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This is a brilliant post. KMOD Oct 2014 #1
I don't blame the nurse for flying. If she can be blamed for anything it is for putting trust in the Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #2
Who ~do~ we listen to then? Fumesucker Oct 2014 #3
I thoroughly enjoyed Kevin Spacey's performance as him in "Recount" Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #5
How is he going to answer any questions except, I'll get back to you on that"? Fumesucker Oct 2014 #6
I strongly suspect you're right, but I am willing to wait and see. Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #7
What the interesting subtext of this little situation with the nurses is... Fumesucker Oct 2014 #9
I suspect people want to feel like it is contained geographically, that's part of it. Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #10
There was *zero* complaint about them working, none, nada, zip, zilch Fumesucker Oct 2014 #12
Texas Presbyterian acted completely irresponsibly. MoonRiver Oct 2014 #44
Never heard anything from the CDC or Texas health authorities either Fumesucker Oct 2014 #45
The irresponsibility and incompetence demonstrated by literally everybody MoonRiver Oct 2014 #47
the good news is that the locals have figured it out for themselves magical thyme Oct 2014 #55
I can just imagine the staff trying to get new positions.. Fumesucker Oct 2014 #59
From where I sit, unless there's a sea change, the people who actually did fuck up, i.e., KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #117
The only "consolation" I suppose you could say - would be - calimary Oct 2014 #148
I think Texas Presbyterian is a non-profit hospital, part of a larger holding group that KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #153
And that's what has to change. calimary Oct 2014 #171
No one - Marx and Lenin included - ever said the transition to socialism KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #180
Well, it's always better to try to remain optimistic. calimary Oct 2014 #191
I would assume that the hospital might face some law suits that could cost them a bit of money and jwirr Oct 2014 #160
That's why it's vital for Texas to elect Abbott as Governor, so that those who were harmed KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #168
Public awareness. Yes,they seemed to care more about it as public reactions than public health issue suffragette Oct 2014 #126
And, ironically, the nurses are the only ones whom have contracted Ebola Proud Liberal Dem Oct 2014 #107
the nurses were exposed right up to the bitter end, when the virus takes completely magical thyme Oct 2014 #161
Link to an article Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #138
Her superiors were unaware that she and all the others were still working? Fumesucker Oct 2014 #145
I have not seen confirmation one way or the other Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #166
You would think the people who dealt directly with Mr Duncan are hot properties for interviews Fumesucker Oct 2014 #169
I notice you have still not provided a link supporting your assertion that they were still working. Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #173
You're right, I don't have any absolute proof, spent a while looking and just decided to fly with it Fumesucker Oct 2014 #179
I'm not excusing anyone - Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #186
This message was self-deleted by its author riderinthestorm Oct 2014 #210
its here in this thread riderinthestorm Oct 2014 #208
Thanks. Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #211
Agreed. I was just answering your question to Fumesucker riderinthestorm Oct 2014 #212
That, I don't buy. Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #214
^=== This. Heaven help me, I am dealing with it now. IdaBriggs Oct 2014 #46
"The Great and Powerful Oz has got matters well in hand - I hope" Crunchy Frog Oct 2014 #57
Well, the best manager I ever worked for wasn't a technical expert, but he WAS MH1 Oct 2014 #87
Exactly! nt Mojorabbit Oct 2014 #167
'I'm not a scientist' should work ... GeorgeGist Oct 2014 #205
Yes yes yes! Dorian Gray Oct 2014 #50
This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Oct 2014 #76
And an ethical girl! MoonRiver Oct 2014 #86
from what I've read, they are both WOMEN, not girls. kath Oct 2014 #96
Definitions are for dumbcat Oct 2014 #97
Infantilizing language is acceptable for women. Gormy Cuss Oct 2014 #99
God, yes laundry_queen Oct 2014 #116
You'll have to have a word with my 80-something mother. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2014 #140
