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LiberalLovinLug

(14,153 posts)
216. You lost me
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 04:36 PM
Oct 2014

When you use terms like "are not quite the heroes they want everyone to believe they are". You use a projected assumption of hubris and a desire for adulation as their reasoning for doing what they did; Snowden for releasing the information, and Greenwald for printing it. No bother that Snowden has said he does NOT want to be looked upon as some kind of hero. Did Ellsberg, or Manning, or for that matter other brave whistleblowers do what they did for the hero-worship? You could extend that to anyone going out of their way to help someone else they see is in trouble. In that moment of decision, are they thinking they will get in the paper and be hailed as heros? If you honestly believe that there is no such thing as anybody doing anything because they were compelled to by their conscience then I pity someone who lives with that. A serious form of cultural nihilism.

They have become celebrities, infamous ones, as a byproduct in this age of celebrity. The Kardashians are an example of a carefully created celebrity for financial gain. Can't you see the difference?

I am glad you brought this up, I don't have a problem sleeping at night since I am not guilty Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #1
Excellent, you speak for me!1 Thanks!1 n/t UTUSN Oct 2014 #11
To properly evaluate Ed Snowden QuestionAlways Oct 2014 #79
As I replied the same in the other thread, & I respect your opinion without name-calling. n/t UTUSN Oct 2014 #82
I believe all the kvetching from Snowden and Waldo LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #83
I've been here the entire time. I do not want to live in Soviet Russia or NAZI Germany. JDPriestly Oct 2014 #199
I'm not too fond of surveillance either, neither government nor corporate surveillance. LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #207
You lost me LiberalLovinLug Oct 2014 #216
Wonderful post! markpkessinger Oct 2014 #276
Well said. woo me with science Oct 2014 #306
Well put... MrMickeysMom Oct 2014 #307
I'd be fine with them, as we did in fact survive that period treestar Oct 2014 #115
It was far far worse under Bush ConservativeDemocrat Oct 2014 #144
The NSA is violating our constitutional rights. Read my posts on this thread. JDPriestly Oct 2014 #202
How on earth do you imagine that signal intelligence violates anyone's right to free association? ConservativeDemocrat Oct 2014 #279
"information which should only e shared with those authorized to receive the information?" JDPriestly Oct 2014 #23
Could you quote the Constitution where everything is to be shared? Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #35
I am awaiting a response to your reply, but there will be none. LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #81
Please see my post 186. JDPriestly Oct 2014 #190
The government has no right to privacy. Citizens do. The fourth estate bears the burden of Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #106
No, ti doesn't but we let it keep secrets to save us form the Soviets, etc. treestar Oct 2014 #118
"save us form the Soviets"... Thor_MN Oct 2014 #153
If these programs only collected information that was vital to our national security, JDPriestly Oct 2014 #206
So the givernment doesn't have a right to privacy, that being said we will publish Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #122
medical records as well, and if there are any criminal records, that should be made public as well. LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #194
My social securitty number has nothing to do with a theoretical right of prvacy of the JDPriestly Oct 2014 #196
I was replying to post #106 who claims the government does not have a right to privacy. Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #197
Again. Your SS# and income tax returns are not private to protect the right to privacy of the JDPriestly Oct 2014 #245
