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dawg

(10,610 posts)
88. We already live in that America.
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:48 PM
Nov 2014

The American electorate hates liberals. They've had that drilled into them for fifty years.

But 90% of them don't really understand the policy issues that liberals and conservatives argue about. On issue after issue, the American people support liberal positions, just not liberal politicians.

Sadly, they mostly just want to vote for a tall, rich, white, straight, Christian man with a happy-looking family. Rather than learn all the details of the issues, they take the easy way out, and vote for the kind of guy they trust. And that is the kind of guy they trust and feel confident with.

We have to burn through those prejudices. But it is a serious mistake to think the electorate is conservative on the issues, when, actually, they vote more on their "gut feel" than anything.

We need to find a way of giving them a better "gut feel" about us, without compromising any of our principles in the process.

Brilliant!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! nt. NCTraveler Nov 2014 #1
Wow. Really dumb post. HERVEPA Nov 2014 #2
+1000 lobodons Nov 2014 #124
plus Google on op. roguevalley Nov 2014 #162
You are way too kind amuse bouche Nov 2014 #139
Yes, I'm often accused of that. :-) HERVEPA Nov 2014 #144
I've seen some moronic thoughts posted by so called Dems amuse bouche Nov 2014 #167
There is an intersection between the two sites. HERVEPA Nov 2014 #207
You left off your reasoning. nm rhett o rick Nov 2014 #191
Not really Warpy Nov 2014 #201
There are many reasons to not vote for Hillary. Many. What her child does is not one of them. Autumn Nov 2014 #3
Her child does nothing except serve as a conduit for money-for-access. nt Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #13
They are all members of a select club. What Hillary's daughter does is of no consequence to me. Autumn Nov 2014 #15
Chelsea hasn't succeeded at squat. She got favorable treatment because she is the scion of royalty. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #23
Exactly what I said, any Presidents or politician child gets then same favorable treatment, Autumn Nov 2014 #27
You and I are almost on the same page. What you lay on Chelsea, I lay on Hillary Autumn Nov 2014 #33
Fair 'nuff. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #36
Right back at you. So what shall we do about this mess we find ourselves in? Autumn Nov 2014 #43
For starters, people should stop treating Hillary as if she's inevitable and the best compromise. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #49
Those bold young visionaries? You explained exactly where they are Autumn Nov 2014 #64
We have Bernie Sanders who can put a stop to the Dustlawyer Nov 2014 #132
Are you serious? How long has Bernie been a member of Congress? Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #153
As a Senator, he is one of a 100, as POTUS he would Dustlawyer Nov 2014 #157
The POTUS is one branch and should be working with Congress to get issues accomplished. Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #181
He has relationships in the Senate galore and has/will compromise. They Bully Pulpit is Teddy Dustlawyer Nov 2014 #223
His message has not taken center stage since January 3, 1991, what would be the difference in 2016? Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #225
He has accomplished an enormous for the people who elected him in his own state. He actually IS a sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #232
What you said!!! It seems that many just want to poke holes at people at least trying to change the Dustlawyer Nov 2014 #235
Democratic corporatists are better than Republican ones treestar Nov 2014 #87
At one time I thought that also, I don't believe it anymore. Autumn Nov 2014 #100
I don't agree treestar Nov 2014 #75
AMEN! Duppers Nov 2014 #67
Amy Lynn Carter! Cosmic Kitten Nov 2014 #175
You're leaving out Amy Carter starroute Nov 2014 #17
Yes I did forget her and Reagans kids too. But any Presidents or politicians kids get the same Autumn Nov 2014 #22
Looks like she used that power for good treestar Nov 2014 #77
Megan McCain comes to mind. n/t Ineeda Nov 2014 #136
And 4 of FDR's 5 kids (one didn't make it to adulthood) ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #81
+++1000 nt kelliekat44 Nov 2014 #50
Follow the Money LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #4
That seems like an odd objection el_bryanto Nov 2014 #5
Superb BeyondGeography Nov 2014 #6
Whatever. lamp_shade Nov 2014 #7
I gave it a rec JustAnotherGen Nov 2014 #8
What an absurd post. still_one Nov 2014 #9
Absolutely! Children of celebrities becoming celebrities? This is ridiculous!!1! DetlefK Nov 2014 #10
Maybe they're just grateful to Bubba? merrily Nov 2014 #11
I don't care how servile and nepotistic the media is. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #12
One thing you left out. Obama is on board with Bush's crimes, the same one's you lay on Hillary . Autumn Nov 2014 #105
Outrageous lie. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #111
Problem is it's not a lie. It's not just his ""failure" to politically interfere" Autumn Nov 2014 #119
