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KittyWampus

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23. Wow, aren't you clever now posting the graphic! I will repost the definition of hate speech
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 01:31 AM
Jan 2015

Here is what I'd consider a fairly workable definition of hate speech from Wiki for a point of reference:

In law, hate speech is any speech, gesture or conduct, writing, or display which is forbidden because it may incite violence or prejudicial action against or by a protected individual or group, or because it disparages or intimidates a protected individual or group.

Zombie Jesus does not meet the above criteria.

As to graphic i posted many months ago & Irish Blasphemy Law, you have zero proof that said graphic would be considered grossly abusive and insulting AND would ALSO cause outrage among a SUBSTANTIAL number of adherents.

That's a pretty high bar in the Irish Blasphemy law you cite. It has to meet three sets of criterion.

1. grossly abusive and insulting
2. cause outrage
3. substantial number of adherents

Furthermore, yet again, Ireland may have an overly broad & poorly written law but that doesn't mean the concept is invalid.

It is a good question, k&r. uppityperson Jan 2015 #1
I don't support any such law here. Codeine Jan 2015 #2
That'd be like supporting a law against idiots. not happening. Cha Jan 2015 #28
I don't support it either. LuvNewcastle Jan 2015 #65
+1 n/t fishwax Jan 2015 #99
Absolutely not. Holocaust deniers need to be exposed and ridiculed (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #3
+1 zappaman Jan 2015 #4
...^ that 840high Jan 2015 #84
Not only no, but HELL NO!!!! GGJohn Jan 2015 #5
No. bravenak Jan 2015 #6
Exactly. name not needed Jan 2015 #8
Of course not. PeteSelman Jan 2015 #7
No. sakabatou Jan 2015 #9
As a jew Kurska Jan 2015 #10
As another Jew, I agree. Behind the Aegis Jan 2015 #25
Nope - I agree also leftynyc Jan 2015 #62
Agree. Although I will admit to more than a little satisfaction when other countries prosecute stevenleser Jan 2015 #72
I don't know much about the history of European speech, but... TreasonousBastard Jan 2015 #11
Good point on the death penalty jberryhill Jan 2015 #43
No. former9thward Jan 2015 #12
This is a case where I think we're right. But we're also essentially alone in the world Recursion Jan 2015 #13
Who gets martyr treatment? geek tragedy Jan 2015 #16
I oppose such laws here, but don't begrudge Germany et al geek tragedy Jan 2015 #14
Me too. If they want those laws, it's their call. tblue Jan 2015 #49
I find it strange that so many DU'ers easily dismiss hate crimes when it's speech. KittyWampus Jan 2015 #15
I imagine that some Christians would be deeply offended by your "Zombie Jesus" thread. Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #17
No, I don't think there's any COUNTRY that would have me prosecuted for Zombie Jesus. KittyWampus Jan 2015 #18
Here's the graphic that you chose to post: Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #21
I hate that cartoon. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #22
I like the juxtaposition between Jesus rising from the dead and zombies rising from the dead. KittyWampus Jan 2015 #35
ok. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #36
Jesus did rise from the dead ... DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #91
Wow, aren't you clever now posting the graphic! I will repost the definition of hate speech KittyWampus Jan 2015 #23
You can speculate as to whether or not you would be convicted of blasphemy in Ireland. Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #30
indeed, several witnesses are not a "substantial number". AFAIK, Irish Blasphemy Law KittyWampus Jan 2015 #32
Good to see them moving in the direction of free speech. Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #45
It really doesnt matter what you think it should be Telcontar Jan 2015 #53
No, I am mainly arguing for laws regarding hate speech. Just because one country got it wrong KittyWampus Jan 2015 #78
Bullying, even if done "only" with words, is not protected free speech in the US. Silent3 Jan 2015 #29
Enjoy that slipperly slope to the bottom... TampaAnimusVortex Jan 2015 #83
No. And I come from a family that had victims of the Holocaust. Warren DeMontague Jan 2015 #19
In this country? Certainly not. nomorenomore08 Jan 2015 #20
Great question. I think I do and here is why: free speech under capitalism KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #24