Again my reply was to someone who thinks everything in the "government" should be available Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #250
That was a good point, and I notice you will not get an honest response treestar Oct 2014 #260
It's NOT a "good point", it's an utterly moronic point! scarletwoman Oct 2014 #285
So from your second paragraph, we have the right to know treestar Oct 2014 #293
+100000 woo me with science Oct 2014 #205
Umm... the Constitution explicitly grants Congress a right to secrecy in its procedings Recursion Oct 2014 #152
That is not a right as in, you know. Bill of Rights. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #154
Why not? Recursion Oct 2014 #166
Okay.....what the fuck? Are you honestly...honestly.....claiming that rights msanthrope Oct 2014 #251
"iats proceedings." Not our proceedings. The Bill of Rights limits the government's ability JDPriestly Oct 2014 #198
Sure it does Recursion Oct 2014 #253
and Section 9 marym625 Oct 2014 #200
Wait... that's two different things Recursion Oct 2014 #255
That the census information is sealed backs up my claim that we have a right to privacy. JDPriestly Oct 2014 #186
Since Bush publically reported the phone data was being collected from providers some time back Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #192
The Constitution prohibits the government from invading our privacy in this way.; JDPriestly Oct 2014 #244
Article 1 Section 9 marym625 Oct 2014 #226
Thank you. polichick Oct 2014 #177
Cool. Then privacy does not matter to you. Give e your passwords. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #99
Since you may want to know everything the government has, let's publish Social Security Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #164
They are a result of private enterprise treestar Oct 2014 #297
Cuz the US government illegally spying on us AgingAmerican Oct 2014 #111
I wonder how a person who is an American, known to be a stealer of classified information treestar Oct 2014 #114
LOL, wow, a NSA fan! nt Logical Oct 2014 #133
My position exactly..... George II Oct 2014 #162
They would never be heard from again.... daleanime Oct 2014 #163
Daniel Ellsberg is still alive and kicking! George II Oct 2014 #165
If he did that today..... daleanime Oct 2014 #189
Manning is the dupe in this whole escapade.... George II Oct 2014 #191
The dupe is us..... daleanime Oct 2014 #193
I am not surprised that you sleep good at night believing that the powerful NSA/CIA Security rhett o rick Oct 2014 #168
If the surveillance in and of itself is not enough, please note this: JDPriestly Oct 2014 #188
Thank you 20score! Bigmack Oct 2014 #2
You're very welcome! 20score Oct 2014 #4
Oh hell yes! K&R! suede1 Oct 2014 #3
Ah, the return of the "authoritarian" name calling at those who dare to differ. UTUSN Oct 2014 #5
au·thor·i·tar·i·an 20score Oct 2014 #8
This particular chariot race has ruts so deep it is unusable. And I predict UTUSN Oct 2014 #12
And you are ... NanceGreggs Oct 2014 #24
You got in a paragraph Nance sheshe2 Oct 2014 #33
maybe b/c we have mirrors and don't see it? juxtaposed Oct 2014 #72
Then ya got your eyes closed. Cha Oct 2014 #116
i'm sorry, but no I do not... juxtaposed Oct 2014 #125
I am adherent to reality. I have never discredited actual debate. 20score Oct 2014 #34
Funny how sheshe drew a straight line between Snowden critics and Obama supporters GoneFishin Oct 2014 #46
I made no "assumptions". NanceGreggs Oct 2014 #66
This is what you said, you even used the words, "Your assumption." 20score Oct 2014 #68
There is no debate on the credibility LiberalLovinLug Oct 2014 #220
There has never been a debate as to the authenticity of the stolen documents. NanceGreggs Oct 2014 #229
You cannot be that naive Nance LiberalLovinLug Oct 2014 #236
"complete acceptance of everything both men have said and done" druidity33 Oct 2014 #92
What they have "brought to light" ... NanceGreggs Oct 2014 #140