First off, it's different for equals to use juvenile terms among themselves to describe themselves. Gormy Cuss Oct 2014 #182
Yes, they are both women. MoonRiver Oct 2014 #100
The cruise ship (floating petri dish) is almost worse than the flight imo... pipoman Oct 2014 #4
I have a hard time thinking of a legal job more physically intimate than a nurse Fumesucker Oct 2014 #8
The answer to your question is that capitalism doesn't really care about the lives of KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #119
i may have been too young to get Quincy w/ jack klugman, but even i would have been pansypoo53219 Oct 2014 #11
Why when you're still working? Fumesucker Oct 2014 #13
I'm so glad this virus isn't *easily* transmissible renate Oct 2014 #14
In that case anyone not naturally immune would have been dead for a few decades now Fumesucker Oct 2014 #17
You are right about the tickets ArcticFox Oct 2014 #111
Why are you so dedicated to defending this woman's selfish/idiotic actions? LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #15
Then she shouldn't have been caring for patients Fumesucker Oct 2014 #16
What apologetics? LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #18
No the flying, just like treating patients was approved Fumesucker Oct 2014 #19
I had a thought that it's as basic as safe cooking woodsprite Oct 2014 #88
for her and her union? ArcticFox Oct 2014 #118
The "authorities" are not responsible for EVERYTHING treestar Oct 2014 #95
She obeyed authority, did what they said she should do and then what they said she could do Fumesucker Oct 2014 #121
No one has to follow authority slavishly treestar Oct 2014 #196
She wasn't caring for patients while sick elias7 Oct 2014 #139
Her first flight she was feeling well Fumesucker Oct 2014 #142
The personal attacks on this woman are what should stop. Live and Learn Oct 2014 #20
She was following CDC guidelines. She called to check. Yo_Mama Oct 2014 #67
She should be expected to know more than her employer or the CDC? Crunchy Frog Oct 2014 #72
I agree Evergreen Emerald Oct 2014 #130
The CDC told her she could fly. What higher authority do you want, God? moriah Oct 2014 #202
This is such garbage. She made a decision NOT to purchase travel insurance for those tickets mnhtnbb Oct 2014 #21
Are you in the travel insurance industry by chance? Fumesucker Oct 2014 #22
No. In fact, I'm a retired hospital administrator married to an MD who is scared mnhtnbb Oct 2014 #31
To be fair none of us know what the future will bring Fumesucker Oct 2014 #33
My sympathies are with her, too. mnhtnbb Oct 2014 #49
Phrases that should not be used while making conclusions: 'my hunch is that' and 'I imagine she' Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #51
And your point is? mnhtnbb Oct 2014 #54
yes, please stop the speculation ArcticFox Oct 2014 #131
Simpler for the hospital just to fire those who won't do it Fumesucker Oct 2014 #53
The employees were told not to talk to the media. That is not unusual. mnhtnbb Oct 2014 #58
Can you explain to me then why the nurses were still working up until Vinson's flight drew attention Fumesucker Oct 2014 #60
I am not--and if you look at my posts for the last few days have never--defended the hospital. mnhtnbb Oct 2014 #90
I didn't intend to accuse you of anything in that post Fumesucker Oct 2014 #112
All I can do is speculate about the challenges faced by nursing admins in staffing mnhtnbb Oct 2014 #146
Thank you.. Fumesucker Oct 2014 #155
oh, that's important ArcticFox Oct 2014 #133
Allow me to restate your position (with which I agree 1000%) as simply as possible: KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #123
This is not my conversation, please excuse the insert, but vanlassie Oct 2014 #74
Superior attitude? What a bunch of malarkey. mnhtnbb Oct 2014 #84
Yes, we all make decisions based on finances. vanlassie Oct 2014 #89
I have never criticized her decision not to purchase travel insurance. I simply offered the mnhtnbb Oct 2014 #91
"She was going to make the trip because it was vanlassie Oct 2014 #94
+Infinity. If there's one thing I despise even more than Republicans, it's self-satisfied KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #124
The bigger offense is implying she was making the decision based on money loss!!! lunasun Oct 2014 #172
+10000 vanlassie Oct 2014 #177
lol - this is a new low. nt TBF Oct 2014 #68
Why should she have needed 'travel insurance' if she had called the airlines to tell them sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #175
This is what happened to me... ReRe Oct 2014 #23
I don't disagree with you, the nurse should have been quarantined Fumesucker Oct 2014 #25
I agree... ReRe Oct 2014 #41
