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KurtNYC

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87. Saw the movie three weeks ago. And told my friends after the movie that

Mon Nov 3, 2014, 05:17 PM

Nov 2014

the rape scene really stood out for being so casual and problematic.

Tthey movie DOES glorify war, specifically how wonderful it is to die inside of a tank when the war is 2 weeks away from being over. It is right there in the trailer -- the crew can leave Brad Pitt or stay and die and they choose to stay and die. It is 'death before dishonor' and all that. In the opening of "Patton" they call that bullshit ("make the other die for HIS country...&quot but this film comes from a very pro-war mindset. "Fury" loves war and it loves itself.

A town in Germany is being over run in the middle of winter and what does this girl choose to wear that day? A short summer dress. A bizarre ill-conceived scene in a movie that is so in love with itself that it thinks it can do no wrong.

Overall, many great action sequences between clunky, awkward dialog scenes. Not a great film. Would have been better if they used all that costume, setting and CGI to tell the true Creighton Abrams' story.

At :52 the palm reading is part of the rape sequence ("you will have one true love in your life" ):

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Rape scene in Brad Pitt's Fury [View all] packman Nov 2014 OP

Yuck. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #1

"Bad enough that they had to throw rape in" Dawgs Nov 2014 #12

It's interesting that that's the 'entire fucking point', when every single trailer Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #16

Do the adverts portray it as something other than a war movie? Dawgs Nov 2014 #21

All of the ones I saw portrayed it as Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #24

I don't know what to tell you. I actually saw the movie and the "rape scene" is not what you think. Dawgs Nov 2014 #27

Nod, I won't be seeing it anyway, Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #29

Fair enough. Look at the responses (25 & 30) to see what actually happened in that scene. n/t Dawgs Nov 2014 #33

"Wasn't creepy or brutal"? Brigid Nov 2014 #90

So you didn't see the movie and you're telling me really? Dawgs Nov 2014 #92

Violence against women isn't entertainment. Brigid Nov 2014 #93

I agree. And, that's also why you shouldn't comment without seeing the movie. Dawgs Nov 2014 #96

Seen the movie twiceand think it quite a stretch to consider that a rape scene. jeepers Nov 2014 #2

did he hand a girl to a man to be fucked? did she have a choice? interesting. seabeyond Nov 2014 #3

I haven't seen it either - and kind of wish I had. el_bryanto Nov 2014 #4

There is one really important line in that scene jeepers Nov 2014 #5

you did not answer my question. i do not like military, killing movies, so no, i will not watch. nt seabeyond Nov 2014 #31

I can understand why you will not see it DonCoquixote Nov 2014 #81

Cool. TransitJohn Nov 2014 #94

pontificating, asking questions cause i have not seen? what a stupid ass post. i admit i have not seabeyond Nov 2014 #95

Sure as hell sounds like a rape scene to me. Orrex Nov 2014 #6

I haven't seen the movie but is the review at the link correct in quoting cali Nov 2014 #7

Don't judge me or the scene until you have seen it. jeepers Nov 2014 #18

Agree. n/t Dawgs Nov 2014 #19

Is the quote accurate or not? What is describe is rape. period. cali Nov 2014 #39

The description is clearly rape gollygee Nov 2014 #57

I have to honestly say that is the first time I have ever heard rape described as "sweet." n/t Jamastiene Nov 2014 #83

Did you see the movie? n/t Dawgs Nov 2014 #84

Any criticism of any art that starts with 'I have not seen it' is a waste of space. Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #28

I am not criticizing it. I am simply saying that what is described is undoubtedly an act of rape cali Nov 2014 #40

"I'm not CRITIQUING it." Dreamer Tatum Nov 2014 #44

Here's the thing. The film is the description, the 'review' is a description of the film. Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #47

yep, that's rape. RedstDem Nov 2014 #56

Sounds like a pretty big power differential to me. Brickbat Nov 2014 #8

At the extreme least, it's a power imbalance issue Blue_Adept Nov 2014 #11

Agree, the whole point of the movie was to show how war can make a person do unthinkable things. Dawgs Nov 2014 #13

Indeed Blue_Adept Nov 2014 #23

It wasn't played for sexy-time appeal to the largely male audience that went to it. seabeyond Nov 2014 #37

I haven't seen the movie yet, but I think you are correct - hedgehog Nov 2014 #46

I think your opinion is well thought out but I disagree... stevenleser Nov 2014 #64

This message was self-deleted by its author Blue_Adept Nov 2014 #65

I saw it. It was rape, and of both folks who had sex and I thought so as I saw it. stevenleser Nov 2014 #59

