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Can I a K..an I.. a C.. another K!? KICK! Cha Nov 2014 #1
Look, this news has Cha sputtering almost incoherently! ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2014 #7
No, that's just my normal sputtering! Cha Nov 2014 #11
Good! Now if they could just stop all the toxic air coming from Russia, we just might get a handle William769 Nov 2014 #2
Yeah, the toxic Hot air coming Cha Nov 2014 #5
Hmm...'Kochsters'.... Segami Nov 2014 #3
Au contraire, Segami.. It's the Billionaire Climate Change Deniers Club.. :( Cha Nov 2014 #9
China just said they won't Peak until 2030 FreakinDJ Nov 2014 #77
That was my take away as well. GummyBearz Nov 2014 #104
Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #132
In int'l news the last couple of weeks, there has been uneasiness about the pollution popping up Hestia Nov 2014 #166
The article is clear on what the US is doing to reduce emissions... woolldog Nov 2014 #4
Indeed. Great news. But with China, how do we trust but verify? eom BP2 Nov 2014 #6
Hey BP.. I'll give this link to you that I posted to wooldog on China.. thanks Cha Nov 2014 #17
There's nothing to verify Yupster Nov 2014 #109
What China does depends a lot upon us. earthside Nov 2014 #13
Exactly. nt SunSeeker Nov 2014 #156
With all the grumbling from the populace about the air pollution that is out of control Hestia Nov 2014 #170
From the link of John Kerry's OP in the NYT, wooldog Cha Nov 2014 #14
Not even that, it gave a number on US reduction that comes with magic beans as the answer to how. TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #87
Whoa! Really? Independent_Liberal Nov 2014 #8
Consider yourself pinched, Independent_Liberal! :) Cha Nov 2014 #21
That's certainly a good thing mythology Nov 2014 #10
I have no doubt about it. lpbk2713 Nov 2014 #15
I'm thinking they'll be fuming like the billionaire Kocksters who fund Anti-Climate Change will Cha Nov 2014 #24
We will get fucked on this Go Vols Nov 2014 #12
We'll see, Go Vols I'm gonna be optimistic! Cha Nov 2014 #26
Good luck getting it through the Senate NT Ex Lurker Nov 2014 #16
I'm thinking Executive Order, Ex Lurker. Cha Nov 2014 #27
EOs have nothing to do with treaties. former9thward Nov 2014 #34
So the voters who stayed home can have this as their first sign of what they could have had treestar Nov 2014 #116
Great news Cha! sheshe2 Nov 2014 #18
I love John Kerry's OP in the NYT today, too, on this, she.. Cha Nov 2014 #30
I've always believed cilla4progress Nov 2014 #62
I like how you've put that, cilla.. Mahalo!.. Cha Nov 2014 #65
Not bad for a so-called lame duck who doesn't love the planet as much as Nixon. Ykcutnek Nov 2014 #19
Ye Ha! Well done, Ykcutnek! Cha Nov 2014 #28
Excellent riposte, Ykcutnek! freshwest Nov 2014 #29
Great to see this Cha!! This historic moment kind of out of the blue flamingdem Nov 2014 #20
Outta the Beautiful Blue.. had poetically said, flamingdem! Cha Nov 2014 #33
I love this especially when the Repubs are attempting to erase flamingdem Nov 2014 #22
They can scrub and scrub and scrub, flamingdem.. they ain't Cha Nov 2014 #35
yeah but, i heard he was like, OMG, chewing gum and stuff. KMOD Nov 2014 #23
Yeah, we hear a lot things and then there's Cha Nov 2014 #37
LOL.. sorry, I didn't know what you were talking about.. Cha Nov 2014 #76
Such B.S. If Nixon was alive and President, he would have.... rufus dog Nov 2014 #25
But he couldn't bring back to life the half million people he killed in Laos and Cambodia... freshwest Nov 2014 #31
And, he wouldn't be such a racist bigoted piglet, either. Cha Nov 2014 #39
Kick and rec! N/t zappaman Nov 2014 #32
Mahalo, zappaman! Everything is cool on the Islands right now.. Cha Nov 2014 #40
Ha! zappaman Nov 2014 #41
Backatcha! Cha Nov 2014 #44
Not to burst any bubbles, drm604 Nov 2014 #36
