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Union Scribe

(7,099 posts)
59. So like I said
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 07:21 PM
Jan 2015

You want broadbrush "anti-Muslim" media. That's, I guess, your right to say (on DU, for some reason) but don't pretend you're outraged when I call that shit what it is.

So does "your god does not exist" Shivering Jemmy Jan 2015 #1
Depends on whether you're saying that NOBODY's god exists Ken Burch Jan 2015 #43
Why should it matter? F4lconF16 Jan 2015 #101
Wow! Ink Man Jan 2015 #2
Rules I'd suggest for radical Islamists: B2G Jan 2015 #3
Nobody disagrees with you on that. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #11
Rules I'd suggest for Islam in general B2G Jan 2015 #14
You do realize that MOST Muslims don't do those things, right? Ken Burch Jan 2015 #17
The problem with your 'rules' B2G Jan 2015 #19
The overwhelming majority of Muslims, like the overwhelming majority of all human beings, Ken Burch Jan 2015 #24
But we have to see it for what it is. Lobo27 Jan 2015 #62
"Crazy people killing people for no reason" cheapdate Jan 2015 #226
Majorities of Muslims in Egypt and Pakistan support the death penalty for leaving Islam FrodosPet Jan 2015 #70
are there any statistics about those being killed for leaving Islam? n/t reorg Jan 2015 #173
i don't see any evidence for that. your statement is a feel good one only samsingh Jan 2015 #107
So you believe the vast majority of Muslims aren't sane and rational people? Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #117
i'm not getting into vast majority talk. Innocent people are being attacked in the name samsingh Jan 2015 #129
You got into it when you objected to someone pointing out the vast majority are sane and rational... Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #132
That has always been done, and by members of virtually all religions. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #159
Too bad there's a significant fraction of people dedicating themselves to not making NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #123
apparent to whom? samsingh Jan 2015 #130
it's apparent in this thread. NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #134
The overwhelming majority of muslims aren't smirkymonkey Jan 2015 #233
not harshly and not unequivally samsingh Jan 2015 #105
Explaining is not justifying. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #160
saying i don't agree with killing but i understand why samsingh Jan 2015 #195
No it isn't. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #207
i agree with your first point samsingh Jan 2015 #209
i also should have said 'appreciate' not 'understand' samsingh Jan 2015 #210
Actually no, it isn't. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #211
Rules I'd suggest for sanctimonious Christians: madinmaryland Jan 2015 #64
That is a good one. AngryAmish Jan 2015 #67
No it isn't ellenrr Jan 2015 #75
what does that mean? About a dozen people have been killed. do you think samsingh Jan 2015 #109
You seem to find it easy to ignore the million or so muslims killed by your own government. NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #137
Of course not. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #163
Rules I'd suggest for sanctimonious Muslims: Lobo27 Jan 2015 #71
Nobody is defending anyone killing anyone. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #73
I know as much. Lobo27 Jan 2015 #74
What you don't get is everyone doing the killing thinks they are good people. AngryAmish Jan 2015 #77
Actually, Muslims in France face restrictions Muslims in the U.S. do not face. n/t. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #86
what's your point? is that justification for killing people? samsingh Jan 2015 #110
Of course not. But understanding WHY people make homicidal choices like that Ken Burch Jan 2015 #161
i'm not seeing any Christians massacring people in Africa or France today. samsingh Jan 2015 #108
Is there a statute of limitations where last week or last month or last year doesn't count? Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #131
you didn't hear of the 'kill the gays' laws in africa? (and their US sponsors?) NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #138
There are plenty of home-grown African christians and muslims who support them as well MNBrewer Jan 2015 #231
Made in the USA NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #236
Made right in Uganda! MNBrewer Jan 2015 #237
That's exactly what was happening in Rwanda just a few years ago. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #164
thank you. i'd begun to think i was the only one who remembered all that. NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #136
The US government and its allies kills more. Do you suggest the same for them? NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #113
Sounds like a good rule for all people. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #202
Golly, thanks, Mister! nt Dreamer Tatum Jan 2015 #4
A study shows a significant amount of Muslims... MellowDem Jan 2015 #5
agreed samsingh Jan 2015 #106
That's an inconvenient truth leftynyc Jan 2015 #148
"Muslims around the world strongly reject violence in the name of Islam" reorg Jan 2015 #181
