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markpkessinger

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45. Where, anywhere in this thread, is it said or even remotely implied . . .
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 09:01 PM
Nov 2014

. . . that "not voting is a good strategy?" The point is, low turnout is a symptom of a deeper problem.

This is easy for anyone to think through. One third voted leaving two thirds not voting. Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #1
I voted, and did my best to encourage others to vote . . . markpkessinger Nov 2014 #5
Democracy is not a product to be sold. It is a privilege and a duty. MH1 Nov 2014 #15
Democracy is not the product. branford Nov 2014 #20
+1 Scuba Nov 2014 #27
Amen.... daleanime Nov 2014 #28
Well said! n/t markpkessinger Nov 2014 #31
Are you saying not voting is a winning strategy? The GOP candidates are the winners. Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #36
Where, anywhere in this thread, is it said or even remotely implied . . . markpkessinger Nov 2014 #45
In post #20 Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #55
No, I don't even know how you even implied that from my post. branford Nov 2014 #68
You are arguing a logical non-sequitur markpkessinger Nov 2014 #72
No, what he's saying is not giving people something to vote FOR is a losing SomethingFishy Nov 2014 #47
Thank you, yes. markpkessinger Nov 2014 #50
But they don't seem to be getting it... SomethingFishy Nov 2014 #54
And yet . . . markpkessinger Nov 2014 #93
ROFLMAO..I just had that conversation... SomethingFishy Nov 2014 #100
They are angry moralistic authoritarians enraged that... Odin2005 Nov 2014 #95
What is the result of low voter turnout, Republicans were elected. Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #56
Could you be a little more obtuse? SomethingFishy Nov 2014 #60
I am surprised with so much information available with just a few keystrokes Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #107
What is the result of a party that fails to motivate people to go to the polls? markpkessinger Nov 2014 #74
I went fishing the other day. Saved a lot of money by not baiting my hook. Jackpine Radical Nov 2014 #77
+1 markpkessinger Nov 2014 #83
Brilliant analogy! Odin2005 Nov 2014 #96
I gotta admit I was sorta proud of that one. Jackpine Radical Nov 2014 #99
. markpkessinger Nov 2014 #101
I never metaphor Jackpine Radical Nov 2014 #102
Bullseye!! Liberal_Dog Nov 2014 #108
ROFLMAO!! SomethingFishy Nov 2014 #117
At least you seem to know how to fish, perhaps your next trip will result in fish. Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #159
Well said, but I alerted anywayz. You are being rude to fish. rhett o rick Nov 2014 #171
. ctsnowman Nov 2014 #173
I'm not so sure any more that nonvoters would have voted for Democrats treestar Nov 2014 #145
Looks like you have the right answer, at least when the biyching starts the first question will be Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #161
True. And this no vote threat never comes with any detail about what WOULD inspire them treestar Nov 2014 #163
If you're on a sinking ship and you want bail water just because you don't like the captain TiredOfNo Nov 2014 #59
Right so when the Captain of Titanic ran his ship into the fucking iceberg, SomethingFishy Nov 2014 #62
I see here a resentment of anyone in charge of anything treestar Nov 2014 #151
But if you put your ballot into a voting machine that shreds it, will you still feel better? nm rhett o rick Nov 2014 #169
So the Republicans do give something to vote FOR treestar Nov 2014 #144
Coy doesn't work well for you.. SomethingFishy Nov 2014 #152
+1000 Kilgore Nov 2014 #69
Yes, this is true and it's right to point it out. Yo_Mama Nov 2014 #110
^^^^ This! I wish I could recommend your post. deafskeptic Nov 2014 #114
BOTH have to be done. Enough SHITTY EXCUSES FOR NOT VOTING ! That said, yes, Dems need to figure RBInMaine Nov 2014 #126
It seems downright impossible treestar Nov 2014 #150
+1000 h2ebits Nov 2014 #141
It is their fault treestar Nov 2014 #142
I'm simply claiming that the R's did a better job at "selling" than us. branford Nov 2014 #154
Amen and this from the same continent complaining about the corporat-ocracy treestar Nov 2014 #139
"We suck, but we suck less than they do" doesn't motivate people very much. LuvNewcastle Nov 2014 #2
That idea sucks so bad but I don't have the words right upaloopa Nov 2014 #7
As I've said frequently here in past years . . . markpkessinger Nov 2014 #12
Hey potential voter, you're stupid and lazy, don't forget to vote Democratic! branford Nov 2014 #22
Oh Gosh - I wish you hadn't typed that out loud - truedelphi Nov 2014 #49
It didn't hurt Repubs StarlightGold Nov 2014 #78
who else are they going to vote for? Mnpaul Nov 2014 #87
