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181. "Muslims around the world strongly reject violence in the name of Islam"
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 04:28 AM
Jan 2015

is the introductory sentence on page 29 of your PEW study.

It continues to say that in 'some' countries, the proportion of those who agreed that suicide bombings are 'sometimes' justified is significant. Which countries are these? Surprise, surprise:

Palestinian Territories
Afghanistan
Egypt

Do you think it is possible that some factors other than the majority religion in these places might play a role here?

So does "your god does not exist" Shivering Jemmy Jan 2015 #1
Depends on whether you're saying that NOBODY's god exists Ken Burch Jan 2015 #43
Why should it matter? F4lconF16 Jan 2015 #101
Wow! Ink Man Jan 2015 #2
Rules I'd suggest for radical Islamists: B2G Jan 2015 #3
Nobody disagrees with you on that. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #11
Rules I'd suggest for Islam in general B2G Jan 2015 #14
You do realize that MOST Muslims don't do those things, right? Ken Burch Jan 2015 #17
The problem with your 'rules' B2G Jan 2015 #19
The overwhelming majority of Muslims, like the overwhelming majority of all human beings, Ken Burch Jan 2015 #24
But we have to see it for what it is. Lobo27 Jan 2015 #62
"Crazy people killing people for no reason" cheapdate Jan 2015 #226
Majorities of Muslims in Egypt and Pakistan support the death penalty for leaving Islam FrodosPet Jan 2015 #70
are there any statistics about those being killed for leaving Islam? n/t reorg Jan 2015 #173
i don't see any evidence for that. your statement is a feel good one only samsingh Jan 2015 #107
So you believe the vast majority of Muslims aren't sane and rational people? Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #117
i'm not getting into vast majority talk. Innocent people are being attacked in the name samsingh Jan 2015 #129
You got into it when you objected to someone pointing out the vast majority are sane and rational... Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #132
That has always been done, and by members of virtually all religions. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #159
Too bad there's a significant fraction of people dedicating themselves to not making NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #123
apparent to whom? samsingh Jan 2015 #130
it's apparent in this thread. NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #134
The overwhelming majority of muslims aren't smirkymonkey Jan 2015 #233
not harshly and not unequivally samsingh Jan 2015 #105
Explaining is not justifying. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #160
saying i don't agree with killing but i understand why samsingh Jan 2015 #195
No it isn't. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #207
i agree with your first point samsingh Jan 2015 #209
i also should have said 'appreciate' not 'understand' samsingh Jan 2015 #210
Actually no, it isn't. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #211
Rules I'd suggest for sanctimonious Christians: madinmaryland Jan 2015 #64
That is a good one. AngryAmish Jan 2015 #67
No it isn't ellenrr Jan 2015 #75
what does that mean? About a dozen people have been killed. do you think samsingh Jan 2015 #109
You seem to find it easy to ignore the million or so muslims killed by your own government. NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #137
Of course not. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #163
Rules I'd suggest for sanctimonious Muslims: Lobo27 Jan 2015 #71
Nobody is defending anyone killing anyone. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #73
I know as much. Lobo27 Jan 2015 #74
What you don't get is everyone doing the killing thinks they are good people. AngryAmish Jan 2015 #77
Actually, Muslims in France face restrictions Muslims in the U.S. do not face. n/t. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #86
what's your point? is that justification for killing people? samsingh Jan 2015 #110
Of course not. But understanding WHY people make homicidal choices like that Ken Burch Jan 2015 #161
i'm not seeing any Christians massacring people in Africa or France today. samsingh Jan 2015 #108
Is there a statute of limitations where last week or last month or last year doesn't count? Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #131
you didn't hear of the 'kill the gays' laws in africa? (and their US sponsors?) NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #138
There are plenty of home-grown African christians and muslims who support them as well MNBrewer Jan 2015 #231
Made in the USA NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #236
Made right in Uganda! MNBrewer Jan 2015 #237
That's exactly what was happening in Rwanda just a few years ago. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #164
thank you. i'd begun to think i was the only one who remembered all that. NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #136
The US government and its allies kills more. Do you suggest the same for them? NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #113
Sounds like a good rule for all people. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #202
Golly, thanks, Mister! nt Dreamer Tatum Jan 2015 #4