I think she made a foolish and very dangerous choice. MoonRiver Oct 2014 #24
Was her working also a "foolish and dangerous choice"? Fumesucker Oct 2014 #26
I'm just talking about how I would have handled the situation. MoonRiver Oct 2014 #29
Your bringing up "would she have been fired" is a complete straw man. WinkyDink Oct 2014 #36
The nurses had to go through the national union to speak up about what was going on there Fumesucker Oct 2014 #42
A 'complete straw man'? Had she failed to report for a KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #127
Would not have happened..here's why SoCalDem Oct 2014 #134
Well, as it happens, you're the one who is wrong. The nurses at this particular KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #137
Look, the nurse on the cruise ship acted like a normal human being. Shrike47 Oct 2014 #27
I think most of these "holier than thou" types would have done just the same thing Fumesucker Oct 2014 #28
she quit being a "normal human being" when she was told to isolate & monitor SoCalDem Oct 2014 #149
This message was self-deleted by its author Tumbulu Oct 2014 #207
please just do what you think fits lalabetsy Oct 2014 #30
I'm wondering why we are taking Amber Vinson's word for that alleged call. WinkyDink Oct 2014 #32
I like how everyone ignores the fact the Ebola exposed nurses had been working Fumesucker Oct 2014 #34
I don't understand your sentence: "had been working." What? I mean, isn't that the point? WinkyDink Oct 2014 #35
Up until the travel brouhaha the nurses had continued with their dail lives, including work.. Fumesucker Oct 2014 #39
Yes but no one reported feeling sick elias7 Oct 2014 #144
Yes, they may or may not have been exposed Fumesucker Oct 2014 #152
I don't care who they worked with except under 2 conditions. uppityperson Oct 2014 #176
The CDC has confirmed that she checked, yes. Yo_Mama Oct 2014 #81
I think I read that the CDC (or TX Dept. of Health) confirmed that she had called but KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #125
This was confirmed by CDC. LisaL Oct 2014 #143
The CDC confirmed that she called them. Chemisse Oct 2014 #163
I'm a former nurse mgardener54 Oct 2014 #37
Would you also have not cared for patients during this period? Fumesucker Oct 2014 #40
About 15 years ago one of my patients came down with mumps 2 days after I saw her newfie11 Oct 2014 #38
Right, but mumps is a highly contagious airborne disease so the guidelines are different. Yo_Mama Oct 2014 #77
Chill out honey newfie11 Oct 2014 #197
you go above and contact the CDC. This is analogous to an employer telling an employee to do still_one Oct 2014 #43
No one has said that anyone objected to the travel plans Fumesucker Oct 2014 #48
I can't believe that anyone who has to work for a living is allowing her to KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #128
She did that. CDC said she had no exposure. Yo_Mama Oct 2014 #66
As I posted before... Lars39 Oct 2014 #52
Was she also not supposed to err on the side of caution by refusing to go to work? Fumesucker Oct 2014 #56
What are sick leave policies for health care workers? Downwinder Oct 2014 #65
What is this "sick leave" of which you speak? Fumesucker Oct 2014 #69
Sick leave should be available for any worker that comes Downwinder Oct 2014 #73
Yes it should.. Fumesucker Oct 2014 #79
I thought we learned something from the 1918 flu pandemic. Downwinder Oct 2014 #82
We started dismantling our public health infrastructure in the 70s. Warren Stupidity Oct 2014 #204
I don't know what the sick leave policies are at her hospital... DeadLetterOffice Oct 2014 #78
American capitalism is fucked up. Health care delivery is part of that capitalism. Otherwise, spot KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #129
No, she should not have been assigned other patients, ie gone into work. Lars39 Oct 2014 #85
And besides, it's so much more fun to beat up on a helpless individual than a faceless bureaucracy Fumesucker Oct 2014 #115
Sorry, that's not going to fly with me....Both the system and she was at fault. Lars39 Oct 2014 #181
Yes, we should all ignore expert instructions for Common Sense Fumesucker Oct 2014 #183
So what you are saying is that she "was just following orders". Lars39 Oct 2014 #184
Understanding how it happened and being empathetic HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #61
This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Oct 2014 #83
Ann, you continue to nail this situation! MoonRiver Oct 2014 #98
Who is doing that? Fumesucker Oct 2014 #102
The "system" failed her and all of us. MoonRiver Oct 2014 #105
No other person even questioned them continuing to work Fumesucker Oct 2014 #106
