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Enough! Can we stop the divisive anti-TPP @#$%-stirring? [View all] MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 OP

And remember, this is 'Murika! You too can be part of that 0.1% someday. NutmegYankee Jan 2015 #1

+1000 !!!! orpupilofnature57 Jan 2015 #205

Have you noticed that ... NanceGreggs Jan 2015 #2

+1 Egnever Jan 2015 #9

The President is trying to keep the negotiations secret but there have been leaks. rhett o rick Jan 2015 #10

Have you noticed that... AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #16

Have you noticed the element of hysteria in their discourse lately? NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #25

I dare say "Hysteria Blvd" is a 2-way street. pampango Jan 2015 #84

That article is becoming a bit threadbare no? Union Scribe Jan 2015 #93

I'm comfortable with Krugman as a "human shield". pampango Jan 2015 #95

Krugman is "controlled opposition" Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #113

And Manny is going the wrong way down the boulevard! Major Hogwash Jan 2015 #180

Wrong-Way Manny! MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #194

Then REVEAL everything that is in it. If the opposition to it is 'wildly overblown', that sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #186

I wish all international negotiations were public - as Woodrow Wilson famously proposed. pampango Jan 2015 #198

Really? JDPriestly Jan 2015 #234

Thank you for your very imformed post, JD. I don't think there is much doubt sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #246

What exactly is "this atrocity" ... NanceGreggs Jan 2015 #30

Checkmate, liberals! beerandjesus Jan 2015 #39

I find it rather difficult ... NanceGreggs Jan 2015 #49

Then why are you chiming in on this thread? beerandjesus Jan 2015 #51

Well, if you know "plenty" about it ... NanceGreggs Jan 2015 #55

That's a cute gambit, pretending that I'm the one claiming some occult wisdom on the subject. beerandjesus Jan 2015 #57

It would seem obvious ... NanceGreggs Jan 2015 #65

Not playing any more beerandjesus Jan 2015 #66

I'm not on any "side". NanceGreggs Jan 2015 #69

You are most DEFINITELY on a side. stillwaiting Jan 2015 #85

Yes you are on a "side". 840high Jan 2015 #157

Here are three provisions Dem congressional members have exposed Oilwellian Jan 2015 #131

"Exposed". Do we know what that word *really* means? MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #139

Manny, please, I did not need that kind of exposure Oilwellian Jan 2015 #146

Crickets from the peanut gallery AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #160

I have responded to your inquiries at least twice as has another DUer upthread. LEAKS! sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #190

Given that nothing is finalized ... NanceGreggs Jan 2015 #269

SOP for the poster you replied to. grasswire Jan 2015 #230

By the way, you didn't answer my question. beerandjesus Jan 2015 #63

That's just the point. NanceGreggs Jan 2015 #67

"About the provisions of a treaty that have yet to be disclosed" AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #162

That's because THERE ARE NO ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #177

And there is no denial either AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #178

A river in Egypt called "ODS! ODS! RAND PAUL! RAND PAUL!" beerandjesus Jan 2015 #238

lol AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #239

Nobody knows, because it is secret treestar Jan 2015 #120

The fact they have to keep it secret AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #184

Even so, it will come out someday treestar Jan 2015 #204

Really ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #176

i find it difficult to understand how you know Ramses Jan 2015 #54

Oh, I know about the agreement itself. NanceGreggs Jan 2015 #74

You know it's a "Free Trade agreement," right? Scootaloo Jan 2015 #78

Even its opponents acknowledge it has little to do with "free trade" as tariffs are already low pampango Jan 2015 #87

Absolutely right, Scoot! Shemp Howard Jan 2015 #109

"free Trade" only means Free Capital.. Labor can go leap. . . .n/t annabanana Jan 2015 #129

Good point. Europe has solved that problem. Conservatives here rail against "open borders" liberals pampango Jan 2015 #136

The very fact that a trade "deal" is being kept secret from the public is whathehell Jan 2015 #100