That's actually bullshit Nance and you know it. druidity33 Oct 2014 #150
One subtle difference about your assertion hootinholler Oct 2014 #151
What I find interesting from those that support the Security State is the justification rhett o rick Oct 2014 #167
Unbelievable that they still trot out the "already known" bullshit LondonReign2 Oct 2014 #176
Where has anyone said ... NanceGreggs Oct 2014 #210
You actually equate someone stealing a million $ to whistleblowing information? LiberalLovinLug Oct 2014 #218
Jesus Hussein Christ. NanceGreggs Oct 2014 #234
Yes I got the gist first time LiberalLovinLug Oct 2014 #239
Can you point out where I said ... NanceGreggs Oct 2014 #241
I did admit I was portraying the "gist" of what I gleaned from your reponses. LiberalLovinLug Oct 2014 #248
I thank you for the kind words ... NanceGreggs Oct 2014 #256
I respect your opinion LiberalLovinLug Oct 2014 #283
Thank you for your reply. NanceGreggs Oct 2014 #290
the actual fact that many people, if not most people hfojvt Oct 2014 #195
Great for foreign countries, too treestar Oct 2014 #294
I don't particularly give a fuck about Snowden or Greenwald Scootaloo Oct 2014 #124
I think you're thinking of ... NanceGreggs Oct 2014 #138
Nope, I'm not Scootaloo Oct 2014 #139
Hmmm ... NanceGreggs Oct 2014 #141
Wow-- a "I know you are but what am I" argument? LondonReign2 Oct 2014 #179
Actually, it's more of a ... NanceGreggs Oct 2014 #215
Yeah? Well you seem to forget that Snowden still works as a hairdresser. Enthusiast Oct 2014 #156
scootalo? grasswire Oct 2014 #267
Oh, it's got all sorts of stuff in there Scootaloo Oct 2014 #268
What is irrational is the claim the US has no right to national security treestar Oct 2014 #296
Everyone is suppose to suck up whatever version G-S comes up with.. just like they do.. OR.. Cha Oct 2014 #128
a weaker state? i was taught the Constitution is what made us strong. nashville_brook Oct 2014 #160
What don't you find credible aobut Greenwald/Snowden? JDPriestly Oct 2014 #247
You don't have to point out that ... NanceGreggs Oct 2014 #264
My view is that the constitutional violations about which Snowden provided the evidence JDPriestly Oct 2014 #265
There is no point in trying to reach ... NanceGreggs Oct 2014 #266
If you read the book, you will understand. JDPriestly Oct 2014 #269
Sorry for sayin' so ... NanceGreggs Oct 2014 #278
Laura Poitras explains how Snowden contacted her and how Greenwald got involved in the JDPriestly Oct 2014 #277
The movie changed Harvey Weinstein's mind. He no longer thinks that Snowden is a Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #281
Wow! JDPriestly Oct 2014 #282
Just got home from seeing the movie. It is a perfect compliment to the book. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #289
Excellent! woo me with science Oct 2014 #316
Curious… I guess your evidence of… MrMickeysMom Oct 2014 #308
It's evidence easily discerned. NanceGreggs Oct 2014 #310
So, it's a correlation, then MrMickeysMom Oct 2014 #313
anarchist aye? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #52
+100000 Of course you are correct that the word, "authoritarian" is accurate here, woo me with science Oct 2014 #126
I have a some favorite posters on DU. Manny, Willy T, Duppers, Suich, Will Pit to name a few. 20score Oct 2014 #129
That is a wonderful, excellent post! scarletwoman Oct 2014 #137
+1 an entire shit load. Enthusiast Oct 2014 #158
Oh woo marym625 Oct 2014 #169
+ infinity. Outstanding post! CrawlingChaos Oct 2014 #225
Nailed it! L0oniX Oct 2014 #243
If the shoe fits... 99Forever Oct 2014 #9
Nyet, nao, it don't fit. Will go elsewhere for more range in sizes. Thanks!1 n/t UTUSN Oct 2014 #14
That sounds dead on from what I've seen of some of the greenwald fans.. Can't debate his fuckups so Cha Oct 2014 #25
The "GG = homophobic" thing was just a hateful smear. joshcryer Oct 2014 #32
Does the same apply to JFK, LBJ, GWB, EW, HRC, FDR, MLK, and so on. Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #42