That one sentence says nothing about what I said... MellowDem Jan 2015 #198
That sentence summarizes the findings reorg Jan 2015 #199
No it doesn't, no need to be dishonest... MellowDem Jan 2015 #200
I quoted directly from your source, so much for being dishonest ... reorg Jan 2015 #201
You editorialized it... MellowDem Jan 2015 #203
I quoted verbatim reorg Jan 2015 #205
Why change the subject? MellowDem Jan 2015 #213
Post removed Post removed Jan 2015 #6
rules for critiquing Christianity without helping right wing islamic militarists JI7 Jan 2015 #7
you are confusing criticizing islam ( a religion) with cultural practices of those who espouse it. msongs Jan 2015 #8
that should be "cultural practices of SOME of those who espouse it". Ken Burch Jan 2015 #49
what if one is Jewish Hindu buddhist atheist or some other non christian JI7 Jan 2015 #9
You're right, Ken. Blue_In_AK Jan 2015 #10
This thread has certainly flushed out a lot of would-be warmongers Ken Burch Jan 2015 #13
You're welcome. Blue_In_AK Jan 2015 #15
We got some snow this week, and it warmed up a bit. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #18
You're cute. B2G Jan 2015 #16
I'm not the one trying to incite hatred against 1.6 billion people Ken Burch Jan 2015 #21
what consititutes a tiny few? samsingh Jan 2015 #112
Crusaders ? and who is the one trying to incite hatred here ? JI7 Jan 2015 #25
I'm just trying, in a very small way, to help prevent an anti-Muslim pogrom Ken Burch Jan 2015 #26
Who exactly is proposing that happen? nt B2G Jan 2015 #27
should the US offer Jews in France Asylum because of what happened today ? you suggested JI7 Jan 2015 #28
I condemn the attack on the grocery. The focus should be on catching the tiny group of extremists Ken Burch Jan 2015 #35
How about homosexuals living under Islamic regimes? MNBrewer Jan 2015 #232
Fine, we need to support them-I'd offer them refugee status as well. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #238
How brave of you. AngryAmish Jan 2015 #69
I never claimed to be standing alone-or to be brave. This thread isn't about ME at all. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #72
Yet you feel it incumbent upon yourself to be the speech police AngryAmish Jan 2015 #76
Look, you can say anything you want and nobody can stop you Ken Burch Jan 2015 #79
the only one saying something unpopular here is the person you're talking to. the rest NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #139
They sound like British propagandists in the 1914-1918 war Ken Burch Jan 2015 #158
do you think killing the people in france is forgiveable? samsingh Jan 2015 #116
You know perfectly well I don't think anything of the sort. Nor does anyone else. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #165
But it is Islam as a religion. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #183
I guess I could take this more seriously if you seemed at least as interested rtw Jan 2015 #185
The French Jewish population DOES need protection. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #214
Any rules for kosher grocery stores? oberliner Jan 2015 #12
Nobody is defending the attack on that store Ken Burch Jan 2015 #38
you're just making stuff up. samsingh Jan 2015 #118
Which bit? Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #144
what's a lot of people and no one i know is blaming every muslim samsingh Jan 2015 #190
What have I made up? Ken Burch Jan 2015 #167
no, you are. NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #178
meaningful reply samsingh Jan 2015 #191
convert to islam - actually that won't work either samsingh Jan 2015 #114
I'm perfectly fine discussing it the way I please. Ykcutnek Jan 2015 #20
Nobody is defending the Charlie Hebdo attacks here, and you know it. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #22
maybe you should be worrying about those being killed in Africa and France today by extremists samsingh Jan 2015 #119
most of those being killed in africa are being killed by forces allied with western powers. NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #143
Of course they know it. It simply suits their framing to paint you as the villain of the NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #140
No, but some people are coming perilously close to blaming the victims, which is nearly as bad. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2015 #141
thank you. a rational thought in this made up thread. samsingh Jan 2015 #115
Something all of us have condemned...including, today, Hezbollah. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #168
No thanks... SidDithers Jan 2015 #23
afuckingmen. There's nothing more dangerous than a monster who thinks he's right with his god. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #29
We've got those on OUR side, too. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #30
Speak for yourself. They aren't on my side. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #32
yup, i'm not part of the both sides are the same, no difference crowd JI7 Jan 2015 #37
bush & cheney are the biggest mass murderers in modern history. NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #146
THAT is YOUR side? m-lekktor Jan 2015 #82