Please check Thespian2 Jan 2015 #102

I think most of these anti-TPP posters treestar Jan 2015 #121

It was not good in the 90s JonLP24 Jan 2015 #248

Is that the only indicator? treestar Jan 2015 #249

They employed the most people JonLP24 Jan 2015 #251

then wouldn't the trade agreement treestar Jan 2015 #252

I'm not understanding what you're saying JonLP24 Jan 2015 #255

I guess the AFL-CIO is another "know-nothing" people too .... bread_and_roses Jan 2015 #128

Surely you know that our Representatives in Congress have been denied access to sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #188

You are not a serious person tkmorris Jan 2015 #42

No, I don't know the answers to those questions. NanceGreggs Jan 2015 #48

Look, the poster pulls the same clown act on every issue... grasswire Jan 2015 #231

The atrocity = the trade agreement AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #47

Oh, I am well aware ... NanceGreggs Jan 2015 #56

Why tie yourself in knots in denial? AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #60

Exactly what am I "denying"? NanceGreggs Jan 2015 #72

That the TTP sucks AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #75

How can I know that the TPP sucks ... NanceGreggs Jan 2015 #76

By reading the parts that have been made public AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #77

Exactly. Owl Jan 2015 #127

Obama will be fighting republicans on TPP more than he will Democrats. pampango Jan 2015 #92

In other words, there is a huge opportunity here to pull Republican voters over to the Democrats. w4rma Jan 2015 #155

True. Of course republicans look at this as a huge opportunity to pull Democratic voters over to pampango Jan 2015 #167

We have to BE right, in order to convince people we ARE right. And if Dems support this sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #192

That would imply that the republican majority is right in their opposition, while pampango Jan 2015 #206

Don't worry, if Corporations want this, there will be enough 'renegade' Republicans to help sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #211

So a majority of Democrats will support Obama on this? AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #156

Can't say they will, but they support him now. pampango Jan 2015 #161

A majority of Democrats support internationalization of financial deregulation? AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #163

I would hope they support the internationalization of financial regulation. pampango Jan 2015 #169

Deregulation, not regulation AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #170

Some information about "pampango" brentspeak Jan 2015 #235

Yes, because Republicans would want it to be as the market alone determined treestar Jan 2015 #253

There have been leaks out the wazoo, that is how we know. nt Mojorabbit Jan 2015 #52

Oh, "leaks". NanceGreggs Jan 2015 #59

Wikileaks AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #62

Well, you can't argue with a source like Wikileaks ... NanceGreggs Jan 2015 #70

Ah, so it's just a trick! AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #71

What's a trick? NanceGreggs Jan 2015 #73

Oh and Wikileaks AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #154

Hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!! Major Hogwash Jan 2015 #182

This post Capt. Obvious Jan 2015 #242

Wikileaks...Wikipedia...they're pretty much the same thing, right? QC Jan 2015 #279

She has nothing to Wikigize for Capt. Obvious Jan 2015 #280

Leaks, documents are far more than 'some people are saying'. But hey, if you sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #215

Have there been any leaks concerning the chapters on labor rights and environmental standards or pampango Jan 2015 #94

Damn, I really thought better of you than this. Katashi_itto Jan 2015 #81

Great on social issues. Not such a strong supporter on economic issues. It's a trend. nt stillwaiting Jan 2015 #86

Exactly! Like having social justice will make a difference when the country is impoverished beyond Katashi_itto Jan 2015 #88

It's called the 'Third Way®' AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #164

Liberal on social issues, rightist on economics. Libertarian, in other words. QC Jan 2015 #165

Why vote Republican, when you can vote 3rd way? Katashi_itto Jan 2015 #277

All of the greed, none of the guilt. QC Jan 2015 #278

"Disillusioning"? Puglover Jan 2015 #105

Well I was trying to be polite Katashi_itto Jan 2015 #116

Quiet, you! QC Jan 2015 #158

LOL! Puglover Jan 2015 #171

heh heh heh Capt. Obvious Jan 2015 #243

Sorry if you are disillusioned. NanceGreggs Jan 2015 #271

You can find info about it here: freedom fighter jh Jan 2015 #196

More, from Alan Grayson, who has seen it. freedom fighter jh Jan 2015 #207

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #175

IDK if the TPP can ever pass the smell test, but I tell you what we should do... randys1 Jan 2015 #227