A study shows a significant amount of Muslims... MellowDem Jan 2015 #5
agreed samsingh Jan 2015 #106
That's an inconvenient truth leftynyc Jan 2015 #148
"Muslims around the world strongly reject violence in the name of Islam" reorg Jan 2015 #181
That one sentence says nothing about what I said... MellowDem Jan 2015 #198
That sentence summarizes the findings reorg Jan 2015 #199
No it doesn't, no need to be dishonest... MellowDem Jan 2015 #200
I quoted directly from your source, so much for being dishonest ... reorg Jan 2015 #201
You editorialized it... MellowDem Jan 2015 #203
I quoted verbatim reorg Jan 2015 #205
Why change the subject? MellowDem Jan 2015 #213
Post removed Post removed Jan 2015 #6
rules for critiquing Christianity without helping right wing islamic militarists JI7 Jan 2015 #7
you are confusing criticizing islam ( a religion) with cultural practices of those who espouse it. msongs Jan 2015 #8
that should be "cultural practices of SOME of those who espouse it". Ken Burch Jan 2015 #49
what if one is Jewish Hindu buddhist atheist or some other non christian JI7 Jan 2015 #9
You're right, Ken. Blue_In_AK Jan 2015 #10
This thread has certainly flushed out a lot of would-be warmongers Ken Burch Jan 2015 #13
You're welcome. Blue_In_AK Jan 2015 #15
We got some snow this week, and it warmed up a bit. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #18
You're cute. B2G Jan 2015 #16
I'm not the one trying to incite hatred against 1.6 billion people Ken Burch Jan 2015 #21
what consititutes a tiny few? samsingh Jan 2015 #112
Crusaders ? and who is the one trying to incite hatred here ? JI7 Jan 2015 #25
I'm just trying, in a very small way, to help prevent an anti-Muslim pogrom Ken Burch Jan 2015 #26
Who exactly is proposing that happen? nt B2G Jan 2015 #27
should the US offer Jews in France Asylum because of what happened today ? you suggested JI7 Jan 2015 #28
I condemn the attack on the grocery. The focus should be on catching the tiny group of extremists Ken Burch Jan 2015 #35
How about homosexuals living under Islamic regimes? MNBrewer Jan 2015 #232
Fine, we need to support them-I'd offer them refugee status as well. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #238
How brave of you. AngryAmish Jan 2015 #69
I never claimed to be standing alone-or to be brave. This thread isn't about ME at all. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #72
Yet you feel it incumbent upon yourself to be the speech police AngryAmish Jan 2015 #76
Look, you can say anything you want and nobody can stop you Ken Burch Jan 2015 #79
the only one saying something unpopular here is the person you're talking to. the rest NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #139
They sound like British propagandists in the 1914-1918 war Ken Burch Jan 2015 #158
do you think killing the people in france is forgiveable? samsingh Jan 2015 #116
You know perfectly well I don't think anything of the sort. Nor does anyone else. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #165
But it is Islam as a religion. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #183
I guess I could take this more seriously if you seemed at least as interested rtw Jan 2015 #185
The French Jewish population DOES need protection. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #214
Any rules for kosher grocery stores? oberliner Jan 2015 #12
Nobody is defending the attack on that store Ken Burch Jan 2015 #38
you're just making stuff up. samsingh Jan 2015 #118
Which bit? Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #144
what's a lot of people and no one i know is blaming every muslim samsingh Jan 2015 #190
What have I made up? Ken Burch Jan 2015 #167
no, you are. NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #178
meaningful reply samsingh Jan 2015 #191
convert to islam - actually that won't work either samsingh Jan 2015 #114
I'm perfectly fine discussing it the way I please. Ykcutnek Jan 2015 #20
Nobody is defending the Charlie Hebdo attacks here, and you know it. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #22
maybe you should be worrying about those being killed in Africa and France today by extremists samsingh Jan 2015 #119
most of those being killed in africa are being killed by forces allied with western powers. NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #143
Of course they know it. It simply suits their framing to paint you as the villain of the NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #140
No, but some people are coming perilously close to blaming the victims, which is nearly as bad. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2015 #141
thank you. a rational thought in this made up thread. samsingh Jan 2015 #115
Something all of us have condemned...including, today, Hezbollah. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #168
No thanks... SidDithers Jan 2015 #23
afuckingmen. There's nothing more dangerous than a monster who thinks he's right with his god. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #29
We've got those on OUR side, too. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #30
Speak for yourself. They aren't on my side. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #32
yup, i'm not part of the both sides are the same, no difference crowd JI7 Jan 2015 #37