The only real hope is that we work with states to get this done. But then that is also bad news. Rs jwirr Nov 2014 #43
It may not have to karynnj Nov 2014 #45
Mahalo for that enlightment on how it can and is being done, karyn Executive Orders already issued Cha Nov 2014 #49
Call me crazy, drm.. I'm thinking EO like these Executive Orders on our Climate Change.. Cha Nov 2014 #47
Me thinks the Pentagon reports declaring climate change a threat to natl. security Ykcutnek Nov 2014 #48
Wonderful News! Liberal Lolita Nov 2014 #38
Lets Hope it's not too late for our Planet, Liberal Lolita! Cha Nov 2014 #54
This is great but I do not see how we are going to accomplish this with the crazies in the Senate jwirr Nov 2014 #42
There are other ways.. jwirr.. Cha Nov 2014 #56
That is good. I thought about the state levels. Even in Iowa the fields are full of wind machines jwirr Nov 2014 #106
I don't agree that this is a game-changer. Just words LittleBlue Nov 2014 #46
^THIS^ Old Nick Nov 2014 #50
OTOH, China is not located on Planet Mars... Amonester Nov 2014 #53
This is a huge game changer, folks KMOD Nov 2014 #51
Perfect, KMOD.. I was looking for something like that with Eyore.. just last week! Cha Nov 2014 #58
That's the only mode for some people alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #99
So, do we support fast-track on this, or distrust Obama again? Hoyt Nov 2014 #52
I say the former! Mahalo Hoyt~ Cha Nov 2014 #60
Mahalo back Cha. Hoyt Nov 2014 #67
KICK! REC! BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2014 #55
Mahalo Blanche! Cha Nov 2014 #63
*mwah* BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2014 #113
K & R! Iliyah Nov 2014 #57
Mahalo Iliyah~ Cha Nov 2014 #66
Sounds great!!!! JDPriestly Nov 2014 #59
As John Kerry says in the link in the OP.. it's a start.. Cha Nov 2014 #68
Kickety Kickety kickety pop! Hekate Nov 2014 #61
I did not know that, Hekate! LOL Cha Nov 2014 #70
And I've gotta say it, if no one else will: cilla4progress Nov 2014 #64
You know he's Happy, Cilla! Who wouldn't be?! Oh I Cha Nov 2014 #71
I can give a little bit of a perspective from the point of view of China davidpdx Nov 2014 #69
Thank you for your perspective, david! This is a huge deal as Kerry says.. Cha Nov 2014 #72
So, now even China is on board. Now watch the Republicans sabotage it world wide wally Nov 2014 #73
Oh, they'll try.. Kochsters want a dirty Planet.. but, I'm thinking there's ways around it noted in Cha Nov 2014 #74
They'll revert to Red-Baiting. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #186
President Obama and Chinese President Xi Jinping met today in Beijing. Ju Peng/Xinhua/ZUMA TY! Cha Nov 2014 #75
Working and chewing gum at the same time.. lol Cha Nov 2014 #78
~ sheshe2 Nov 2014 #107
President Obama is Pressing ON, she! Cha Nov 2014 #146
Yes he is my dear Cha! sheshe2 Nov 2014 #150
This is good news malaise Nov 2014 #79
Mahalo malaise.. it's a great start for the US and China to work together on Global Climate Change! Cha Nov 2014 #80
Really encouraging news! RiverLover Nov 2014 #81
Yes it is, RiverLover! Cha Nov 2014 #82
President Obama in the 2012 Campaign Cha Nov 2014 #83
Where's the deal? The2ndWheel Nov 2014 #84
Your predictable, pathetic attempt to trash this is noted and discarded.. Cha Nov 2014 #85
Just going by history is all The2ndWheel Nov 2014 #88
Yeah, well, in those thousands of years... good things do happen. Cha Nov 2014 #90
Yeah, but those good things always come at a cost The2ndWheel Nov 2014 #96
Yeah, yeah, yeah.. Nothing worth it comes easy. Cha Nov 2014 #144
"What happens when 3 hour meeting becomes a 5 hour one?" Cha Nov 2014 #86
Call me a lame duck will you? nt bemildred Nov 2014 #89
"Media: How does it feel to be a lame duck?".. strutting their pressitute feathers.. Cha Nov 2014 #91
