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ellennelle

(614 posts)
38. boy, i do hear ya
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 03:08 PM
Dec 2014

however, i'm sure you are aware of anthony romero's, head of the aclu, plea to obama to pardon bush and cheney. and he lays out a compelling case.

a pardon at least establishes that these are crimes, and he points out that already there are loud noises that torture is ok and the report is wrong (we all know where to find those voices). so there would continue to be a 'debate' with a trial, whereas the pardon would just put at least an official lid on all that.

ma trial would also just stir up that ‘debate’ and allow those who claim it’s ok to get that ‘balanced’ voice out there. most importantly, there is always - especially with the legal team bush and cheney could put together - the chance they could walk. legally and officially. i mean, hell; OJ walked. money talks, loud.

and, last but not least, the pardon puts bush and cheney in such a delicious (or some other less inappropriate term) bind. think about that; what are they gonna do? reject it? then the admin is legally obliged to prosecute, or turn them over to the world court, to which we don’t even subscribe, so we’re legally bound by treaty to prosecute them ourselves. plus, not sure as they could actually reject it, especially without those consequences. accept it silently? that’s even more, erm, delicious.

i kinda like that last one. the image of especially cheney finally gagged forever from ever piping up for an interview or opinion that does not also put this chapter of his life front and center. that is truly delicious. and if they do pipe up, esp. dick, he will look even more churlish and nasty than he already is, to be biting the hands that freed him.

yup; i do believe i’m all in with this pardon. and it may well inform my position on nixon’s pardon, as well. giving it, ford established that what that particular dick did was wrong, too.

not the ideal result, but cleverly best for now.

and i'm impressed with romero for putting it out there; now if obama ignores it, he's complicit. which of course he already sorta is, despite his call to end torture. sadly, extra-judicial killings are also against international law.

We. Need. War crime. Trials. Period. [View all] McCamy Taylor Dec 2014 OP
We are either a nation of laws or one of men. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2014 #1
As with everything, it all depends The2ndWheel Dec 2014 #4
This country operates on the consent of the governed. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2014 #13
Always a good theory The2ndWheel Dec 2014 #25
The Supreme Court ruled that it operates on the consent of the wealthy. tclambert Dec 2014 #33
They're mistaken lumberjack_jeff Dec 2014 #34
I want EVERYONE involved tried. Any administration, at all levels Scootaloo Dec 2014 #2
+metoo! 2naSalit Dec 2014 #5
Second. hifiguy Dec 2014 #8
+ another Scuba Dec 2014 #31
Agree (nt) bigwillq Dec 2014 #36
public investigations of ALL of it Amishman Dec 2014 #40
Amen. woo me with science Dec 2014 #42
We. certainly. do. Thanks McCamy. nt Mnemosyne Dec 2014 #3
Like yesterday we need them. I've been waiting a long time for the trials. shraby Dec 2014 #6
K&R Solly Mack Dec 2014 #7
Without trials -- all the blah, blah. blah you're hearing today is just bullshit. n/t nichomachus Dec 2014 #9
I agree. Iggo Dec 2014 #10
I like and respect Chomsky a lot, don't get me wrong. But may I point out that KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #11
Chomsky was correct. Nixon fell from power because he attacked famous Americans. McCamy Taylor Dec 2014 #27
We don't need trials and usless washed and polished investigations . easychoice Dec 2014 #12
Worried about backlash? Why not seize Bush/Cheney and hand them over to Iran for prosecution? ncjustice80 Dec 2014 #20
Absolutely. calimary Dec 2014 #14
Failing that, there's an alternative. . . DinahMoeHum Dec 2014 #15
I am reminded of a Twilight Zone episode louis-t Dec 2014 #16
I get up every day Mira Dec 2014 #17
Excellent OP. TexasTowelie Dec 2014 #18
Yes, we lead by example. n/t WHEN CRABS ROAR Dec 2014 #22
K and R geardaddy Dec 2014 #19
I couldn't agree more. Cleita Dec 2014 #21
Let's Visualize! JawJaw Dec 2014 #32
In a just world, yes. War crimes tribunals. Enthusiast Dec 2014 #23
+1 Cleita Dec 2014 #24
But what about Jeb? Politicalboi Dec 2014 #26
The Bush Family IS the CIA. McCamy Taylor Dec 2014 #28
It is clear as daylight Aerows Dec 2014 #29
I can see it happening but it will take a few SC decisions and Congressional initiatives ucrdem Dec 2014 #30
We do need them, but..... zentrum Dec 2014 #35
They. Want. The War. Brought. Home. To. Us. truedelphi Dec 2014 #37
citation please ellennelle Dec 2014 #39
boy, i do hear ya ellennelle Dec 2014 #38
kick woo me with science Dec 2014 #41
I would pay to see Cheney on trial. blackspade Dec 2014 #43
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