bush & cheney are the biggest mass murderers in modern history. NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #146
THAT is YOUR side? m-lekktor Jan 2015 #82
By "our side", I meant "the West" Ken Burch Jan 2015 #89
thinking the west is one side is problematic don't you think? samsingh Jan 2015 #133
they're disgusting, that's why i spent 8 years doing what i could to get them out of office samsingh Jan 2015 #120
Me neither, and I always opposed them(if not, I wouldn't be here on DU). Ken Burch Jan 2015 #171
wtf - more made up shit - they are not on my side samsingh Jan 2015 #128
By "our side", I meant "the West" Ken Burch Jan 2015 #172
painting the west like that is like saying all muslims are responsible. samsingh Jan 2015 #193
+1000 smirkymonkey Jan 2015 #235
There's actually something more dangerous than that... jberryhill Jan 2015 #31
That is also the point of the opportunistic anti-Muslim rhetoric we're seeing Ken Burch Jan 2015 #45
It's precisely want I mean jberryhill Jan 2015 #52
I think the Stalinists called it "sharpening the contradictions". n/t. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #57
interesting - i see the attack on the grocery and the magazine. i see innocent people getting killed samsingh Jan 2015 #121
We all see and we all condemn all of that. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #180
i never said i blame all muslims. those are your words and what you're bringing the samsingh Jan 2015 #189
yup! m-lekktor Jan 2015 #83
du rec Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #99
bs Rhinodawg Jan 2015 #33
Muslims aren't Nazis Ken Burch Jan 2015 #34
Muslim is a religion and I respect that. Rhinodawg Jan 2015 #36
The problem is that the distinction isn't being made in most of the rhetoric. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #40
With all due respect, YOU didnt make that distinction. Rhinodawg Jan 2015 #44
I've altered the thread title to address that. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #47
I could be wrong, Blue_In_AK Jan 2015 #41
I think that poster meant to say "Islamism" Ken Burch Jan 2015 #42
No, a muslim is an adherent of islam. a muslim is a person, islam is his/her religion. NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #149
its wrong to live in a country and then kill it's innocent citizens samsingh Jan 2015 #126
the killers were born in france, they didn't just 'live' there. i presume they were NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #151
i don't see the difference. they ate food and took shelter in France and then killed its citizens samsingh Jan 2015 #192
they were *born* there, they didn't "take shelter" there. they're as french as anyone NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #197
Which you can say of anyone who lives anywhere and kills anyone else in the same place. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #177
agreed. completely ignorant of reality samsingh Jan 2015 #124
Worked a hell of a lot of other times, and not doing it is usually catastrophic. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2015 #142
“You’ve gotta respect everyone’s beliefs.” No, you don’t. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #39
Hear, hear! smirkymonkey Jan 2015 #80
Even many non extremists are a threat to a secular society. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #84
Are you referrring to non-extremist people in general, or non-extremist Muslims? Ken Burch Jan 2015 #88
I'm referring to members of many organized religions. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #90
I appreciate the consistency. n/t. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #92
As a strong supporter of women, LGBT and a secular society, Republicans are my adversaries. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #100
important to whom? samsingh Jan 2015 #127
Most decent human beings...at least I'd hope. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #170
i'm really worried about tidal waves. we should plant trees along the shoreline. don't people get it samsingh Jan 2015 #194
agreed samsingh Jan 2015 #125
Great post leftynyc Jan 2015 #150
Which also has to work for everyone The2ndWheel Jan 2015 #196
Thoughtful post. Union Scribe Jan 2015 #46
"celebration of bigotry....." brooklynite Jan 2015 #48
Well, for one Union Scribe Jan 2015 #51
Criticizing the religion itself, pointing out its barbaric tenets, and explaining the penalties for PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #55
Islam is the religion. Muslims are the people in it. Union Scribe Jan 2015 #58
To say someone is Muslim is to say that they adhere to a certain set of beliefs as laid out by their PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #60
That isn't true. Union Scribe Jan 2015 #61
But that's part of the problem... brooklynite Jan 2015 #65
I'm curious. Do you think there's such a thing as bigotry against people who are Muslim? n/t Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #122
There's bigotry against people leftynyc Jan 2015 #153
And there's bigotry against people who are Jewish... Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #154
I guess I would have to actually leftynyc Jan 2015 #162
Those sorts are out in force in the comments sections of Murdoch rags... Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #182
I was actually leftynyc Jan 2015 #188