That is the Third Way® message AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #37
We don't suck treestar Nov 2014 #146
Yep. 99th_Monkey Nov 2014 #3
I really don't believe I am reading all these upaloopa Nov 2014 #4
Perhaps we need to be looking more deeply at the question of WHY they didn't vote . . . markpkessinger Nov 2014 #6
I agree. But reasoned analysis will return only after the hurt and anger has been vented. GliderGuider Nov 2014 #8
That's a fair point . . . markpkessinger Nov 2014 #10
Let me ask you this. How are they going to get upaloopa Nov 2014 #11
You don't have to actually get it done jeff47 Nov 2014 #13
A reason to vote for something that can never be upaloopa Nov 2014 #14
Voting against all odds, to many, is called standing on principle, branford Nov 2014 #23
You make a good case but I upaloopa Nov 2014 #25
The thing is.. We did.. It's not us we are talking about... SomethingFishy Nov 2014 #118
And how did they manage with a fully Dem congress? Dems2002 Nov 2014 #30
+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! WillyT Nov 2014 #42
I have nothing more to add upaloopa Nov 2014 #44
"wimps who are terrified of pissing off the monied interests more than the people" DING DING DING! L0oniX Nov 2014 #90
I can't reply it doesn't deserve a reply. upaloopa Nov 2014 #9
didn't not vote ever4lasting Nov 2014 #18
We have a republican Congress that upaloopa Nov 2014 #26
The GOP ensures government can't work, and when it doesn't ... JoePhilly Nov 2014 #127
Or you quit doing.. sendero Nov 2014 #52
and because less of them were disenfranchised noiretextatique Nov 2014 #119
Nothing is more pathetic than wannabe leaders who complain that the led are not following. nt bemildred Nov 2014 #16
You got that right! n/t markpkessinger Nov 2014 #76
So Russ Feingold Lost in 2010 because his "product" just wasn't "selling" ? JI7 Nov 2014 #17
Not at all -- that would be the logical fallacy of illicit transference . . . markpkessinger Nov 2014 #111
BS that was a good question for your position treestar Nov 2014 #147
I was wondering when someone was going to bring his name up in 1 of these threads. Major Hogwash Nov 2014 #122
Agree, but turn out is the big reason why the Republican's won. davishenderson265 Nov 2014 #19
No doubt . . . markpkessinger Nov 2014 #48
This shows a complete ignorance of voting patterns in America Johonny Nov 2014 #21
Apparently, poor conservative whites came out in sufficient numbers for the Republicans. branford Nov 2014 #24
I think the mid-term base changed after 1994 LeftInTX Nov 2014 #43
Good point. Rush's echo chamber on the radio from the late 80s helped them a lot in 1994. Major Hogwash Nov 2014 #121
Those are good points, in my opinion. nt ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #131
Most people barely knew there was an election, people under 35 dont randys1 Nov 2014 #29
Yep...it's not the same as us here obsessing about politics LeftInTX Nov 2014 #32
Hell, I asked a guy making MW if he was gonna vote to raise it, he had no clue randys1 Nov 2014 #33
Getting folks to turn out for Presidential elections is usually much easier . . . markpkessinger Nov 2014 #34
But think of it this way: We simply made a crappy movie and no one wanted to stand in line to see it stupidicus Nov 2014 #35
Let me put it another way . . . markpkessinger Nov 2014 #38
Awful analogy. rury Nov 2014 #39
As branford stated earlier in this thread . . . markpkessinger Nov 2014 #40
'Sold' like any other product? So our principles are reduced to business terms now? randome Nov 2014 #70
Oh please . . . . markpkessinger Nov 2014 #75
^This^ is why we are not winning more elections. Curmudgeoness Nov 2014 #175
Yeah, the Environment in Crisis with Global Climate Chance isn't enough to get these whiners out of Cha Nov 2014 #106
Brecht says it best MisterP Nov 2014 #41
An aceint adage erlewyne Nov 2014 #46
This should be a part of reasoning for voting, for the members,of Congress who Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #51
I have not advocated, in any way, for anyone not to vote . . . markpkessinger Nov 2014 #53
Let me say I have not listed you as being an advocate foe not voting, I am Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #94
I never offered any excuses for anyone's decision not to vote . . . markpkessinger Nov 2014 #104
Let me say this, I am in the autumn of my life, I have voted all of my life, Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #109
The voters showed up... Spazito Nov 2014 #57
63.4, actually. Sorry, it bothers me. randome Nov 2014 #67
Oops, you're right, it bothers me as well... Spazito Nov 2014 #71
I have finally learned there is no difference between a voter who gives up and a President ... DrBulldog Nov 2014 #58
a symptom...but what is the disease? ollie4 Nov 2014 #61
The disease is... blackspade Nov 2014 #82
they are selling us a hatful of shit and claiming it's a chocolate cake yurbud Nov 2014 #63