People pointed that out. joshcryer Oct 2014 #49
I guess whomever named him shpuld be crying crocodile tears of shame. Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #53
Why should we debate Greenwald's "fuck ups" zeemike Oct 2014 #56
^^this. nashville_brook Oct 2014 #171
Do you like the fact that the government is collecting personal information from people's e-mail JDPriestly Oct 2014 #27
i like the fact that Snowden collected data and decided tp share this with the world. Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #48
Since you civilly asked me to explain, I will. UTUSN Oct 2014 #75
What is your legal training? Have you ever studied constitutional law? JDPriestly Oct 2014 #89
I answered sincerely and completely-FOR-ME. I don't need lectures-sermons-patronizing UTUSN Oct 2014 #93
Will you go see the movie? riderinthestorm Oct 2014 #105
I don't see why you're injecting yourself tangentally. I don't have reason to believe that UTUSN Oct 2014 #108
Do your thing and I will do mine. JDPriestly Oct 2014 #112
My quoting a pop-poster from the '70s was not about "therapy" it was about your and my UTUSN Oct 2014 #113
Because they are not treestar Oct 2014 #119
Self-aggrandizement is the biggest thing you're worried about? Hissyspit Oct 2014 #232
I have a giant teddy bear shenmue Oct 2014 #6
Usually on my left side. MineralMan Oct 2014 #7
Do you think that the authors of the Fourth Amendment would sleep well at nightt if they JDPriestly Oct 2014 #30
If it was true the NSA did not acquire the information without a warrant they just may Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #51
Have you read the Fourth Amendment? JDPriestly Oct 2014 #123
Why would you think I have not read the Fourth Amendment? I know about the warrants Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #135
Er, ah, probable cause? RufusTFirefly Oct 2014 #183
Wow, have you been missing the news reports for about the last 15 years? Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #185
Good you've read the Fourth Amendment. A pity that you don't understand it. RufusTFirefly Oct 2014 #187
Probable cause is individual not a holistic rationale. You are making a mockery of the whole concept TheKentuckian Oct 2014 #208
Where did you determine what is individual and holistic rationale? Did not see that in Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #209
I suppose I struggle with your definition of probable cause to such an extent TheKentuckian Oct 2014 #212
Here you go: Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #214
There still is none by what I consider to be a twisted interpretation in the first place. TheKentuckian Oct 2014 #231
Perhaps it is not the crimes committed by the provider, many times Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #235
What opposition to obtaining warrants do you think I expressed? TheKentuckian Oct 2014 #246
they are all dead so I am pretty sure sleep is a non-issue for them... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #55
They would be fine with it as treestar Oct 2014 #298
The Supreme Court did not ok this massive spying on the American people. JDPriestly Oct 2014 #302
Good question. I have asked this, too. woo me with science Oct 2014 #10
+1 newfie11 Oct 2014 #13
How do you like their reaction to the new Iphone? L0oniX Oct 2014 #85
I'm glad you put words to how I feel about iphones. ozone_man Oct 2014 #240
This message was self-deleted by its author woo me with science Oct 2014 #252
+10000000 woo me with science Oct 2014 #254
Good dog whistle! Rex Oct 2014 #15
what has taken me so long to put you on the ignore list? reddread Oct 2014 #44
LOL! Rex Oct 2014 #100
It does encourage others to ignore you as well. Maedhros Nov 2014 #327
You?! DeSwiss Oct 2014 #149
Confused that one is, yes. Rex Oct 2014 #280
You would have to ask Snowden or Greenwald whistler162 Oct 2014 #16
I'm sure they sleep well knowing they are protecting our constiutional rights. JDPriestly Oct 2014 #28
Post removed Post removed Oct 2014 #17
