually that was more of a response to the many responses in this thread that imply that liberal_at_heart Oct 2014 #35
Many of us want to see religion disappear from the free and voluntary decision of individuals True Blue Door Oct 2014 #43
That includes Judaism, right? whatchamacallit Oct 2014 #168
It would, because anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitism Ampersand Unicode Oct 2014 #211
Nobody said all Muslims were bad. Not even close. arcane1 Oct 2014 #33
Even a broken clock is right twice a day AnalystInParadise Oct 2014 #147
"the only way to change that is to confront it - not be morally relativistic." Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2014 #34
Timid people exist, and always will. True Blue Door Oct 2014 #45
But they claim that is where they are at their finest.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2014 #86
Liberal parties are always bound to attract more than our fair share of squishy people. True Blue Door Oct 2014 #102
These type of Dems DON'T though. They try to claim the attacks are all in your mind. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2014 #113
Some of them live in a perpetual state of Stockholm Syndrome because of their weakness. True Blue Door Oct 2014 #117
Those types also are satisfied with losing. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2014 #138
Bill Mahr needs to lay off the WEED, penndragon69 Oct 2014 #38
How is he "out of line" here? True Blue Door Oct 2014 #46
So we as liberals easily point out the beheadings in Saudi Arabia. Lobo27 Oct 2014 #47
Saudi Arabia is a stain on the Earth. True Blue Door Oct 2014 #50
If nothing else Bill Maher has brought up an important discussion- KrazyinKS Oct 2014 #48
I think Islam has some basic structural flaws in its moral framework. True Blue Door Oct 2014 #52
I teach a lot of students from overseas CJCRANE Oct 2014 #75
So if 60% of your students voted to kill one of your other students for abandoning Islam... True Blue Door Oct 2014 #81
Brilliant Stuff - TBD Joe Turner Oct 2014 #105
Only if you admire flagrant bigotry and disinformation CrawlingChaos Oct 2014 #116
What, precisely, was flat-out bullshit? /nt Marr Oct 2014 #130
Are you kidding me? The whole thread reads like Pamela Gellar Lite! CrawlingChaos Oct 2014 #160
I completely agree with this analysis. n/t Turborama Oct 2014 #163
I notice you didn't actually cite anything. Marr Oct 2014 #164
Yes by all means AnalystInParadise Oct 2014 #148
I have no formal training outside of physical sciences, I just like to read and think. True Blue Door Oct 2014 #179
Care to back up your argument? leftynyc Oct 2014 #156
Post removed Post removed Oct 2014 #56
Damn you really got Maher wheniwasincongress Oct 2014 #62
+1. Good arguments. cheapdate Oct 2014 #58
Maher begins with the fucked-up belief... Darkhawk32 Oct 2014 #61
He challenges the tenets of Islam. Its a fair challenge. cheapdate Oct 2014 #68
Really listen to what they said... Darkhawk32 Oct 2014 #69
Did you read the poll I described in the OP? True Blue Door Oct 2014 #71
Yes, but even if all of that were true.... Darkhawk32 Oct 2014 #72
LOL! So your defense of Islamic theocracy is that the oppression is limited to other Muslims? True Blue Door Oct 2014 #84
No, but the tenet of Maher's argument is that they all want to fucking kill us. Darkhawk32 Oct 2014 #85
That's your straw man, not his position. True Blue Door Oct 2014 #89
The words came out of his mouth. Darkhawk32 Oct 2014 #90
When? True Blue Door Oct 2014 #97
what happened when elections were held in Egypt again? snooper2 Oct 2014 #174
...as an expert of Islam? NO!! by some shit he heard on TV uponit7771 Oct 2014 #191
+1, same can be said about any religion... uponit7771 Oct 2014 #190
I agree that criticizing a belief system is not the same as criticizing a group of people Arugula Latte Oct 2014 #67
Yes, but it's a question of scale and relevance. True Blue Door Oct 2014 #73
I'm wondering how many Muslims you've met. CJCRANE Oct 2014 #76
I certainly haven't met as many as responded to the Washington Post poll. True Blue Door Oct 2014 #78
Hundreds and hundreds AnalystInParadise Oct 2014 #150
Fair enough. But I find it interesting that the GOP is modeling itself CJCRANE Oct 2014 #161
I live in an area that has a fairly significant Hassidic Jewish population. Arugula Latte Oct 2014 #92
The lifestyle is similar, but Hasidic Judaism's attitude toward apostasy True Blue Door Oct 2014 #98
Neither Chasidic Jews leftynyc Oct 2014 #157
The trouble is, it's far too easy to slip into the "All Muslims" line of thinking Scootaloo Oct 2014 #79
Bingo! Read my reply in this thread. I think we're on the same page here. n/t Darkhawk32 Oct 2014 #91
