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Ino

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73. Challenging that "probably 95%" statement...
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 06:39 PM
Dec 2014

One day I started thinking "There are all these cops who demand others do whatever they say, do it NOW, do it without question... who meet the slightest resistance or challenge with overarching force. Do they turn off that attitude when they go home?" I looked into that. Studies have shown that at least 40% of police officers engage in domestic violence (4 times the general population).
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/09/police-officers-who-hit-their-wives-or-girlfriends/380329/

As the National Center for Women and Policing noted in a heavily footnoted information sheet, "Two studies have found that at least 40 percent of police officer families experience domestic violence, in contrast to 10 percent of families in the general population. A third study of older and more experienced officers found a rate of 24 percent, indicating that domestic violence is two to four times more common among police families than American families in general." Cops "typically handle cases of police family violence informally, often without an official report, investigation, or even check of the victim's safety," the summary continues. "This 'informal' method is often in direct contradiction to legislative mandates and departmental policies regarding the appropriate response to domestic violence crimes." Finally, "even officers who are found guilty of domestic violence are unlikely to be fired, arrested, or referred for prosecution."


So that leaves only 60% who may be "good people." There are probably a fair amount with cushy jobs who spend their days writing tickets and are never really put to the test.

But how many of those 60% who ARE put to the test see wrongdoing by their fellow officers and say nothing, look the other way, lie to help them cover it up, do not report the wrongdoing to their superiors? Most of them, IMO. Maybe they are good cops who would never engage in brutality themselves, but they are well aware of the repercussions that ratting out their partners would have to themselves. So they would rather watch someone get beaten, tazed, shot, arrested, jailed, humiliated & ruined than speak up. Their cowardice and weak moral center make them complicit, accessories, perjurers. That makes them nearly as bad as the bullies. Other than that though, they are great people

There are precious few cops who speak up. A statistically insignificant amount.