It's going to be an interesting two years. nt bemildred Nov 2014 #92
Oh yes, not your average "lame duck". Cha Nov 2014 #93
Excellent news - TBF Nov 2014 #94
I sure do hope all goes swimmingly with the Global Climate pact between the United States Cha Nov 2014 #95
I read an article on FB TBF Nov 2014 #97
The devil is in the details Takket Nov 2014 #98
2030. Am I missing something? lonestarnot Nov 2014 #100
No, you are not pediatricmedic Nov 2014 #108
Putin made him do it. JoePhilly Nov 2014 #101
it's only a "game changer" when the game is actually changed. Javaman Nov 2014 #102
Reducing emissions "below 2005 levels" doesn't impress me. Not going to save the planet. Orsino Nov 2014 #103
Exactly, Orsino! Cha Nov 2014 #152
K&R raouldukelives Nov 2014 #105
"without imposing new restrictions on power plants or vehicles"??? What does that mean? grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #110
It means lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #112
Do I understand this correctly? lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #111
K & R, Mahalo Cha mahina Nov 2014 #114
Yes, it is, mahina.. China's on board.. easier to deal with China than US recons. Cha Nov 2014 #153
The pollution is finally getting to China treestar Nov 2014 #115
K&R for excellent news! mcar Nov 2014 #117
Too little too late Android3.14 Nov 2014 #118
+1 nt Javaman Nov 2014 #119
"We can't do anything with the environment when we have a black President." WTF!? We already have. Cha Nov 2014 #161
Should have used the old sarcasm thingy Android3.14 Nov 2014 #163
Sorry, Android! I didn't recognize you as someone who was being sarcastic.. and that is my BAD! Cha Nov 2014 #164
To phrase it another way, China agrees to only continue to make their own polution problem worse hughee99 Nov 2014 #120
Exactly nt Crabby Appleton Nov 2014 #128
This was a trade negotiation. China won. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #137
Just in time for a Republican Senate that can veto and torpedo KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #121
These are promises from a lame-duck Democratic President that has zero pull with Congress. rhett o rick Nov 2014 #122
He's doing his job. Now let's do ours. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #124
Of course not, how absurd. I am not going to get my hopes up over empty rhetoric. He fooled me once rhett o rick Nov 2014 #138
So he's blamed when he doesn't take strongly liberal positions True Blue Door Nov 2014 #139
Please, please don't put words into my mouth. I appreciate it when he speaks out for rhett o rick Nov 2014 #141
But if he spoke out about fracking, wouldn't you just have the same attitude? True Blue Door Nov 2014 #143
Yes, he would.. that's the poster's purpose. Thank you, True Blue Door Cha Nov 2014 #148
If he spoke out about fracking it would be quite a turnaround because he has rhett o rick Nov 2014 #167
It's not an exaggeration to say this is the Greenest US administration in history. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #168
If you are saying that I am not easily satisfied, I will agree. While some here wallow in the rhett o rick Nov 2014 #172
I say again: Greenest administration in US history. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #175
Mahalo True Blue Door! Cha Nov 2014 #199
Nailed it Number23 Nov 2014 #179
Can we blame Obama for getting it negotiated? Deny and Shred Nov 2014 #131
I am not blaming Obama. But words are cheap. rhett o rick Nov 2014 #140
No argument here Deny and Shred Nov 2014 #193
You make a good point. This will put pressure on the Republicans. Now I'd like to see rhett o rick Nov 2014 #194
Wake me when that happens. I'll hold my breath. Deny and Shred Nov 2014 #196
Oh how freaking predicable.. wahwahwah.. all you can do whine about good news with China on board? Cha Nov 2014 #147