By "our side", I meant "the West" Ken Burch Jan 2015 #89
thinking the west is one side is problematic don't you think? samsingh Jan 2015 #133
they're disgusting, that's why i spent 8 years doing what i could to get them out of office samsingh Jan 2015 #120
Me neither, and I always opposed them(if not, I wouldn't be here on DU). Ken Burch Jan 2015 #171
wtf - more made up shit - they are not on my side samsingh Jan 2015 #128
By "our side", I meant "the West" Ken Burch Jan 2015 #172
painting the west like that is like saying all muslims are responsible. samsingh Jan 2015 #193
+1000 smirkymonkey Jan 2015 #235
There's actually something more dangerous than that... jberryhill Jan 2015 #31
That is also the point of the opportunistic anti-Muslim rhetoric we're seeing Ken Burch Jan 2015 #45
It's precisely want I mean jberryhill Jan 2015 #52
I think the Stalinists called it "sharpening the contradictions". n/t. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #57
interesting - i see the attack on the grocery and the magazine. i see innocent people getting killed samsingh Jan 2015 #121
We all see and we all condemn all of that. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #180
i never said i blame all muslims. those are your words and what you're bringing the samsingh Jan 2015 #189
yup! m-lekktor Jan 2015 #83
du rec Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #99
bs Rhinodawg Jan 2015 #33
Muslims aren't Nazis Ken Burch Jan 2015 #34
Muslim is a religion and I respect that. Rhinodawg Jan 2015 #36
The problem is that the distinction isn't being made in most of the rhetoric. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #40
With all due respect, YOU didnt make that distinction. Rhinodawg Jan 2015 #44
I've altered the thread title to address that. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #47
I could be wrong, Blue_In_AK Jan 2015 #41
I think that poster meant to say "Islamism" Ken Burch Jan 2015 #42
No, a muslim is an adherent of islam. a muslim is a person, islam is his/her religion. NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #149
its wrong to live in a country and then kill it's innocent citizens samsingh Jan 2015 #126
the killers were born in france, they didn't just 'live' there. i presume they were NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #151
i don't see the difference. they ate food and took shelter in France and then killed its citizens samsingh Jan 2015 #192
they were *born* there, they didn't "take shelter" there. they're as french as anyone NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #197
Which you can say of anyone who lives anywhere and kills anyone else in the same place. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #177
agreed. completely ignorant of reality samsingh Jan 2015 #124
Worked a hell of a lot of other times, and not doing it is usually catastrophic. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2015 #142
“You’ve gotta respect everyone’s beliefs.” No, you don’t. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #39
Hear, hear! smirkymonkey Jan 2015 #80
Even many non extremists are a threat to a secular society. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #84
Are you referrring to non-extremist people in general, or non-extremist Muslims? Ken Burch Jan 2015 #88
I'm referring to members of many organized religions. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #90
I appreciate the consistency. n/t. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #92
As a strong supporter of women, LGBT and a secular society, Republicans are my adversaries. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #100
important to whom? samsingh Jan 2015 #127
Most decent human beings...at least I'd hope. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #170
i'm really worried about tidal waves. we should plant trees along the shoreline. don't people get it samsingh Jan 2015 #194
agreed samsingh Jan 2015 #125
Great post leftynyc Jan 2015 #150
Which also has to work for everyone The2ndWheel Jan 2015 #196
Thoughtful post. Union Scribe Jan 2015 #46
"celebration of bigotry....." brooklynite Jan 2015 #48
Well, for one Union Scribe Jan 2015 #51
Criticizing the religion itself, pointing out its barbaric tenets, and explaining the penalties for PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #55
Islam is the religion. Muslims are the people in it. Union Scribe Jan 2015 #58
To say someone is Muslim is to say that they adhere to a certain set of beliefs as laid out by their PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #60
That isn't true. Union Scribe Jan 2015 #61
But that's part of the problem... brooklynite Jan 2015 #65
I'm curious. Do you think there's such a thing as bigotry against people who are Muslim? n/t Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #122
There's bigotry against people leftynyc Jan 2015 #153
And there's bigotry against people who are Jewish... Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #154
I guess I would have to actually leftynyc Jan 2015 #162
Those sorts are out in force in the comments sections of Murdoch rags... Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #182
I was actually leftynyc Jan 2015 #188
I've seen them do it here. According to them there's no such thing as Islamophobia... Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #218