Do you know some "good cops"? Friends or relatives? Ask them what they would do (or what a good cop would do) if one of their fellow officers started beating someone up without cause. Listen carefully. Do they look annoyed and attack you for asking? or start hedging around the question, i.e. "Well, the perp shouldn't resist... you don't know what it's like... no one would do that... you have to control the situation"? How many of them immediately, unequivocally say, "I would stop him... I would report him"? Precious few.
No one is denying the need to be outraged. randome Dec 2014 #1
Completely disagree marym625 Dec 2014 #2
I think blame should be better targeted. randome Dec 2014 #3
If I knew the names of every police officer marym625 Dec 2014 #4
Case in point. Feral Child Dec 2014 #5
Well said! n/t marym625 Dec 2014 #13
Thanks! Feral Child Dec 2014 #63
Thanks for this post LeftOfWest Dec 2014 #18
Thanks for both comments. Feral Child Dec 2014 #62
I was never a cop. No idea where you got that from. randome Dec 2014 #65
Oh, perhaps I'm mistaken. Feral Child Dec 2014 #66
It most definitely was not me. randome Dec 2014 #76
Then I apologize for my assumption. Feral Child Dec 2014 #101
AMEN, nt Ligyron Dec 2014 #102
It's been an hour and forty minutes Feral Child Dec 2014 #70
Hey, it's Christmas. I'm busy. See my response above. randome Dec 2014 #77
How is that more productive marym625 Dec 2014 #92
What is that saying about All it takes for Evil to grow is for good men to do nothing. Bandit Dec 2014 #7
It's Edmund Burke marym625 Dec 2014 #10
How many of them have spoken out against the criminals among them? I know of one, sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #24
I named the only one I was positive about marym625 Dec 2014 #32
I included the Police Chief in the three I was thinking of. Here is a link to the sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #36
wow. that's some serious shit marym625 Dec 2014 #38
I'm sorry about your dad, that would indeed keep you from sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #39
I'm sure nothing happened to the corrupt cops marym625 Dec 2014 #42
The culture is corrupt from sea to shining sea. The desire to individualize at all times is a tactic TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #51
That would be all well and good if the people we were talking about SomethingFishy Dec 2014 #69
There's no dispute that we have a problem. randome Dec 2014 #79
You absolutely correct Mary. 99Forever Dec 2014 #6
Thank you, 99Forever marym625 Dec 2014 #11
So you believe in collective punishment? NaturalHigh Dec 2014 #8
It has nothing to do with collective punishment. Jappleseed Dec 2014 #9
Did I say they should all be punished? marym625 Dec 2014 #12
I continue to post in these threads... NaturalHigh Dec 2014 #14
And.... marym625 Dec 2014 #15
And... NaturalHigh Dec 2014 #19
I will accept that marym625 Dec 2014 #20
Nothing wrong with a good pun. NaturalHigh Dec 2014 #22
I am saying there are marym625 Dec 2014 #37
I forgot to say thank you marym625 Dec 2014 #40
We disagree on a lot of things, Mary... NaturalHigh Dec 2014 #72
Thank you marym625 Dec 2014 #80
That's like saying the German people who saw what was going on in Nazi justiceischeap Dec 2014 #27
Nazi Germany marym625 Dec 2014 #33
So What Have You RobinA Dec 2014 #67
I really resent replies like this marym625 Dec 2014 #75
95% ?!?!? A HERETIC I AM Dec 2014 #58
Challenging that "probably 95%" statement... Ino Dec 2014 #73
I continue to ask why are GOOD cops silent if they are so GOOD? rbrnmw Dec 2014 #16
Amen to that! marym625 Dec 2014 #17
You do know that police officers who are prosecuted for crimes... NaturalHigh Dec 2014 #21
recently very quiet they have been whining about how disrespected they are rbrnmw Dec 2014 #23
A bunch of white cops in Cleveland marym625 Dec 2014 #34
Fail... Ino Dec 2014 #74
Why are good Christians silent as the fundies take over the GOP and distort the religion? They are Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #29
Like the Muslims, they probably are not silent treestar Dec 2014 #54
You haven't challanged anything. You've complained. notadmblnd Dec 2014 #31
You did imply that because some cops are bad, that others have some duty treestar Dec 2014 #53
Bull marym625 Dec 2014 #57
Bravo. Ino Dec 2014 #82
and by the way marym625 Dec 2014 #60
Where are they? As I said above, I know of three so far. All of them have been villified sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #25
Sabrina, I don't think I've ever asked anyone to be silent about the bad ones. NaturalHigh Dec 2014 #26
Sorry if I misunderstood you then. I know there are good cops, but they do not have sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #28
But I noticed you didn't say anything about being "sick" of police violence......... socialist_n_TN Dec 2014 #45
about as stupid as saying you're all for killing unarmed people Skittles Dec 2014 #30
What? marym625 Dec 2014 #35
some DUers have been accused of supporting the deaths of unarmed folk Skittles Dec 2014 #41
What? marym625 Dec 2014 #43
yup Skittles Dec 2014 #47
I couldn't be more confused marym625 Dec 2014 #48
I can think of a few reasons why some would never say anything negative about cops. Rex Dec 2014 #44
What indifference to which victims? marym625 Dec 2014 #49
When I wonder why there isn't more outrage on this and other problems, sometimes LiberalElite Dec 2014 #46
Love Margaret Mead marym625 Dec 2014 #50
It is not a liberal value to hold people responsible for the actions of others treestar Dec 2014 #52
seems you're expanding on my post and putting words in my mouth marym625 Dec 2014 #55
there might be treestar Dec 2014 #71
I don't know what you think a liberal is marym625 Dec 2014 #78
Within the big picture of all problems we are facing ... JEFF9K Dec 2014 #56
Pretty high up there marym625 Dec 2014 #59
It ranks FAR below overpopulation and the myriad problems associated with that. 20score Dec 2014 #61
Bad police practices need to be addressed ... JEFF9K Dec 2014 #64
This is a second civil rights movement. And it's very important. 20score Dec 2014 #68
Recent events involve less than 30 people. JEFF9K Dec 2014 #81
wow marym625 Dec 2014 #84
Ever hear of "reality?" JEFF9K Dec 2014 #85
Yes. You should try it sometime. marym625 Dec 2014 #87
I'm in it. JEFF9K Dec 2014 #90
No, not so much. marym625 Dec 2014 #91
That shows some serious misunderstanding of the 20score Dec 2014 #89
If you changed "police" to "Muslims" yoiur post would be right at home on Free Republic Lee-Lee Dec 2014 #83
yes. being a cop is exactly the same as being Muslim marym625 Dec 2014 #86
What you just wrote is insulting to the victims, 20score Dec 2014 #88
Nah, I don't see that at all. Cha Dec 2014 #97
Actually, this is more what we need to change the dialogue to: Initech Dec 2014 #93
We definitely need to include that in the conversation marym625 Dec 2014 #94
So does ALEC, they're just as dangerous as the NRA. Initech Dec 2014 #95
I think even more so marym625 Dec 2014 #98
There would be such progress if the Police Depts across our country recognized that illegal gun Cha Dec 2014 #96
Thank you, Cha marym625 Dec 2014 #99
I know what you mean about the fact that Chris Magnus is Gay and he and his Cha Dec 2014 #100
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