You are just making shit up. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #125
I never said one word about Executive Orders on anything , nice try Autumn Nov 2014 #149
So your stirring moral indictment of the President is that he nominated a guy True Blue Door Nov 2014 #158
Here's another link on torture for you. Just posted in GD. Autumn Nov 2014 #199
LOL, so your Brennan tack fell apart and now you're on to the next angle. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #203
I'll tell you in 1 word why I WILL vote for HRC ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #14
Bravo! asjr Nov 2014 #16
I thought about responding to the OP with a more substantive response; but ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #19
Then you approve of pay-for-play by proxy. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #32
I live in the real world. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #35
Generally the term "Progressive" implies a rejection of the status quo. nt Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #39
One can reject the status quo without launching quixotic missions ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #42
Is it as quixotic as voting for patronage and political insularity and then expecting reform? Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #44
Okay. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #69
If corporate patronage of the ruling elite is your only reality then, by gumption, you'll have it. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #238
One can reject the status quo without living in an alternate universe. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2014 #237
The Kennedys? Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #239
At least you're consistent DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2014 #240
Consistently factual. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #241
No, but since elections are choices... DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2014 #242
Yeah. Binary choices. 300 million people and all we can come up with is Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #243
I think you are being too rough on Chelsea. LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #48
I don't resent her as a person but I know a quid pro quo scheme when I see it. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #54
Yes, I see it too but it's her parents work more than hers, I believe. LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #63
good point treestar Nov 2014 #80
"Fucking around?" You mean sexually violating and harassing women. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2014 #94
Your last paragraph is everything that is wrong with this country. Autumn Nov 2014 #52
You said one word would keep you asjr Nov 2014 #60
He also could have aid "selling-out," although that is hyphenated. nt Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #70
No. It means he's realistic. ANYONE who is prominent enough to win the Presidency pnwmom Nov 2014 #65
By definition no one can be POTUS treestar Nov 2014 #84
And the children of Bernie and Elizabeth ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #86
Psst! I love 'em both, but you can't say that here! freshwest Nov 2014 #216
Dontchaknowit ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #217
After these midterm elections Sheepshank Nov 2014 #108
After this midterm, choosing to nominate Clinton is even more absurd. TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #173
I don't believe we were talking Primaries Sheepshank Nov 2014 #182
It will be the supporters of the Turd Way that are burying Democrats. They go there and they are TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #221
Yes, yes and hell yes! leftofcool Nov 2014 #18
I guess.. GummyBearz Nov 2014 #25
What part was that? eom. 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #37
The part GummyBearz Nov 2014 #68
Oh ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #71
And then, GummyBearz Nov 2014 #218
And what does ANY of that have to do with ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #219
uh, GummyBearz Nov 2014 #220
+100 ... n/t obnoxiousdrunk Nov 2014 #45
+1000. n/t pnwmom Nov 2014 #58
+1 treestar Nov 2014 #78
If she wins the primary, she will have my vote in the general because their nominee will be worse. Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2014 #106
Don't forget the USSC. Citizens United would not have happened if tblue37 Nov 2014 #184
But ... But ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #190
Jeb Bush is running, you can be sure of it. Let's talk about his kids... freshwest Nov 2014 #214
Correct. RedCappedBandit Nov 2014 #20
In a recent televised interview with Chelsea she said the hedge fund work was sketchy Nov 2014 #21
She, of course, gave away the money. Right? Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #26
lol - right? Just like that Lewis guy, "Liar's Poker", writing that memoir closeupready Nov 2014 #28
You keep upping your game. It is fantastic to watch!!!! nt. NCTraveler Nov 2014 #176
Now that's funny. LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #56
Aww ...I almost feel sorry for her ....NOT! L0oniX Nov 2014 #96
How nauseating. /nt Marr Nov 2014 #151
So the hedge fund work was Chelsea's teen rebellion sketchy Nov 2014 #24