Most DUers,yes leftynyc Jan 2015 #224
Happy about it? That's pretty rough... Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #225
There usually aren't calls for the deportation of the overweight or the left-handed. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #175
Good question. Those who suffer from it would be ill-equipped to recognize it. NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #155
Indeed. Bigots almost never self-identify as "bigots". Ken Burch Jan 2015 #176
So we all agree where the line between mainstream religion and fundamentalist religion lies? brooklynite Jan 2015 #56
So like I said Union Scribe Jan 2015 #59
I'm not outraged...why should I be? brooklynite Jan 2015 #63
criticizing religious extremism is NOT bigotry! m-lekktor Jan 2015 #85
This week? On certain topics, it's the norm here. NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #152
Lulz on ignoring reality Jesus Malverde Jan 2015 #50
I'm fully aware that the Israeli government enabled Hamas-they were fixated on discrediting the PLO Ken Burch Jan 2015 #53
I'm an anarchist, I don't do rules very well but since this is the game, I'll play -- Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #54
People were saying we should respect the Islamic belief that the prophet should not be depicted. Lobo27 Jan 2015 #66
Exactly. Opposing bigotry is not bigotry. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #68
exactly. m-lekktor Jan 2015 #87
Then oppose bigotry...but it's not "opposing bigotry" to demonize an entire religion Ken Burch Jan 2015 #91
And who here does those things, Ken Burch? You imply the posters you address say that and that's Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #97
I never said to respect the anti-gay teachings of Islam or anyone else. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #102
I'm part of that 'secular rebellion' against bigotry on a global basis, it's not 'the West' alone th Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #187
I answered the question. It's just that you didn't like my answer Ken Burch Jan 2015 #208
If you go and read this thread and a few others it's right there. You can't miss it... Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #147
You have no right to fantasize about what you think I meant when I spoke clearly. None. Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #186
Wow, you sure read a lot into a simple comment... Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #217
Let me summarize what you are saying Renew Deal Jan 2015 #78
Not what I was saying and you know it. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #81
You know what else what prevent a global religious war? oberliner Jan 2015 #94
Not calling for that, either... Ken Burch Jan 2015 #95
But you can't accept certain things. Lobo27 Jan 2015 #98
I think all religions need a critique FunkyLeprechaun Jan 2015 #93
Freedom of speech doesn't come with a 5 paragraph rule book n/t Kurska Jan 2015 #96
Ken, I admire the stance you're taking. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2015 #103
Thanks. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #104
too bad the stance isn't focused on saving the lives being taken now samsingh Jan 2015 #135
It is focused on that, too. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #157
+100 NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #156
i think lying is asking too much samsingh Jan 2015 #111
And if anyone were asking you to lie, that would be a valid point. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #169
Rushdie had an interesting point to make tonight Warpy Jan 2015 #145
Thank you. Eloquently stated. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #179
Hezbollah and Iran are both shiite Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #184
Advice for eating your food. CBGLuthier Jan 2015 #166
F that WestCoastLib Jan 2015 #174
Religion is not a force for good in the world. alarimer Jan 2015 #204
A-men. randome Jan 2015 #229
Yes: all societies have had barbaric practices in the past. But is that a reason not to criticize pnwmom Jan 2015 #206
And again, I didn't say don't criticize. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #212
Yes, Islam didn't invent the practice of honor killings any more than it invented pnwmom Jan 2015 #215
Agreed. But the point is to go after the practices. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #216
Yes, the practices rather than the religion in general. pnwmom Jan 2015 #219
There weren't many Christians who fought the spread of the "blood libel". Ken Burch Jan 2015 #220
The correct comparison is between different cultures at the same point in time. pnwmom Jan 2015 #221
And that is now happening. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #222
The need to worship invisible phantoms nilesobek Jan 2015 #223
The Creek Indians in Alabama and Georgia in the late 1700s, early 1800s cheapdate Jan 2015 #227
Just one rule: BubbaFett Jan 2015 #228
is someone suggesting that those who committed those murders are worthy of respect, understanding, Douglas Carpenter Jan 2015 #230
I have no idea BubbaFett Jan 2015 #234
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