dang -- glad i've been missing some of this. nashville_brook Oct 2014 #175
I don't believe in personality cults. joshcryer Oct 2014 #18
Ironic, given your sig line. RufusTFirefly Oct 2014 #22
Yeah, not sure I am worshiping Huey Long there. joshcryer Oct 2014 #29
Ironic in that authoritarians thrive on personality cults. baldguy Oct 2014 #38
It's why you can be a "whistleblower in Russia." joshcryer Oct 2014 #45
Authoritarians also only view the world in black & white. No shades of grey. baldguy Oct 2014 #58
My country, right or wrong, Dude! RufusTFirefly Oct 2014 #19
My mother ...drunk or sober. L0oniX Oct 2014 #76
Complete agreement from this corner! nt GliderGuider Oct 2014 #20
K & R Thespian2 Oct 2014 #21
I've noted that most people -- I'd like to think I'm excluded but cannot say so absolutely -- come KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #121
Thoughtful and accurate Thespian2 Oct 2014 #132
"Operation Shocking and Awful"... SidDithers Oct 2014 #249
Lately, I'm reading The Stone Diaries and some Alan Moore Swamp Thing comics. randome Oct 2014 #26
... SidDithers Oct 2014 #31
It doesn't bother you in the least that Bush's creation ISIS is using Snowden's leaks baldguy Oct 2014 #36
Nah they don't care... Historic NY Oct 2014 #39
Prove it. 20score Oct 2014 #41
ISIS teaches how to avoid NSA snooping in a Tweet baldguy Oct 2014 #54
Snowden and Greenwald, freakin traitors. LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #88
Snowey gave away the secrets... Historic NY Oct 2014 #258
It's actually funny to see someone pooh-pooh the authoritarian label, then Marr Oct 2014 #65
No worse than having worshipful posts praising Greenwald & Snowden demanding 100% agreement baldguy Oct 2014 #78
Yeah, that would be equally mock-worthy. Marr Oct 2014 #86
Apparently, you didn't read the OP baldguy Oct 2014 #87
Look who's talking about people not reading posts. Marr Oct 2014 #127
Pretty much sums up how I feel about it. zeemike Oct 2014 #37
AMEN!!!!!! Douglas Carpenter Oct 2014 #40
Rumor control has it,,,, Cryptoad Oct 2014 #43
Yep... They'd Sell Us Out For 30 Pieces Of Silver WillyT Oct 2014 #47
How much did Greenwald earn from his books exposing US national secrets? baldguy Oct 2014 #64
Whatever works. The goal is to keep the focus on the personalities... RufusTFirefly Oct 2014 #50
DU'ers throwing around the insult "authoritarians" are the most likely to insist on 100% groupthink KittyWampus Oct 2014 #57
This bs has been address several times in this thread. 20score Oct 2014 #63
You want me to prove a negative? LOLZ. KittyWampus Oct 2014 #77
How about disprove a positive. 20score Oct 2014 #80
there's a certain bullying nature about it treestar Oct 2014 #120
Right on cue. woo me with science Oct 2014 #130
mass surveillance stonecutter357 Oct 2014 #184
And here you are behaving this way, right on cue as well. woo me with science Oct 2014 #201
the US spies and stuff. stonecutter357 Oct 2014 #270
I don't know how people like jazzimov Oct 2014 #59
their attacks are usually baseless or vacuous stupidicus Oct 2014 #60
You really nail it with this one sentence. : "They establish their guilt of this simply by GoneFishin Oct 2014 #70
thanks stupidicus Oct 2014 #242
hell to the yeah. nashville_brook Oct 2014 #61
i care about 'the story' iamthebandfanman Oct 2014 #62
No, I don't remember Snowden showing us his smashed laptop. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2014 #172
You are completely correct. The wrongs that they exposed outweigh any transgressions GoneFishin Oct 2014 #67
Big Recommend ! Duppers Oct 2014 #69
Duppers! I've missed you! 20score Oct 2014 #71
Missed you too, my friend! Duppers Oct 2014 #98
K&R!! marym625 Oct 2014 #73
Some people can rationalize anything. pa28 Oct 2014 #74
Greenwald was full of praises for the Bush regime. baldguy Oct 2014 #84
I've been reading Greenward for almost a decade, and that's just not true. Completely wrong! 20score Oct 2014 #91
If you're tired of seeing BS, stop posting it. baldguy Oct 2014 #95
