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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #78)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 10:27 AM

189. Am I reading this correctly? ...

 

Are you really denying that, in the midst of a discussion(s) about whether serving stereotypic African-American foods, e.g., Fried Chicken, watermelon, etc., during "Black History Month" is celebratory or degrading, that you posted a transparently mocking post about traditional Jewish foods?

Really? And now you're saying that it was/is all a figment of our imagination? Really?

Well here:

You posted this (on Sun Feb 9, 2014, 09:27 PM):

http://election.democraticunderground.com/10024472335

Which followed this (Fri Feb 7, 2014, 10:50 AM) post:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1218111443

Where there was much back and forth about whether serving stereotypic foods, e.g., Fried Chicken, watermelon, etc., during "Black History Month" is celebratory or degrading.

And then when PoC, and others, stated they felt your "Any Goyim making untoward remarks about gefilte fish will be in big trouble" post was mocking and inappropriate ... you posted this (Mon Feb 10, 2014, 09:09 PM) apology:

took a slightly-risky swipe at the situation with a post last night celebrating Ashkenazi Jewish foods. Please know that was having fun with the situation, the back-and-forth between opposing points of view, rather than attacking either point of view. The fact is, I'm not sure where I stand on this. ...

While I'm not sure who's correct, I will say that my inclination is to not allow the bad guys to steal from us. A number of years ago, Republicans demonized the word "Liberal" so many Liberals started calling themselves "Progressives". I think that's a bad idea. We win by fighting, not by letting others claim whats ours.

In the case of my joking about Jewish foods, it struck me today that I was inadvertently being a little stupid (first time ever, right?), since my post could have been construed as "See black folks? I can have fun with foods that *my* people eat: why can't you?" But there's a reason that it's easier for me than for black folks: the Jewish experience in America has been unbelievably different than the Black experience. Jews have had some issues (e.g., the Italian Catholic kids used to beat on the Jewish kids when I grew up in Queens), but basically we've been as accepted into our nation about as smoothly as any other minority - perhaps even more smoothly than any other. Blacks, on the other hand, started off here with SLAVERY. @#$%ing SLAVERY. And for a century-and-a-half since that was over, they've suffered so many other depradations and degradations, terrible, terrible stuff. In their case, perhaps the pain is so great that it's best avoided rather than launching it back at the savages.

So, I apologize for my post. I should have been a bit more thoughtful.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024478358


I thought, at the time, it a sincere and self-reflective apology. I now have my doubts, as now you wish to re-write ... No, erase history. You apologized for something that you, once understood; but now wish to pretend didn't happen? What happened?

Come on, Manny ... do what your name says and Man the F@#% up!

You said it ... upon reflection, you recognized that it could, and was, taken as a mocking insult ... you apologized ... OWN IT!



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