I've seen them do it here. According to them there's no such thing as Islamophobia... Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #218
Most DUers,yes leftynyc Jan 2015 #224
Happy about it? That's pretty rough... Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #225
There usually aren't calls for the deportation of the overweight or the left-handed. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #175
Good question. Those who suffer from it would be ill-equipped to recognize it. NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #155
Indeed. Bigots almost never self-identify as "bigots". Ken Burch Jan 2015 #176
So we all agree where the line between mainstream religion and fundamentalist religion lies? brooklynite Jan 2015 #56
So like I said Union Scribe Jan 2015 #59
I'm not outraged...why should I be? brooklynite Jan 2015 #63
criticizing religious extremism is NOT bigotry! m-lekktor Jan 2015 #85
This week? On certain topics, it's the norm here. NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #152
Lulz on ignoring reality Jesus Malverde Jan 2015 #50
I'm fully aware that the Israeli government enabled Hamas-they were fixated on discrediting the PLO Ken Burch Jan 2015 #53
I'm an anarchist, I don't do rules very well but since this is the game, I'll play -- Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #54
People were saying we should respect the Islamic belief that the prophet should not be depicted. Lobo27 Jan 2015 #66
Exactly. Opposing bigotry is not bigotry. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #68
exactly. m-lekktor Jan 2015 #87
Then oppose bigotry...but it's not "opposing bigotry" to demonize an entire religion Ken Burch Jan 2015 #91
And who here does those things, Ken Burch? You imply the posters you address say that and that's Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #97
I never said to respect the anti-gay teachings of Islam or anyone else. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #102
I'm part of that 'secular rebellion' against bigotry on a global basis, it's not 'the West' alone th Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #187
I answered the question. It's just that you didn't like my answer Ken Burch Jan 2015 #208
If you go and read this thread and a few others it's right there. You can't miss it... Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #147
You have no right to fantasize about what you think I meant when I spoke clearly. None. Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #186
Wow, you sure read a lot into a simple comment... Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #217
Let me summarize what you are saying Renew Deal Jan 2015 #78
Not what I was saying and you know it. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #81
You know what else what prevent a global religious war? oberliner Jan 2015 #94
Not calling for that, either... Ken Burch Jan 2015 #95
But you can't accept certain things. Lobo27 Jan 2015 #98
I think all religions need a critique FunkyLeprechaun Jan 2015 #93
Freedom of speech doesn't come with a 5 paragraph rule book n/t Kurska Jan 2015 #96
Ken, I admire the stance you're taking. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2015 #103
Thanks. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #104
too bad the stance isn't focused on saving the lives being taken now samsingh Jan 2015 #135
It is focused on that, too. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #157
+100 NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #156
i think lying is asking too much samsingh Jan 2015 #111
And if anyone were asking you to lie, that would be a valid point. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #169
Rushdie had an interesting point to make tonight Warpy Jan 2015 #145
Thank you. Eloquently stated. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #179
Hezbollah and Iran are both shiite Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #184
Advice for eating your food. CBGLuthier Jan 2015 #166
F that WestCoastLib Jan 2015 #174
Religion is not a force for good in the world. alarimer Jan 2015 #204
A-men. randome Jan 2015 #229
Yes: all societies have had barbaric practices in the past. But is that a reason not to criticize pnwmom Jan 2015 #206
And again, I didn't say don't criticize. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #212
Yes, Islam didn't invent the practice of honor killings any more than it invented pnwmom Jan 2015 #215
Agreed. But the point is to go after the practices. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #216
Yes, the practices rather than the religion in general. pnwmom Jan 2015 #219
There weren't many Christians who fought the spread of the "blood libel". Ken Burch Jan 2015 #220
The correct comparison is between different cultures at the same point in time. pnwmom Jan 2015 #221
And that is now happening. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #222
The need to worship invisible phantoms nilesobek Jan 2015 #223
The Creek Indians in Alabama and Georgia in the late 1700s, early 1800s cheapdate Jan 2015 #227
Just one rule: BubbaFett Jan 2015 #228
is someone suggesting that those who committed those murders are worthy of respect, understanding, Douglas Carpenter Jan 2015 #230
I have no idea BubbaFett Jan 2015 #234
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