The one word for me? Kissinger! nt Quackers Nov 2014 #29
^^THIS ^^ n/t librechik Nov 2014 #30
+1 Scuba Nov 2014 #31
+1 nt F4lconF16 Nov 2014 #183
I will add another - Blankfein. hifiguy Nov 2014 #189
I'll vote for Mussolini if ... dawg Nov 2014 #34
This. Every . Single . Time. pkdu Nov 2014 #47
And the thing is ... I *do* want a pony. dawg Nov 2014 #57
Then Sir , my hat is off to you. Wish there were more like you. pkdu Nov 2014 #73
We already live in that America. dawg Nov 2014 #88
ACRASIA pkdu Nov 2014 #38
Remind me what Chelsea did to merit her tens of millions of dollars as well as TV and magazine time. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #41
Seriously ? Chelsea Clinton is giving you a sad?....she is not on the ballot in 2016 , her Mom pkdu Nov 2014 #123
Becoming *exactly* like the other party IS self-defeating. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #134
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Nov 2014 #40
Wow, of all the things to criticize about Hillary hamsterjill Nov 2014 #46
Well said! mimi85 Nov 2014 #83
While that one isn't at the top of my list HereSince1628 Nov 2014 #97
Agree, but think your insults are a little off. deurbano Nov 2014 #171
You're correct. hamsterjill Nov 2014 #200
I can't even imagine what that would be like. deurbano Nov 2014 #208
Is this a warped version of condemning a child for the sins of the parents? longship Nov 2014 #51
original sin? hmmmm. very weird still_one Nov 2014 #53
This message was self-deleted by its author longship Nov 2014 #59
The argument in the OP is indeed weird. nt longship Nov 2014 #82
exactly. Criticize the candidate, but not the kid still_one Nov 2014 #89
I would rather be angry about the children of Kochs, Adlestein, and the banisters and the Wall Stree kelliekat44 Nov 2014 #61
She is 34 years old. longship Nov 2014 #76
Chelsea's fortunes are nothing more than a down payment for access to Hillary. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #104
Evidence please? longship Nov 2014 #115
What other 20-something gets to become a multi-millionaire fresh out of school with no experience? Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #131
Again. Irrelevant. And again, do you really want to inflict a child's sins upon a parent? longship Nov 2014 #137
What "sins" are you talking about? The only sin of the parent I'm alleging is Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #146
Bristol Palin OldRedneck Nov 2014 #150
And that just proves my point that the system is paying to protect itself rather than Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #168
Nuts! rock Nov 2014 #55
Perhaps in order to secure your vote the Democrats will nominate ... 11 Bravo Nov 2014 #62
Hah! There's the ticket! pnwmom Nov 2014 #66
What did Chelsea do to earn her millions? Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #74
thread win treestar Nov 2014 #91
Caroline Kennedy treestar Nov 2014 #72
That's how I felt about Joe Kennedy's kids. OilemFirchen Nov 2014 #79
Chelsea is not my reason bigwillq Nov 2014 #85
No more dynasties. JEB Nov 2014 #90
+1 L0oniX Nov 2014 #95
Yeah, because Chelsea is the only politician's kid to ever have her career-track skis greased Blue_Tires Nov 2014 #92
I didn't say she was the ony one. In fact, I'm saying she's part of a corrupt system. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #98
But still -- What Chelsea may or may not do with her life should have little to do with Blue_Tires Nov 2014 #103
Chelsea hasn't done anything with her life accept become a multi-millionaire so as to Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #107
So who is your choice for Dem nominee, then? Blue_Tires Nov 2014 #113
How dare you knock Chelsea, mother of the year! But, you do bring up a valid point. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2014 #93
Wow. Sheldon Cooper Nov 2014 #99
Another non-answer. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #102
I devoted as much time to it as I thought it deserved. Sheldon Cooper Nov 2014 #114
That's usually what you say when you run away. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #138
Do you have children? dilby Nov 2014 #101
uh huh Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #112
My mother barely finished High School. dilby Nov 2014 #122
That's ridiculous Brainstormy Nov 2014 #109
I'm sure she's a swell person but she's been showered with millions to buy access to mother. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #116
K & R plus 1000000000000000000000 Thespian2 Nov 2014 #110
such an incredibly dumb post. nt La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2014 #117
There are a myriad of good reasons for opposing Hillary. This ain't one of them. n/t RufusTFirefly Nov 2014 #118
I can think of LOTS of words for that besides 'Chelsea'. LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #120
This might be so bad it actually unites DU kcr Nov 2014 #121
Absolutely ridiculous. Who cares why you won't vote for her! nt michaz Nov 2014 #126
5 reasons why vote for Hillary lobodons Nov 2014 #127
huh/nt DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2014 #128
I'm sure the hungry, sick, poor, unemployed, dreamers, elderly... cry baby Nov 2014 #129
I think your main point is that the 1% expect something from Hillary, if she becomes POTUS. merrily Nov 2014 #130