You may have a vision problem if all you can see is shit. randome Nov 2014 #66
ask a K-12 teacher what they see. Obamacare did some good, but a lot of the good is done only when yurbud Nov 2014 #98
I don't think so tooeyeten Nov 2014 #64
The issue of taking personal responsibility for one's civic duty . . . markpkessinger Nov 2014 #80
Scolding? tooeyeten Nov 2014 #112
Appropriate perhaps. But helpful? n/t markpkessinger Nov 2014 #113
Absolutely tooeyeten Nov 2014 #115
It's always someone else's fault, isn't it? randome Nov 2014 #65
Who would the "someone else" be? markpkessinger Nov 2014 #79
I agree 100% that the party needs better messaging. randome Nov 2014 #125
Epic irony. Marr Nov 2014 #137
All the Democratic junk mail I got made them seem like scam artists. Kablooie Nov 2014 #73
"We suck less than the other guy" is not a good motivator for voters. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #81
Spot on! n/t markpkessinger Nov 2014 #89
I'd bet that a lot of people were not voting FOR Republicans but AGAINST Democrats. Kablooie Nov 2014 #103
Yep. It's classic "throw the bums out!" behavior. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #105
Yep, they couldn't vote against Obama himself who they were conditioned to hate... cascadiance Nov 2014 #140
You are right, which is why I won't read these posts Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #84
I wish I could recommend this post a hundred times... I hate liars Nov 2014 #85
Only if you view candidates as a product and not a servant. joshcryer Nov 2014 #86
When they are elected they are (or are supposed to be) servants . . . markpkessinger Nov 2014 #88
No, they are servants. The mass media makes a product. joshcryer Nov 2014 #91
People do this all the time quaker bill Nov 2014 #92
Well said. Thank you! markpkessinger Nov 2014 #97
solutions,solutions and more solutions aspirant Nov 2014 #124
There is always good reason for some introspection quaker bill Nov 2014 #128
They showed up. Their votes weren't counted. ucrdem Nov 2014 #116
I agree...it is foolish hubris noiretextatique Nov 2014 #120
The problem was largely turnout, but it's not the party that should blame the voters, hughee99 Nov 2014 #123
So minimum wage increases weren't worth showing up for? Marijuana legalization wasn't worth showing Chathamization Nov 2014 #129
I hope someone fredamae Nov 2014 #130
How did gerrymandering affect Senate and gubernatorial races? branford Nov 2014 #133
In texas, where you could legally use hunters license to vote but not a student ID... cascadiance Nov 2014 #136
I fully support efforts to oppose voter suppression, branford Nov 2014 #149
I'm not conceding that we should have voter ID... cascadiance Nov 2014 #155
My point was not to support voting ID requirements branford Nov 2014 #162
The party did not lose this election randr Nov 2014 #132
It's actually funny to me that the self-described "reality-based community" is arguing with you. Marr Nov 2014 #134
Rahm Emanuel calling liberals "f-ing retarded" epitomizes a symptom of blaming the voters disease... cascadiance Nov 2014 #135
I would think you would not believe it involved selling something treestar Nov 2014 #138
The party has not made it clear that there is a meaningful advantage to voting for Dems. Marr Nov 2014 #143
Why does the party have to do that? treestar Nov 2014 #148
Because it wants... votes? Marr Nov 2014 #153
Gee, I think they probably do that treestar Nov 2014 #157
Yeah helping to "fast track" American job destroying TPP behind closed doors helps get votes huh? cascadiance Nov 2014 #158
Can you Orthodox Dems get your position straight at least? BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #156
How about you provide evidence that more progressive and leftist candidates branford Nov 2014 #165
It's not about one election. Marr Nov 2014 #170
"Pro-working class" is an expression without meaning branford Nov 2014 #176
If you really think that phrase has no meaning, then I'm not surprised you're Marr Nov 2014 #177
Actions speak louder than words. branford Nov 2014 #178
That's what hammering out a party platform is about. Marr Nov 2014 #179
It's more than just general platitudes in our platform. branford Nov 2014 #180
I didn't say the party would be more successful if it was both more socially and fiscally liberal. Marr Nov 2014 #181
It's also like CDC's Tom Frieden blaming nurses for spreading Ebola. When DWS and whereisjustice Nov 2014 #160
You should be DNC chair MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #164
The symptom is apathy. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2014 #166
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Nov 2014 #167
Exactly. Android3.14 Nov 2014 #168
The mating habits of rodents was talked about often here IronLionZion Nov 2014 #172
K & R ctsnowman Nov 2014 #174
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