Have you noticed that Sen Sanders and the progressive DEmocrats are against the TPP. rhett o rick Jan 2015 #22

Have YOU ever noticed ... NanceGreggs Jan 2015 #46

Yes, other democrats are very often non-progressive Scootaloo Jan 2015 #80

Sadly she doesn't have an argument against or for the TPP. Her attitude is "wait and see". rhett o rick Jan 2015 #225

Very nicely said, NG! yallerdawg Jan 2015 #183

I appreciate your polite response (except for the "and not with people who are too fuckin' stupid rhett o rick Jan 2015 #217

I have to use more than one post to cover all your rants. rhett o rick Jan 2015 #228

Obama abandoned his base on this one AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #64

Post removed Post removed Jan 2015 #83

Yes indeed...It's the tried and true formula that was used during the "cat food commission" outrage great white snark Jan 2015 #27

I HAVE noticed that some people will defend ANY POS policy ... 99Forever Jan 2015 #117

^^ grasswire Jan 2015 #232

+1, as usual ... n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #172

We do not know 'every detail. But we have had LEAKS thanks to Wikileaks again. sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #185

+1000nt Andy823 Jan 2015 #203

Prediction: NanceGreggs Jan 2015 #272

I don't claim to know the details of the negotiations or the deal. JDPriestly Jan 2015 #221

Herein lies the problem ... NanceGreggs Jan 2015 #270

I'm quite knowledgeable about the NAFTA court. I expect the TPP will have a similar court. JDPriestly Jan 2015 #273

"I'm quite knowledgeable about the NAFTA court." NanceGreggs Jan 2015 #274

No provisions have been agreed upon. Then why is Obama talking about fast track. JDPriestly Jan 2015 #275

I admire your passion ... NanceGreggs Jan 2015 #276

Because iti s being negotiated by a bunch of international corporations JDPriestly Jan 2015 #281

You might find this exchange on the TPP illuminating..... msanthrope Jan 2015 #254

I guess that's why UPS felt it had the right to sue Canada's Post ofc for hurting its profits RiverLover Jan 2015 #3

LOOK AT ME JI7 Jan 2015 #4

Yep. bravenak Jan 2015 #5

Ok, I'm looking at you, and I see you missing the point entirely. Was that what you wanted? nt Electric Monk Jan 2015 #8

Yes look at you. You who thinks that anyone dubious of the TPP are so only because they hate Obama. rhett o rick Jan 2015 #12

there is no division in the democratic party JI7 Jan 2015 #15

Really? You must be in denial. Do you think that H. Clinton and Sen Sanders are on the same rhett o rick Jan 2015 #18

what has that got to do with whether there is a division in the party JI7 Jan 2015 #20

These differences are huge. One side hates whistle-blowers, journalists and OWS. rhett o rick Jan 2015 #26

where is the evidence for this division ? as i said, people have always had differences JI7 Jan 2015 #29

This is no "difference of opinions", this is a difference in ideology. One side favors the 99% rhett o rick Jan 2015 #36

elizabeth warren doesn't seem to have different views from hillary on wars, defense spending JI7 Jan 2015 #41

Warren voted against arming "Syrian rebels" to fight ISIS MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #89

that isn't a sign of any huge divide JI7 Jan 2015 #123

+ ellenrr Jan 2015 #82

"no division" aspirant Jan 2015 #35

Spot on. Phlem Jan 2015 #150

LOL Oilwellian Jan 2015 #264

Right you are, Dr. Pangloss MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #19

Gor blimey! BubbaFett Jan 2015 #28

It's called the 'Third Way®' AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #68

Democrats are divided against the Democratic President RiverLover Jan 2015 #99

"there is no big ideological division" bwahahaha Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #106

