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sendero

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89. Why would anyone want to do that..

Sat Jan 10, 2015, 11:55 AM

Jan 2015

.... it merely lends legitimacy to the idea.

There is no speech that should be illegal unless it contains direct threats of violence to living persons.

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Do you support laws against Holocaust denial? [View all] jberryhill Jan 2015 OP

It is a good question, k&r. uppityperson Jan 2015 #1

I don't support any such law here. Codeine Jan 2015 #2

That'd be like supporting a law against idiots. not happening. Cha Jan 2015 #28

I don't support it either. LuvNewcastle Jan 2015 #65

+1 n/t fishwax Jan 2015 #99

Absolutely not. Holocaust deniers need to be exposed and ridiculed (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #3

+1 zappaman Jan 2015 #4

...^ that 840high Jan 2015 #84

Not only no, but HELL NO!!!! GGJohn Jan 2015 #5

No. bravenak Jan 2015 #6

Exactly. name not needed Jan 2015 #8

Of course not. PeteSelman Jan 2015 #7

No. sakabatou Jan 2015 #9

As a jew Kurska Jan 2015 #10

As another Jew, I agree. Behind the Aegis Jan 2015 #25

Nope - I agree also leftynyc Jan 2015 #62

Agree. Although I will admit to more than a little satisfaction when other countries prosecute stevenleser Jan 2015 #72

I don't know much about the history of European speech, but... TreasonousBastard Jan 2015 #11

Good point on the death penalty jberryhill Jan 2015 #43

No. former9thward Jan 2015 #12

This is a case where I think we're right. But we're also essentially alone in the world Recursion Jan 2015 #13

Who gets martyr treatment? geek tragedy Jan 2015 #16

I oppose such laws here, but don't begrudge Germany et al geek tragedy Jan 2015 #14

Me too. If they want those laws, it's their call. tblue Jan 2015 #49

I find it strange that so many DU'ers easily dismiss hate crimes when it's speech. KittyWampus Jan 2015 #15

I imagine that some Christians would be deeply offended by your "Zombie Jesus" thread. Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #17

No, I don't think there's any COUNTRY that would have me prosecuted for Zombie Jesus. KittyWampus Jan 2015 #18

Here's the graphic that you chose to post: Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #21

I hate that cartoon. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #22

I like the juxtaposition between Jesus rising from the dead and zombies rising from the dead. KittyWampus Jan 2015 #35

ok. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #36

Jesus did rise from the dead ... DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #91

Wow, aren't you clever now posting the graphic! I will repost the definition of hate speech KittyWampus Jan 2015 #23

You can speculate as to whether or not you would be convicted of blasphemy in Ireland. Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #30

indeed, several witnesses are not a "substantial number". AFAIK, Irish Blasphemy Law KittyWampus Jan 2015 #32

Good to see them moving in the direction of free speech. Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #45

It really doesnt matter what you think it should be Telcontar Jan 2015 #53

No, I am mainly arguing for laws regarding hate speech. Just because one country got it wrong KittyWampus Jan 2015 #78

Bullying, even if done "only" with words, is not protected free speech in the US. Silent3 Jan 2015 #29

Enjoy that slipperly slope to the bottom... TampaAnimusVortex Jan 2015 #83

No. And I come from a family that had victims of the Holocaust. Warren DeMontague Jan 2015 #19

In this country? Certainly not. nomorenomore08 Jan 2015 #20

Great question. I think I do and here is why: free speech under capitalism KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #24

So you would like "Mein Kampf" banned in the US? Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #34

Hmm, that's a tough one. It is, after all, a primary source for historians KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #39

And what about when the man from the government decides that an opinion of yours is not "decent"? Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #41

Another great question and one for which I have no easy answer. Let me pose a couple questions KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #47

Histories are not the same leftynyc Jan 2015 #63

No. I do not. LiberalAndProud Jan 2015 #26

How about German laws against Nazi stuff? moondust Jan 2015 #27

I am ok with the countries that have it JI7 Jan 2015 #31

Sure do Gman Jan 2015 #33

What other rights would you like to gut? GGJohn Jan 2015 #37

You would have the police knock on the doors and arrest those who question global warming? Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #38

fix stupid LiberalAndProud Jan 2015 #40

In the public forum Gman Jan 2015 #71

Since there are hate groups and websites that already push that bullshit, it is a moot issue. still_one Jan 2015 #42

I support laws Aerows Jan 2015 #44

No one disagrees with that jberryhill Jan 2015 #50

Not even in the same ball park, and maybe around Pluto. Aerows Jan 2015 #46

Would one approach to be banning speech encouraging terrorist acts? jberryhill Jan 2015 #52

I support people not killing others Aerows Jan 2015 #48

Instead you would lock them up over a cartoon? jberryhill Jan 2015 #56

Tell me then about the jail time served by staff of this magazine. I believe they were within the Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #76

No I don't. I literally can't think of any free speech that I need to be protected from. dissentient Jan 2015 #51

Nope. But I sincerely question the sanity of Holacust deniers. Zorra Jan 2015 #54

No, I don't vive la commune Jan 2015 #55

Limits on speech? Isn't that what the terrorists were about? n/t jtuck004 Jan 2015 #57

The terrorists and the French law differ on the penalty, not the principle jberryhill Jan 2015 #58

But if they continue, and perhaps resist being locked up, do you just go away, or bring force? jtuck004 Jan 2015 #59

And yet the French law did not lock up Charlie, terrorists murdered them. Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #77

It's not technically illegal here, but it could fall foul of racial vilification laws... Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #60

The first amendment is fairly absolute Sgent Jan 2015 #64

Thanks for the info... Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #68

Even then Sgent Jan 2015 #85

I think there are also restrictions on certain goldent Jan 2015 #104

Absolutely not leftynyc Jan 2015 #61

No. Humanist_Activist Jan 2015 #66

No--the way to counter nasty speech is by well-informed speech. eridani Jan 2015 #67

No, no, and hell, no! branford Jan 2015 #69

It is weird about the EU right... jberryhill Jan 2015 #74

True, but my primary point was that European speech restrictions branford Jan 2015 #79

"A man's got to know his limitations." True Blue Door Jan 2015 #70

Nope. Iggo Jan 2015 #73

Probably a poor choice of words on my part jberryhill Jan 2015 #75

No. I don't know how Europeans manage to keep freedom of speech treestar Jan 2015 #80

Nope. But I support holding news outlets to scutiny as we used to. bettyellen Jan 2015 #81

No. nt bemildred Jan 2015 #82

Which Holocaust? They started in the 6th century WhiteTara Jan 2015 #86

What are you referencing? oberliner Jan 2015 #87

They are commonly called the witch burnings WhiteTara Jan 2015 #88

Thanks oberliner Jan 2015 #93

What makes a holocaust? WhiteTara Jan 2015 #94

The term has generally become associated with the Nazi genocide oberliner Jan 2015 #96

It's okay to deny the Armenian one in France jberryhill Jan 2015 #97

No it's not oberliner Jan 2015 #98

Guess again... jberryhill Jan 2015 #100

Fascinating oberliner Jan 2015 #101

The one defined in the statute jberryhill Jan 2015 #92

Why would anyone want to do that.. sendero Jan 2015 #89

Here? No. Never. n/t X_Digger Jan 2015 #90

Nope. We allow some citizens to think Ben Carson is presidential material, don't we? Paladin Jan 2015 #95

Not in the USA. Throd Jan 2015 #102

It would be unconstitutional and also prevent us from identifying many of these idiots! davidsilver Jan 2015 #103