Hence the distinction between Islam and Muslims. True Blue Door Oct 2014 #93
What distinction? Scootaloo Oct 2014 #108
his problem is that he paints all Muslims with the same brush. hrmjustin Oct 2014 #80
Oh great, another Islam-bashing thread YoungDemCA Oct 2014 #82
Oh great, another "tl;dr but here's my opinion anyway" comment. True Blue Door Oct 2014 #94
Well, it IS DU, after all. Scootaloo Oct 2014 #109
No, it's not new. It's been going on for a while and got worse since DU3's "no rules" policy came in Turborama Oct 2014 #111
Well AnalystInParadise Oct 2014 #151
When Bill Mahar and Rush Limbaugh share a talking point... bobclark86 Oct 2014 #88
Don't post lies in my thread. True Blue Door Oct 2014 #95
ooh, soo sorry... bobclark86 Oct 2014 #99
Grow up. True Blue Door Oct 2014 #103
How about you learn... bobclark86 Oct 2014 #106
LOL! Turborama Oct 2014 #142
Right, he's just said a majority of Muslims are fanatical extremists YoungDemCA Oct 2014 #132
Well AnalystInParadise Oct 2014 #152
Yeap, our western polls taken in their countries about their religion say they hate us... ok... uponit7771 Oct 2014 #193
+1 uponit7771 Oct 2014 #192
I'd buy Maher's point NuclearDem Oct 2014 #101
The only reason Israel is important is that Muslims obsess on it. True Blue Door Oct 2014 #110
As do many Americans, no? mr blur Oct 2014 #198
Sure, in reaction. But the source of the obsession is within the ME itself. True Blue Door Oct 2014 #199
So because he has a blind spot leftynyc Oct 2014 #158
No. I'd actually take him seriously if he applied his standards equally. NuclearDem Oct 2014 #165
Let me get this straight leftynyc Oct 2014 #167
No, but thanks for trying. NuclearDem Oct 2014 #172
Except it's not religion leftynyc Oct 2014 #173
And Hamas firing rockets into Israel NuclearDem Oct 2014 #175
Yawn leftynyc Oct 2014 #176
oh bullshit!! Israel has done nothing but expand and expand and expand its settlements Douglas Carpenter Oct 2014 #182
Your cut and paste job leftynyc Oct 2014 #184
I'm not claiming anything nice about Hamas Douglas Carpenter Oct 2014 #185
+INFINITY! (nt) LostOne4Ever Oct 2014 #201
How do you propose we confront it? Hippo_Tron Oct 2014 #104
We (as in we right here) can confront it by acknowledging it and not shying away from the subject True Blue Door Oct 2014 #115
The only two theocracies in the world are Iran and Vatican City. kwassa Oct 2014 #114
Thank you, I was getting short on my pedantry quota. True Blue Door Oct 2014 #118
It isn't common sense, it is bullshit. You don't get to make up your own definitions. kwassa Oct 2014 #120
What term would you use for states that murder people for criticizing religion? True Blue Door Oct 2014 #122
Intolerant. Murderous. kwassa Oct 2014 #131
Those are adjectives. True Blue Door Oct 2014 #181
Maher and Ben both robthesocialist Oct 2014 #123
"nihilistic PC priesthood"? rug Oct 2014 #134
IMO, Religion at times brings the worst in people. Lobo27 Oct 2014 #144
Bill is a hypocrite Hari Seldon Oct 2014 #149
+1, cause Christian crap don't stink to some... Also, he's giving Chrisitians a time limit as if uponit7771 Oct 2014 #194
"because it's theocracy" Android3.14 Oct 2014 #162
I agree with TBD and Bill Maher. yallerdawg Oct 2014 #166
Apostasy EX500rider Oct 2014 #170
Ugh. I hate that fact... riderinthestorm Oct 2014 #178
Maher has the better of the argument. hifiguy Oct 2014 #171
I think the 1st mistake is assuming all religions are equal.. EX500rider Oct 2014 #180
I completely agree with Maher. nt Sarah Ibarruri Oct 2014 #186
I was not gonna rec this due to Bill's Blinders when it come to Isreal LostOne4Ever Oct 2014 #202
I seen the show and I, totally, agree with Maher. I can't understand why some, here demosincebirth Oct 2014 #204
+infinity Ampersand Unicode Oct 2014 #215
Nice articulate post. I agree with all you said, but many ultra-liberals here will read the demosincebirth Oct 2014 #217
I feel the same way as you do. eom grossproffit Oct 2014 #216
I'm with LostOne4Ever on this. beam me up scottie Oct 2014 #205
But there is no single "Islam". CJCRANE Oct 2014 #208
Maher has the "right" to tell anyone anything. Ampersand Unicode Oct 2014 #213
Good point. But it reinforces my point that it's just opinion. There is no single definition. CJCRANE Oct 2014 #214
Ah...no Mister Nightowl Oct 2014 #210
Bill IS right. I've studied this formally and informally for at least twenty years. One doesn't have ancianita Oct 2014 #218
Indeed. I'm an atheist too, and I see the same thing you do. True Blue Door Oct 2014 #220
Bill is a bigot, a religious bigot, he's also funny most of the time but mulsh Oct 2014 #221
That's despicable, lying slander. True Blue Door Oct 2014 #222
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