LMFAO ...ok L0oniX Jan 2015 #168

Not in front of the Klingons, eh? sibelian Jan 2015 #250

I don't even think they support the TPP per se... beerandjesus Jan 2015 #32

"... only Democrats that identify as “liberal” strongly favor the idea (of 'fast track authority for pampango Jan 2015 #98

You conflate Obama supporters with Liberal, why? Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #114

That was a quote from the article. That liberals support 'fast track' for Obama while conservatives pampango Jan 2015 #135

Please post the "liberal" quote... Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #137

No problem. Here it is. pampango Jan 2015 #138

Thank You. Phlem Jan 2015 #152

Yep. Phlem Jan 2015 #148

Why? daleanime Jan 2015 #24

LOL, coming from you this is really funny! nt Logical Jan 2015 #130

Why should I look at you. You don't have anything to say about the subject. Jakes Progress Jan 2015 #145

The "Look at Me" seeker is the one who ... grasswire Jan 2015 #233

Third Way Manny, you are gifted. Faryn Balyncd Jan 2015 #6

Hey, hey don't go encouraging him. nm rhett o rick Jan 2015 #13

I, for one welcome our new trans-pacific overlords. Snarkoleptic Jan 2015 #7

lol - gold. nt daredtowork Jan 2015 #11

Once again you put me in a bind. Whether to rec TWM or not. In either case I won't rhett o rick Jan 2015 #14

Rec *and* alert MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #23

For some strange reason, my alert button won't work. I think I burned it out on your previous TWM rhett o rick Jan 2015 #31

Button doesn't work? MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #40

Well, without getting too conspiratorial and stirring up the anti-CT Possie, I think rhett o rick Jan 2015 #240

Three cheers for: Lifelong Protester Jan 2015 #17

+1 F4lconF16 Jan 2015 #79

It Tastes Great!!! DeSwiss Jan 2015 #21

A final solution for homelessness *and* hunger MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #96

"UPS and FedEx are doing just fine. ... It's the Post Office that's always having problems". NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #33

Click on the link in the OP and find out. nt MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #37

OK, I'll say it: he's a tool. Is there any anti-labor sentiment/action he hasn't signed on to? NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #44

He doesn't support hanging union organizers. QC Jan 2015 #166

America, fuck yeah! Roy Rolling Jan 2015 #34

Thank you Roy ----- pablo_marmol Jan 2015 #43

that's right. he is not even a democrat PowerToThePeople Jan 2015 #38

Hey! You're getting the hang of it!! RobertEarl Jan 2015 #45

This needs to be seen by the White House Ramses Jan 2015 #50

Our elected representatives have to claw their way in to take a look at the document. pa28 Jan 2015 #53

It's so obviously and clearly beyond corrupt that I have no idea how some don't oppose it. stillwaiting Jan 2015 #90

"Stakeholder" is starting to wear on my nerves, like "homeland" did. Buns_of_Fire Jan 2015 #103

I know the feeling. I always considered US citizens to be "stakeholders". pa28 Jan 2015 #144

They need to change it to "The Kittyland" AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #219

The centrists are vying for medals in Sophistry BrotherIvan Jan 2015 #58

+1 beerandjesus Jan 2015 #189

I think they think it's working BrotherIvan Jan 2015 #193

Good point. This thread could be used as a teaching tool: MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #201

Or a pitiful attempt at gaslighting BrotherIvan Jan 2015 #210

The smartest psychologist I know tells me that MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #212

Interesting BrotherIvan Jan 2015 #214

From someone who stirs divisive shit here three times a week JohnnyRingo Jan 2015 #61

Are you sure about that? Number23 Jan 2015 #187

Do you have any @#$%ing idea, any idea at all, of MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #199

Well said. Andy823 Jan 2015 #209

That goes without saying. And it won't be funny to see it when it happens. It will be just as sad Number23 Jan 2015 #224

Only three times a week? Andy823 Jan 2015 #208

Explain the recs then! nt Logical Jan 2015 #236

Explain why Manny demands people stop posting opposition. JohnnyRingo Jan 2015 #241

LOL, no he did not. His point was that people do not understand how bad TPP could be. nt Logical Jan 2015 #247