Maybe, unless she has infected somebody. MoonRiver Oct 2014 #114
To the hospital (and to American captialism writ large), Nurse Vinson was a disposable KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #132
It isn't clear to me if it's the same people screaming, but yes, there are people HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #108
In retrospect I'm pretty sure Turbineguy Oct 2014 #62
You've been told you're gtg...head on out. ileus Oct 2014 #63
Thank you for the rationality and the decency Yo_Mama Oct 2014 #64
I've been through several eye-opening events on DU Fumesucker Oct 2014 #71
Yes, but HCW also acquire a strong determination to avert unnecessary disease and death Yo_Mama Oct 2014 #80
Nurse Vinson did us a huge, huge favor and is getting figuratively burned at the stake for it Fumesucker Oct 2014 #109
"Blame the individual" is always the first TBF Oct 2014 #70
This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Oct 2014 #75
Why public transportation only? Fumesucker Oct 2014 #103
It wasn't right for her to be caring for immune compromised patients. MoonRiver Oct 2014 #110
Her superiors bear no responsibility for forcing her to work? Fumesucker Oct 2014 #113
I am definitely NOT exonerating them. MoonRiver Oct 2014 #120
She could have stayed home and been the person Downwinder Oct 2014 #198
This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Oct 2014 #147
You have completely missed the point of the OP. If Nurse Vinson was such a threat by KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #136
Good post, but it's stupidity all around. MH1 Oct 2014 #92
In Ohio, where pay is low and cost of living is low, Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #93
She had recently moved to another state Fumesucker Oct 2014 #104
Anyone who can take a vacation can afford to take a few weeks off? Really. TheKentuckian Oct 2014 #135
It's like the "reverse socialism' we saw during the Financial Crisis of 2008-09 when KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #141
I expect my fellow licensed professionals Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #150
No, what you expect is for wage earners to eat it to cover screw ups by administrations TheKentuckian Oct 2014 #162
If, by 'wage earners' Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #174
What you expect is for working people to give up the fruits of their labor and/or earned benefits TheKentuckian Oct 2014 #190
That's the insidious nature of ebola... TeeYiYi Oct 2014 #101
lol :) n/t KMOD Oct 2014 #122
absolutely, so sick of the blame the victim crap i see on other sites pitohui Oct 2014 #151
You could say, "It's a feature, not a bug (npi)" - nt KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #154
Other sites? Fumesucker Oct 2014 #158
This may be the best thread I've read on DU since joining during KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #156
During the Polio Epidemic in the 50s only the families that actually had the disease were actually jwirr Oct 2014 #157
I had polio ... GeorgeGist Oct 2014 #206
Did you by any chance live in a city? I was in a rural area. That may have been the difference. As jwirr Oct 2014 #213
The settings are not equal. Sweet Freedom Oct 2014 #159
Would you be comfortable with being nursed by one of the Ebola exposed staff? Fumesucker Oct 2014 #164
Nope Sweet Freedom Oct 2014 #199
Well said! Lars39 Oct 2014 #185
If the nurse doesn't have symptoms, she is not contagious. Period. Chemisse Oct 2014 #165
Exactly. If she was traveling and got Sx, stop. If she was working, got sx, stop. If she was at the uppityperson Oct 2014 #178
And if she was on a cruise ship in the middle of the ocean? LisaL Oct 2014 #187
Did you read my post or just the title? uppityperson Oct 2014 #189
Indeed. And a cruise ship would not be a good place to be if symptoms did start. Chemisse Oct 2014 #194
So if she is sitting on the plane at that time, how do you propose she "stopped." LisaL Oct 2014 #188
I could be wrong, but I don't think the symptoms come on all of a sudden in a particular moment. Chemisse Oct 2014 #195
Well, if you don't know the exact moment you get the symptoms, then how are you going to stop LisaL Oct 2014 #209
Someone here posted hcw exposed should be fired for not making their own decisions . My reply lunasun Oct 2014 #170
Hhmmm... donco Oct 2014 #192
I call that the definition of selfish. MoonRiver Oct 2014 #193
I'm a nurse and I took the Nightingale Pledge. Avalux Oct 2014 #200
Some evilDUers think lots of workers aren't actually people, IronLionZion Oct 2014 #201
I am a working registered nurse as well working ing a hospital FloridaBlues Oct 2014 #203
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