Predictable isn't even the word. This is being hailed as HUGE news througout Asia and the Pacific Number23 Nov 2014 #176
"US-China climate deal: at last, a real game-changer on emissions" " .. Cha Nov 2014 #178
And while the naysayers -- "left" and right -- wail and gnash, the praise keeps on coming Number23 Nov 2014 #191
"UN praises China, US for ‘highly significant’ announcement on emissions cuts" Excellent addition Cha Nov 2014 #192
The M$M media is about to start criticizing Dopers_Greed Nov 2014 #123
Bank it.. criticizing and whining. Cha Nov 2014 #162
Change has to happen on the individual level... americannightmare Nov 2014 #125
I agree with this post Travis_0004 Nov 2014 #201
Total agreement! Sorry I didn't see your thread, Travis Cha Nov 2014 #202
The TPP and Keystone will undo any deal agreed upon. JRLeft Nov 2014 #126
What effect do either of those have on emissions? Recursion Nov 2014 #177
Thank you Cha for the good news. lovemydog Nov 2014 #127
Indeed!! kentuck Nov 2014 #129
Very short on meaningfull actions One_Life_To_Give Nov 2014 #130
We'll see.. China's on board now.. more than a few actually think that's Huge. Cha Nov 2014 #173
K&R to both parts! !! mylye2222 Nov 2014 #133
Yeah, good luck with that. Blue_In_AK Nov 2014 #134
Naomi Klein has some great things to say about this: lovemydog Nov 2014 #135
Brilliant lovemydog! Naomi Klein lays it all out.. talk about "good timing".. I do know that the Cha Nov 2014 #155
Personal observation: most people are sadly addicted to stupid and shitty news. lovemydog Nov 2014 #136
Bump for huge news - by far the most important story of the day, week, month and maybe year. lovemydog Nov 2014 #142
Well Done, lmd! It would have been HUGE in the USmedia if Nixon would have clinched it!!!!!! Cha Nov 2014 #160
I am not surprised. hifiguy Nov 2014 #145
Interesting! Mahalo for your perspective, hifiguy! The repubs were always saying it won't do any Cha Nov 2014 #165
very good news arely staircase Nov 2014 #149
Sure it is tell the repubs in congress upaloopa Nov 2014 #151
NOW, CAN THE CHINESE AND US SURVIVE UNTIL THE BEFITS OF THE CLIMATE TREATY START? drynberg Nov 2014 #154
Right. Fuck it. Let's not do anything! SunSeeker Nov 2014 #157
It's A Gamechanger because We finally have China on Board.. Thanks Obama! Cha Nov 2014 #169
Because it is.. to those who know how significant it is. Cha Nov 2014 #200
Sweet. More retiring coal plants for gas plants, which means more fracking. TransitJohn Nov 2014 #158
A good start. nt SunSeeker Nov 2014 #159
A damn good start, SunSeeker! China could still be ignoring it like the US gopolluters. Cha Nov 2014 #174
Worse, U.S. gopolluters are spending millions trying convince everyone it doesn't exist. SunSeeker Nov 2014 #181
Billion$! I heard! The Chinese are smarter than US GOPolluters. Cha Nov 2014 #183
He tried to get a deal at Copenhagen, back in 2009, but Climategate scotched that plan. ucrdem Nov 2014 #171
Mahalo for that history, ucr.. Assange had a hand in scortching Copenhagen?!!! Cha Nov 2014 #182
Bumping for the night owls. lovemydog Nov 2014 #180
Mahalo lovemydog.. it's really night owlish now! Cha Nov 2014 #185
Hoo? Hoooo is a night owl? lovemydog Nov 2014 #189
Yay once more flamingdem Nov 2014 #184
Yes. Of course, they'll be cynical again in about lovemydog Nov 2014 #187
I really had gone into despair about this flamingdem Nov 2014 #188
Me too flamingdem. Hope is the thing with feathers lovemydog Nov 2014 #190
So, China says shit won't decrease until maybe 2030 and that is a gamechanger? joeglow3 Nov 2014 #195
K&R nt Andy823 Nov 2014 #197
Mahalo Andy! Cha Nov 2014 #198
Kick for the Planet! Cha Nov 2014 #203
Yes a Gamechanger Cha Nov 2014 #204
K4Planet Cha Nov 2014 #205
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