Well said. nt Bobbie Jo Jan 2015 #266

Great thread Manny! Union Scribe Jan 2015 #91

Post removed Post removed Jan 2015 #97

What the fuck Manny. I clicked the blue link in your OP, the USPS can't catch a break. Autumn Jan 2015 #101

+Yup BrotherIvan Jan 2015 #191

It's the AMERICAN PEOPLE who deserve a break! MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #200

K&R for pissing off the right people. SixString Jan 2015 #104

Well done, Manny. Brilliant post! (nt) Shemp Howard Jan 2015 #107

I knew there were some trolls on DU... gregcrawford Jan 2015 #108

Greg, take a deep breath. Shemp Howard Jan 2015 #111

Please see post #141 gregcrawford Jan 2015 #151

thou knowest not our Manny. . . . n/t annabanana Jan 2015 #132

That was good! Way to go, Manny! Enthusiast Jan 2015 #110

I guess you left out the sarcasm smilie upaloopa Jan 2015 #112

You are ctsnowman Jan 2015 #115

First time I've seen the negative comments about USPS. Kermitt Gribble Jan 2015 #118

Yup.. 99Forever Jan 2015 #119

no problem, Washington will make up for the job losses and poverty by demanding whereisjustice Jan 2015 #122

+1000 abelenkpe Jan 2015 #179

Taking jobs from other countries Progressive dog Jan 2015 #124

well done! G_j Jan 2015 #125

Excellent Manny! Owl Jan 2015 #126

This is your best piece yet, Manny Oilwellian Jan 2015 #133

JFC... Not Sure Jan 2015 #134

Every trade deal for the last 25 years gave just the imthevicar Jan 2015 #140

YA GOT ME, MANNY! gregcrawford Jan 2015 #141

Nah, it was Poe's fault MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #213

Your erudition is inspiring! gregcrawford Jan 2015 #244

Don't feel bad, my initial read was the same way. nt Logical Jan 2015 #237

Well-played, sir! MindPilot Jan 2015 #142

''BANKSTER'' in Vietnamese is ''LARRY SUMMERS'' Octafish Jan 2015 #143

Fuck the TPP and JEB Jan 2015 #147

The Colbert of DU strikes again. mmonk Jan 2015 #149

LMAO Bobbie Jo Jan 2015 #159

K&R! Phlem Jan 2015 #153

All your base are belong to us. L0oniX Jan 2015 #173

OP article also praises Darrell Issa for leaking the draft chapter flogged by Jules and others: ucrdem Jan 2015 #174

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Jan 2015 #181

This message was self-deleted by its author pbmus Jan 2015 #195

..... pbmus Jan 2015 #197

Yeah.. and about those CEO's salaries... MrMickeysMom Jan 2015 #202

Rec because just the right posters are coming Puglover Jan 2015 #216

Are you talking about the Perpetually Outraged? I love it Autumn Jan 2015 #256

You know. Puglover Jan 2015 #257

Yes.Them. It's rather sad that they hate DU and DUers so much but yet, here they are. Autumn Jan 2015 #258

I suspect they are reliving their glory days in High School. Puglover Jan 2015 #259

I had a wonderful but tiring holiday. I'm glad that things are Autumn Jan 2015 #260

I admire the self-sacrifice of spending 20-22 hours a day in a place one loathes QC Jan 2015 #262

I never thought of it like that but now I know I must appreciate them and I Autumn Jan 2015 #263

Awwww still here.... Bobbie Jo Jan 2015 #265

Are you sure they're after you? Number23 Jan 2015 #267

Heh Bobbie Jo Jan 2015 #268

I logged out to have a look Capt. Obvious Jan 2015 #261

Good Idea! 1step Jan 2015 #218

Thanks, Manny. JDPriestly Jan 2015 #220

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Manny... RoccoR5955 Jan 2015 #223

+1000 sulphurdunn Jan 2015 #226

The sarcasm....it stings!... paleotn Jan 2015 #229

I can't believe he said that about the Post Office JonLP24 Jan 2015 #245

kick Electric Monk Jan 2015 #282