You should have stopped with one word liberal N proud Nov 2014 #133
wow--the animosity you display towards this woman is, to say the least, a bit over the top, and, it niyad Nov 2014 #135
A rejection of greed, nepotism, patronage, insularity, undue excess, aristocracy -- but not persnal. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #142
whatever lets you sleep at night. niyad Nov 2014 #145
Which member of the Bush and Romney families is a Democratic nominee? Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #152
These are all valid criticisms. Dynasties suck. Orsino Nov 2014 #177
I disagree, kids and spouses should be left out of this debate. redstatebluegirl Nov 2014 #140
Chelsea, fresh out of college, would have to been managing $3BN in assets. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #143
There's nothing wrong with making the best of one's opportunities. lpbk2713 Nov 2014 #141
Were you dropped on your head at birth?? OldRedneck Nov 2014 #147
A good person who made $15 million fresh out of college in a business that MIGHT pay her 0.5% Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #148
Comparing Old Redneck's personal testimony and your screed: you come across as jealous and bitter Hekate Nov 2014 #154
No fresh-from-college grad gets to manage $3BN in assets. Let's not kid ourselves. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #163
Yeah, wasn't it a shame when Jimmy Carter's Grandson ran for Governor of Georgia? brooklynite Nov 2014 #155
Well, then. I'm convinced now. MineralMan Nov 2014 #156
I'll join you in your emoticon's hurling sketchy Nov 2014 #197
Jeb says thanks. n/t Orsino Nov 2014 #159
He'll be saying thanks even if Hillary wins. The aristocracy always protects its own. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #164
Well, he might be saying thanks from a different office. n/t Orsino Nov 2014 #174
How shallow. (nfm) SunDrop23 Nov 2014 #160
Do you believe that Hillary Clinton acts as she does because of favors shown to Chelsea? Jim Lane Nov 2014 #161
Do you believe an MBA with zero work experience would be given $3 billion to manage because Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #165
Those are different questions. Jim Lane Nov 2014 #187
"do you think Hillary would be doing anything different in terms of policy or politics?" Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #196
IWR Martin Eden Nov 2014 #166
I kinda agree obnoxiousdrunk Nov 2014 #192
Joe Biden did too Martin Eden Nov 2014 #213
Iraq DesMoinesDem Nov 2014 #169
Wow. That was unexpected. In an unrelated note, cheapdate Nov 2014 #170
If they stay out of politics, ok. Even the rumors of Jeb running are sickening. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #172
What would Lincoln have thought? One_Life_To_Give Nov 2014 #178
I gave you a rec Township75 Nov 2014 #179
I have also hit the post button when I shouldn't have. NCTraveler Nov 2014 #180
For someone who appears to take umbrage with an OP decrying political dynasties it is peculiar Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #185
Who is the other "political dynasy" I used as a defense? nt. NCTraveler Nov 2014 #188
John and Meghan McCain. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #194
Once again, how would it be a political dynasy if McCain ran again. NCTraveler Nov 2014 #195
I'll tell you in 1 word why I will. KamaAina Nov 2014 #186
Edgy!...nt SidDithers Nov 2014 #193
UNREC FSogol Nov 2014 #198
You're right. The Clintons are getting classic Tribute from the 1%.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2014 #202
And yet we get no rationale as to why we should embrace this sick system apart from Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #205
Just like Jenna on the Today Show! TheNutcracker Nov 2014 #204
My guess the one word was "Bengazi". You know more will come out after she is our nominee. TheNutcracker Nov 2014 #206
If it's dirt-digging they'll go all the way back to Whitewater and that time Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #209
You'll have to do better than that: muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #222
I don't necessarily agree with this OP. Puglover Nov 2014 #210
This thread seems like something you might have heard in gradeschool; under lumpy Nov 2014 #211
My word would be... NobodyHere Nov 2014 #212
Chelsea had every door opened to her, yet chose to be a hedge fund manager Adenoid_Hynkel Nov 2014 #215
Congratulations!!! NanceGreggs Nov 2014 #224
Not going to flame you. I'll just tell you that this is sad. (nt) stone space Nov 2014 #226
unrec. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #227
I'll tell you why I wouldn't vote: Congress Initech Nov 2014 #228
Chelsea is a non issue in this world of crazy stuff we need to be talking about. think Nov 2014 #229
TeaLeft nonsense. RBInMaine Nov 2014 #230
HDS bhikkhu Nov 2014 #231
She's the Caroline Kennedy of this generation. Smarmie Doofus Nov 2014 #233
Agree with your premise, but I don't see it as a good enough reaso to put a Republican in the White world wide wally Nov 2014 #234
huh/nt DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2014 #236
If you REALLY want an example of a sad, sick, diseased, cancerous system... baldguy Nov 2014 #244
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