I felt like she really had no choice. Afraid of them. nt Logical Nov 2014 #88

It was one of those rape scenes where LittleBlue Nov 2014 #9

Sort of like "Game of thrones" then, but with a modern setting. nt bemildred Nov 2014 #10

Question for those who have seen the film? Bragi Nov 2014 #14

Early. It's when they LittleBlue Nov 2014 #17

Does the woman seem coerced? That's my issue el_bryanto Nov 2014 #20

She is unquestionably coerced LittleBlue Nov 2014 #25

Actually, you got one part of it wrong and you left out another important part. Dawgs Nov 2014 #30

He was an 18 year old naive virgin in sex and killing **spoler alert** Sheepshank Nov 2014 #62

Add **spoiler** to your post. Dawgs Nov 2014 #63

That does imply coercion provide it's clear that she doesn't want to have sex with either of them el_bryanto Nov 2014 #41

I saw it. Here is the key, neither character expressed a desire to have sex before Pitt's character stevenleser Nov 2014 #61

Thanks /nt Bragi Nov 2014 #67

You should avoid the film, and indeed most films. nt Dreamer Tatum Nov 2014 #52

Why? Bragi Nov 2014 #66

Avoid most films? Why? Sheldon Cooper Nov 2014 #76

What a shitty thing to say. n/t Jamastiene Nov 2014 #82

You never seen Jennifer Aniston in Derailed? B Calm Nov 2014 #15

with Clive Owen, yes. refresh my memory, please because I am not getting the connection here. Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2014 #26

She went to the hotel room with the guy she was going to have an affair B Calm Nov 2014 #36

derp. that's right. I was thinking Jen seduced him and then blackmailed him. been a while. thanks. Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2014 #42

It was truly on the edge of your seat thriller. I read the book, B Calm Nov 2014 #54

I only saw the movie but, I think it is some of Jen's best work. I wish she would take on more of Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2014 #55

It's a historic film Shankapotomus Nov 2014 #22

Shakespeare on what dramatic arts exist to do: Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #34

Now, we have the Innertubes, but it's still the world stage. Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #38

Sylvia Plath on how mirrors work: Shankapotomus Nov 2014 #43

The cross era conversation of the poets..... Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #51

Waiiiit a minute here. Hold the phone. Dreamer Tatum Nov 2014 #32

And the soldiers were insensitive and cold about it too... Shankapotomus Nov 2014 #45

I think the point is ... GeorgeGist Nov 2014 #49

I think you mean fuck his character Dreamer Tatum Nov 2014 #50

It's not portrayed as sweet. Blue_Adept Nov 2014 #53

"So fuck Brad Pitt and his attempt to portray it as such" EX500rider Nov 2014 #73

The rational mind asks if the scene added depth to either character or plot (it did not). LanternWaste Nov 2014 #58

I thought it added depth to character and plot. Dreamer Tatum Nov 2014 #60

Well, you knew it in "In Harm's Way." Not so much in Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #35

One aspect off this I haven't seen mentioned - hedgehog Nov 2014 #48

Not if it was a Russian. deaniac21 Nov 2014 #68

trigger warning - from an account of the Fall of Berlin - hedgehog Nov 2014 #77

From what I've read in these threads, and the reviews at the linked sites, I have a few questions. Glassunion Nov 2014 #69

I'm hard pressed to say evil. Blue_Adept Nov 2014 #70

So more of a tainted soul? Glassunion Nov 2014 #71

His character seemed to be made dark by the war. Dreamer Tatum Nov 2014 #72

What I'm trying to figure out (without spoiling) is if the scene fit and was apropriate to the film. Glassunion Nov 2014 #74

Scene fit and was very appropriate for the film. n/t Dawgs Nov 2014 #97

He was a very flawed character Marrah_G Nov 2014 #75

Fury doesn't glamorize war lovuian Nov 2014 #78

Oh yay, the good kind of rape! whatchamacallit Nov 2014 #79

Oh, goody, romanticized rape, just what we needed in the movies. Warpy Nov 2014 #80

So, you read the article but hadn't seen the movie? n/t Dawgs Nov 2014 #85

It is ~far~ from romanticized. Blue_Adept Nov 2014 #86

Amazing packman Nov 2014 #91

Saw the movie three weeks ago. And told my friends after the movie that KurtNYC Nov 2014 #87

Make sure to never watch the Sopranos episode "Employee of the Month" Nye Bevan Nov 2014 #89

I don't plan to see that one. Thanks for the heads up. nt raccoon Nov 2014 #98