Try a little harder to come up with something the neighborhood six year could old to come up with. 20score Oct 2014 #96
Got it. No rationalizing going on here. pa28 Oct 2014 #94
See post #91 for rationalizing. baldguy Oct 2014 #97
So you're saying Snowden and Greenwald are racist, too? elias49 Oct 2014 #101
No. Only happens that they didn't start screaming until the Pres got a little darker. baldguy Oct 2014 #102
So, "Yes". elias49 Oct 2014 #103
And you're fucking wrong. Prove it. I can link to dozens of articles proving you wrong. 20score Oct 2014 #104
2006 book: How Would a Patriot Act? Defending American Values from a President Run Amok 20score Oct 2014 #107
Pat Tillman joined the army to fight Bush's wars. He criticized it from the inside. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #110
Smearmaster Glenn Greenwald's smear campaign against George W. Bush Douglas Carpenter Oct 2014 #134
That's what he was saying in 2008, with Obama on his way to the WH. baldguy Oct 2014 #145
oh sure, he defended Bush in the beginnng - just like the entire Democratic Party leadership Douglas Carpenter Oct 2014 #146
Can't change the fact that both Greenwald & Snowden supported Bush and his wars. baldguy Oct 2014 #238
Just like John Kerry and Hillary Clinton -except he admitted he was wrong -They have not to this day Douglas Carpenter Oct 2014 #271
But, of course we're not talking about Kerry and Clinton. baldguy Oct 2014 #272
I don't hate them and the Democrats - stop your idiotic nonsense - Douglas Carpenter Oct 2014 #273
If you're advocating against the Democratic Party & the sitting Democratic President baldguy Oct 2014 #274
I didn't realize that supporting the Democratic Party required brain-dead robotic thinking Douglas Carpenter Oct 2014 #275
No, you seem to think "supporting the Democratic Party" consists entirely of baldguy Oct 2014 #284
you're the one promoting right-wing talking points- you just don't have a clue how us liberals think Douglas Carpenter Oct 2014 #288
I'm the one supporting the sitting Democratic President of the United States. baldguy Oct 2014 #292
I'm supporting the sitting President of the United States too - that doesn't mean I have to endorse Douglas Carpenter Oct 2014 #295
Ya, right. Thou doth protest too much, methinks. baldguy Oct 2014 #299
that's what you personality cultist don't understand. Loyalty to our country and our democratic way Douglas Carpenter Oct 2014 #300
"... the personality cultist make **US** look just as stupid and ignorant and any of the wingnuts." baldguy Oct 2014 #301
Yeah, yeah, yeah. We've all read that. But how convenient Hissyspit Oct 2014 #233
Greenwald & Snowden are the ones who are completely dishonest. baldguy Oct 2014 #237
It's very easy to understand. Puzzledtraveller Oct 2014 #90
I'm personally a bad sleeper -- Lots of restless, mentally anguished nights Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #109
With their head in the sand? RobertEarl Oct 2014 #117
I put those posters on ignore, Maedhros Oct 2014 #131
They start by staring at kitty cat pictures! Corruption Inc Oct 2014 #136
"Then, they talk about how everything is 'the white man's' fault." Jeff Rosenzweig Oct 2014 #143
Soundly. Ykcutnek Oct 2014 #142
the us spies and stuff. stonecutter357 Oct 2014 #147
Ignorance or lack of a conscience helps. DeSwiss Oct 2014 #148
Same here. nt Duppers Oct 2014 #180
when people claim they have nothing to lose, what they really mean is they have nothing whereisjustice Oct 2014 #155
+100000000 nashville_brook Oct 2014 #170
nailed it...nt G_j Oct 2014 #174
+100000 woo me with science Oct 2014 #204
AMEN! Mister Nightowl Oct 2014 #157
Well said Helen Borg Oct 2014 #159
A whole fucking thread of Chris Crocker... SidDithers Oct 2014 #161
I was tempted to start a "SnowWald skeptics post your sleeping strategies here" thread BeyondGeography Oct 2014 #203
And the same folks that are always super quiet when there is (relative) unity here Number23 Oct 2014 #230
Yup. Must be getting close to election time... SidDithers Oct 2014 #257
