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In reply to the discussion: Rules I'd suggest for critiquing Islam or "Islamists" without aiding Western militarists and bigots: [View all]NewDeal_Dem
(1,049 posts)197. they were *born* there, they didn't "take shelter" there. they're as french as anyone
else, except for being minorities (like blacks in the US, with about the same social status)
do no other French "kill its citizens"? I think there are other murderers in france, high and low.
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Rules I'd suggest for critiquing Islam or "Islamists" without aiding Western militarists and bigots: [View all]
Ken Burch
Jan 2015
OP
The overwhelming majority of Muslims, like the overwhelming majority of all human beings,
Ken Burch
Jan 2015
#24
Majorities of Muslims in Egypt and Pakistan support the death penalty for leaving Islam
FrodosPet
Jan 2015
#70
So you believe the vast majority of Muslims aren't sane and rational people?
Violet_Crumble
Jan 2015
#117
i'm not getting into vast majority talk. Innocent people are being attacked in the name
samsingh
Jan 2015
#129
You got into it when you objected to someone pointing out the vast majority are sane and rational...
Violet_Crumble
Jan 2015
#132
Too bad there's a significant fraction of people dedicating themselves to not making
NewDeal_Dem
Jan 2015
#123
You seem to find it easy to ignore the million or so muslims killed by your own government.
NewDeal_Dem
Jan 2015
#137
What you don't get is everyone doing the killing thinks they are good people.
AngryAmish
Jan 2015
#77
Actually, Muslims in France face restrictions Muslims in the U.S. do not face. n/t.
Ken Burch
Jan 2015
#86
Of course not. But understanding WHY people make homicidal choices like that
Ken Burch
Jan 2015
#161
Is there a statute of limitations where last week or last month or last year doesn't count?
Violet_Crumble
Jan 2015
#131
you didn't hear of the 'kill the gays' laws in africa? (and their US sponsors?)
NewDeal_Dem
Jan 2015
#138
There are plenty of home-grown African christians and muslims who support them as well
MNBrewer
Jan 2015
#231
The US government and its allies kills more. Do you suggest the same for them?
NewDeal_Dem
Jan 2015
#113
you are confusing criticizing islam ( a religion) with cultural practices of those who espouse it.
msongs
Jan 2015
#8
should the US offer Jews in France Asylum because of what happened today ? you suggested
JI7
Jan 2015
#28
I condemn the attack on the grocery. The focus should be on catching the tiny group of extremists
Ken Burch
Jan 2015
#35
I never claimed to be standing alone-or to be brave. This thread isn't about ME at all.
Ken Burch
Jan 2015
#72
the only one saying something unpopular here is the person you're talking to. the rest
NewDeal_Dem
Jan 2015
#139
You know perfectly well I don't think anything of the sort. Nor does anyone else.
Ken Burch
Jan 2015
#165
maybe you should be worrying about those being killed in Africa and France today by extremists
samsingh
Jan 2015
#119
most of those being killed in africa are being killed by forces allied with western powers.
NewDeal_Dem
Jan 2015
#143
Of course they know it. It simply suits their framing to paint you as the villain of the
NewDeal_Dem
Jan 2015
#140
No, but some people are coming perilously close to blaming the victims, which is nearly as bad. N.T.
Donald Ian Rankin
Jan 2015
#141
afuckingmen. There's nothing more dangerous than a monster who thinks he's right with his god.
PeaceNikki
Jan 2015
#29
they're disgusting, that's why i spent 8 years doing what i could to get them out of office
samsingh
Jan 2015
#120
That is also the point of the opportunistic anti-Muslim rhetoric we're seeing
Ken Burch
Jan 2015
#45
interesting - i see the attack on the grocery and the magazine. i see innocent people getting killed
samsingh
Jan 2015
#121
i never said i blame all muslims. those are your words and what you're bringing the
samsingh
Jan 2015
#189
The problem is that the distinction isn't being made in most of the rhetoric.
Ken Burch
Jan 2015
#40
No, a muslim is an adherent of islam. a muslim is a person, islam is his/her religion.
NewDeal_Dem
Jan 2015
#149
the killers were born in france, they didn't just 'live' there. i presume they were
NewDeal_Dem
Jan 2015
#151
i don't see the difference. they ate food and took shelter in France and then killed its citizens
samsingh
Jan 2015
#192
they were *born* there, they didn't "take shelter" there. they're as french as anyone
NewDeal_Dem
Jan 2015
#197
Which you can say of anyone who lives anywhere and kills anyone else in the same place.
Ken Burch
Jan 2015
#177
Worked a hell of a lot of other times, and not doing it is usually catastrophic.
Donald Ian Rankin
Jan 2015
#142
Are you referrring to non-extremist people in general, or non-extremist Muslims?
Ken Burch
Jan 2015
#88
As a strong supporter of women, LGBT and a secular society, Republicans are my adversaries.
PeaceNikki
Jan 2015
#100
i'm really worried about tidal waves. we should plant trees along the shoreline. don't people get it
samsingh
Jan 2015
#194
Criticizing the religion itself, pointing out its barbaric tenets, and explaining the penalties for
PeaceNikki
Jan 2015
#55
To say someone is Muslim is to say that they adhere to a certain set of beliefs as laid out by their
PeaceNikki
Jan 2015
#60
I'm curious. Do you think there's such a thing as bigotry against people who are Muslim? n/t
Violet_Crumble
Jan 2015
#122
Those sorts are out in force in the comments sections of Murdoch rags...
Violet_Crumble
Jan 2015
#182
I've seen them do it here. According to them there's no such thing as Islamophobia...
Violet_Crumble
Jan 2015
#218
There usually aren't calls for the deportation of the overweight or the left-handed.
Ken Burch
Jan 2015
#175
Good question. Those who suffer from it would be ill-equipped to recognize it.
NewDeal_Dem
Jan 2015
#155
So we all agree where the line between mainstream religion and fundamentalist religion lies?
brooklynite
Jan 2015
#56
I'm fully aware that the Israeli government enabled Hamas-they were fixated on discrediting the PLO
Ken Burch
Jan 2015
#53
I'm an anarchist, I don't do rules very well but since this is the game, I'll play --
Nuclear Unicorn
Jan 2015
#54
People were saying we should respect the Islamic belief that the prophet should not be depicted.
Lobo27
Jan 2015
#66
Then oppose bigotry...but it's not "opposing bigotry" to demonize an entire religion
Ken Burch
Jan 2015
#91
And who here does those things, Ken Burch? You imply the posters you address say that and that's
Bluenorthwest
Jan 2015
#97
I'm part of that 'secular rebellion' against bigotry on a global basis, it's not 'the West' alone th
Bluenorthwest
Jan 2015
#187
If you go and read this thread and a few others it's right there. You can't miss it...
Violet_Crumble
Jan 2015
#147
You have no right to fantasize about what you think I meant when I spoke clearly. None.
Bluenorthwest
Jan 2015
#186
Yes: all societies have had barbaric practices in the past. But is that a reason not to criticize
pnwmom
Jan 2015
#206
Yes, Islam didn't invent the practice of honor killings any more than it invented
pnwmom
Jan 2015
#215
The correct comparison is between different cultures at the same point in time.
pnwmom
Jan 2015
#221
is someone suggesting that those who committed those murders are worthy of respect, understanding,
Douglas Carpenter
Jan 2015
#230