So you would like "Mein Kampf" banned in the US? Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #34
Hmm, that's a tough one. It is, after all, a primary source for historians KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #39
And what about when the man from the government decides that an opinion of yours is not "decent"? Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #41
Another great question and one for which I have no easy answer. Let me pose a couple questions KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #47
Histories are not the same leftynyc Jan 2015 #63
No. I do not. LiberalAndProud Jan 2015 #26
How about German laws against Nazi stuff? moondust Jan 2015 #27
I am ok with the countries that have it JI7 Jan 2015 #31
Sure do Gman Jan 2015 #33
What other rights would you like to gut? GGJohn Jan 2015 #37
You would have the police knock on the doors and arrest those who question global warming? Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #38
fix stupid LiberalAndProud Jan 2015 #40
In the public forum Gman Jan 2015 #71
Since there are hate groups and websites that already push that bullshit, it is a moot issue. still_one Jan 2015 #42
I support laws Aerows Jan 2015 #44
No one disagrees with that jberryhill Jan 2015 #50
Not even in the same ball park, and maybe around Pluto. Aerows Jan 2015 #46
Would one approach to be banning speech encouraging terrorist acts? jberryhill Jan 2015 #52
I support people not killing others Aerows Jan 2015 #48
Instead you would lock them up over a cartoon? jberryhill Jan 2015 #56
Tell me then about the jail time served by staff of this magazine. I believe they were within the Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #76
No I don't. I literally can't think of any free speech that I need to be protected from. dissentient Jan 2015 #51
Nope. But I sincerely question the sanity of Holacust deniers. Zorra Jan 2015 #54
No, I don't vive la commune Jan 2015 #55
Limits on speech? Isn't that what the terrorists were about? n/t jtuck004 Jan 2015 #57
The terrorists and the French law differ on the penalty, not the principle jberryhill Jan 2015 #58
But if they continue, and perhaps resist being locked up, do you just go away, or bring force? jtuck004 Jan 2015 #59
And yet the French law did not lock up Charlie, terrorists murdered them. Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #77
It's not technically illegal here, but it could fall foul of racial vilification laws... Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #60
The first amendment is fairly absolute Sgent Jan 2015 #64
Thanks for the info... Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #68
Even then Sgent Jan 2015 #85
I think there are also restrictions on certain goldent Jan 2015 #104
Absolutely not leftynyc Jan 2015 #61
No. Humanist_Activist Jan 2015 #66
No--the way to counter nasty speech is by well-informed speech. eridani Jan 2015 #67
No, no, and hell, no! branford Jan 2015 #69
It is weird about the EU right... jberryhill Jan 2015 #74
True, but my primary point was that European speech restrictions branford Jan 2015 #79
"A man's got to know his limitations." True Blue Door Jan 2015 #70
Nope. Iggo Jan 2015 #73
Probably a poor choice of words on my part jberryhill Jan 2015 #75
No. I don't know how Europeans manage to keep freedom of speech treestar Jan 2015 #80
Nope. But I support holding news outlets to scutiny as we used to. bettyellen Jan 2015 #81
No. nt bemildred Jan 2015 #82
Which Holocaust? They started in the 6th century WhiteTara Jan 2015 #86
What are you referencing? oberliner Jan 2015 #87
They are commonly called the witch burnings WhiteTara Jan 2015 #88
Thanks oberliner Jan 2015 #93
What makes a holocaust? WhiteTara Jan 2015 #94
The term has generally become associated with the Nazi genocide oberliner Jan 2015 #96
It's okay to deny the Armenian one in France jberryhill Jan 2015 #97
No it's not oberliner Jan 2015 #98
Guess again... jberryhill Jan 2015 #100
Fascinating oberliner Jan 2015 #101
The one defined in the statute jberryhill Jan 2015 #92
Why would anyone want to do that.. sendero Jan 2015 #89
Here? No. Never. n/t X_Digger Jan 2015 #90
Nope. We allow some citizens to think Ben Carson is presidential material, don't we? Paladin Jan 2015 #95
Not in the USA. Throd Jan 2015 #102
It would be unconstitutional and also prevent us from identifying many of these idiots! davidsilver Jan 2015 #103
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