Authoritarian* followers sleep good at night. rhett o rick Oct 2014 #173
True. Their leaders are honest. Their priests don't rape children... polichick Oct 2014 #178
You got it. Sadly they must not be completely convinced because they have to rhett o rick Oct 2014 #181
Most of them defended torture and slept well at night. JoeyT Oct 2014 #182
Authoritarianism is not bound by party ID. nt OnyxCollie Oct 2014 #211
The good news is that those who attack messengers, when they perceive the sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #213
Thanks Sabrina! Well said! Complete cognitive dissonance on their part. And they anger 20score Oct 2014 #217
They are enablers, and at this point, I have nothing but contempt for anyone who sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #219
Proud to call you my new DU friend! 20score Oct 2014 #224
+1 NealK Oct 2014 #222
It pains me to see people who call themselves Democrats making the same 20score Oct 2014 #221
Interesting. Andy823 Oct 2014 #227
Yes. 20score Oct 2014 #228
No it is not treestar Oct 2014 #261
Those who build surveillance machines woo me with science Oct 2014 #223
^^^THIS^^^ L0oniX Oct 2014 #259
Excellent post and every link is worth studying. JEB Oct 2014 #262
It is never a mistake to click on one of your posts. Thanks Karmadillo Oct 2014 #312
I would like to recommend this Mira Oct 2014 #263
You rock! 20score Oct 2014 #287
Kick for another sour grapes meta blowout. ucrdem Oct 2014 #286
Meanwhile, back at the farm, the Hardy Boys have discovered the murderer's bandana!!! Major Hogwash Oct 2014 #291
The Hardy Boys and the Trail of Tears ucrdem Oct 2014 #311
"How do they sleep at night?" R.Quinn Oct 2014 #303
In case you're still wondering, I've been sleeping much better the past few nights Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #304
Kick for conscience. woo me with science Oct 2014 #305
this thread was an eye-opener... K&R,nt. druidity33 Oct 2014 #309
I agree. Major Hogwash Oct 2014 #314
Still sleeping fine...Any other questions? Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #315
You might ask how Greenwald sleeps at night on his bed of $100 bills Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #317
Daily update: Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #318
Not that you would understand. But thanks for the kick. 20score Oct 2014 #319
You asked me a question, and I answered... Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #320
Greenwald is not the story. Until those who are willfully ignorant 20score Oct 2014 #321
Put me on ignore then, tough guy Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #322
Must have touched a nerve. 20score Oct 2014 #323
I slept pretty well last night Blue_Tires Nov 2014 #325
Slept like the dead over this weekend... Blue_Tires Nov 2014 #324
I know it's not right, and I feel bad about it, but at this point your 20score Nov 2014 #329
To be specific, it's more of a bipolar-passive/aggressive thing Blue_Tires Nov 2014 #330
Do the attacks on Taibbi from those 'journalists' keep You up at night? LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #326
Kick! woo me with science Nov 2014 #328
Maybe you need to ask how the fuck your boy Rand Paul sleeps at night? Blue_Tires Nov 2014 #331
Glenn Greenwald just reprinted in full a mostly-positive review of his book on the Intercept Blue_Tires Nov 2014 #332
Even you can't ignore this one, which ended exactly as I predicted Blue_Tires Nov 2014 #333
Meanwhile, the Intercept has fired all of Taibbi's former hires Blue_Tires Dec 2014 #334
You have been harassing me for over a month now. 20score Dec 2014 #335
Why would I ever alert? Blue_Tires Dec 2014 #336
K & R, just for a re-read... mrdmk May 2016 #337
In light of what has happened since, maybe I need to Blue_Tires Aug 2016 #338
Ask me how I'm sleeping now! Blue_Tires Jan 2017 #339
I'm sleeping fine... How are YOU sleeping? Blue_Tires Oct 2017 #340
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