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karynnj

(59,500 posts)
38. Note quite that strong
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 04:26 PM
Jan 2015

In 2004 and 2008, you could not attack, smear or argue against the nominee -- though it often took some pretty negative posts to actually get the poster tombstoned.

However, there were many who continued posting - not really jumping on to the bandwagons - but not breaking that rule. They continued to post on other races, issues and events.

As you know that DU leans left, you know that many are not AT THIS POINT behind Hillary Clinton. She is very much a prohibitive frontrunner. I wonder if it might be better strategy not to threaten other Democrats with the prospect that they will be kicked out when she wins the nomination.

In 2008, the same thing happened and it took a significant event - Bush vetoing the extension of SCHIP - that made me recognize that Kerry was not just being political in 2007 when asked about the 2008 race at a point before he endorsed anyone. His answer was to say on all the issues that were important to him - and he listed many obvious issues, EVERY Democratic candidate - even if not completely where he was - was MUCH better than Every Republican candidate. It took that veto to make me see that NO Democrat would have vetoed that bill and most Republicans would.

For 2016, I likely will be in the same place I would have been had a Democrat I did not want won the nomination. The motivation in that case might just come from comparing what the country would be like under that nominee or the Republican nominee. However, at that point, I will make an effort to identify what I do like in the nominee. This used to go without saying -- ie in 1992, when Clinton was nowhere near my favorite, I did not whine that I was just anybody but Bush -- as Clintonites Begala and Carvelle did in 2004. I looked and found reasons I could use to convince others to vote for Clinton.

However, if this place becomes nasty and seems to gleefully want to exile many long time posters, it might become a less broadbased place. I don't think that will make it better.

Well, Booker is kind of a 3rd way neolib, so probably him. Erose999 Jan 2015 #1
Along those lines, Im bettin Hillary pix her "brotha from anotha motha" Jebbie Bush as her VP after he loses the Rethug nomination. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2015 #41
Julian Castro Skink Jan 2015 #2
Yep, agreed 100%. eom MohRokTah Jan 2015 #11
I think it'll be Castro too...nt SidDithers Jan 2015 #18
That's who I want! MoonRiver Jan 2015 #21
The Texas Democratic Party has printed some Clinton/Castro 2016 bumper stickers Gothmog Jan 2015 #34
Not a chance. former9thward Jan 2015 #48
No doubt about that for me elfin Jan 2015 #73
yup, almost a no brainer n/m Rosco T. Jan 2015 #77
Easy call. joshcryer Jan 2015 #88
Other: M$M n/t cherokeeprogressive Jan 2015 #3
Hillary has to win the nomination first. cloudbase Jan 2015 #4
running mate winetourdriver Jan 2015 #5
Benny Netanyahu blackcrow Jan 2015 #6
"Bibi!" Of course! n/t Peregrine Took Jan 2015 #80
She's not going to be in the process that long. LeftyMom Jan 2015 #7
Come on, man! Stephen Retired Jan 2015 #90
How many did Joe lose? LeftyMom Jan 2015 #91
Gen. Wesley Clark thelordofhell Jan 2015 #8
Oh, if ONLY, lord! elleng Jan 2015 #62
Whoever Goldman Sachs approves. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #9
+1 Octafish Jan 2015 #22
Jamie Dimon AtomicKitten Jan 2015 #83
+2 L0oniX Jan 2015 #95
Why does it really matter? No matter whom she picks many democrats won't vote for her. ChosenUnWisely Jan 2015 #10
We'll miss you when election season hits. eom MohRokTah Jan 2015 #12
No you won't. ChosenUnWisely Jan 2015 #15
Sure we will. You'll no longer be able to post once Election Season hits. MohRokTah Jan 2015 #16
Actually I don't have to do diddly squat ChosenUnWisely Jan 2015 #17
Ah, but I've saved a link to your post above. MohRokTah Jan 2015 #19
Damn you really need a life, enjoy saving the link! ChosenUnWisely Jan 2015 #20
Yeah, that was pretty weird. The_Commonist Jan 2015 #35
Don't worry, so he saves the post, if he alerts on it when a nominee is chosen it won't go to a jury Autumn Jan 2015 #56
DU STASI? ChosenUnWisely Jan 2015 #82
Are you the scold police? earthside Jan 2015 #76
Note quite that strong karynnj Jan 2015 #38
Have you ever been here during a general election? cyberswede Jan 2015 #86
That sounds an awful lot like a threat. Fearless Jan 2015 #46
A threat????? MohRokTah Jan 2015 #47
However what you said comes across as hostile. Fearless Jan 2015 #49
Just remarking on the poster's remark in the context of DU rules. MohRokTah Jan 2015 #50
Being passive aggressive and dismissive of another point of view does not help. Fearless Jan 2015 #51
I was being honest in the context of this fourm. eom MohRokTah Jan 2015 #53
To what end? Fearless Jan 2015 #54
Uh huh..... daleanime Jan 2015 #55
Honest? Autumn Jan 2015 #60
there is no rule saying you must post positive posts about the nominee backwoodsbob Jan 2015 #57
This must be your first time on the internet. nt TeamPooka Jan 2015 #89
You are not the only one. Neither will I. But, expect a lot of Loyaly Oath demands. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #24
Bullies always do ChosenUnWisely Jan 2015 #25
Bullies that demand "Free Speech"....for themselves but not for others. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #27
This is a free private forum and the owners of this place can do what they want, free speech ChosenUnWisely Jan 2015 #29
About anything? Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #31
Well I do too but the owners of the site don't share the same POV ChosenUnWisely Jan 2015 #33
I've been here since 2001 and have yet to have DU tell me how to vote. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #36
Me neither. Tired of all the Corporatist BS. benz380 Jan 2015 #32
That would be an unwise choice Renew Deal Jan 2015 #81
Many Democrats never vote for the nominee wyldwolf Jan 2015 #96
Not sure yet tabbycat31 Jan 2015 #13
Not someone from the northeast... brooklynite Jan 2015 #14
Democrats in the NorthEast blackcrow Jan 2015 #85
I don't know. I won't guess. MineralMan Jan 2015 #23
Brown of OH. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #26
Who says she's running? Man from Pickens Jan 2015 #28
Rupert Murdoch benz380 Jan 2015 #30
Hillary and Brady in the same post. Unrec. bigwillq Jan 2015 #37
She won't need one if she isn't nominated. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2015 #39
The Big Dog deaniac21 Jan 2015 #40
... madinmaryland Jan 2015 #63
I'm not convinced she will win the nomination. Motown_Johnny Jan 2015 #42
Other: Randy of the Redwoods. nt DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2015 #43
Goldman Sachs CentralMass Jan 2015 #44
It doesn't matter. It's irrelevent. She will lose. But for kicks let's say ... Lieberman. Fearless Jan 2015 #45
General Wesley Clark SummerSnow Jan 2015 #52
He will be Secretary of State. femmocrat Jan 2015 #64
You too, Snow! elleng Jan 2015 #66
There are some good choices... Mike Nelson Jan 2015 #58
Michelle Obama would be a great candidate. CK_John Jan 2015 #59
Jamie Dimon? backwoodsbob Jan 2015 #61
JESUS Warren DeMontague Jan 2015 #65
Whomever her owners (Goldman) tells her to pick. hifiguy Jan 2015 #67
Ming the Merciless HappyMe Jan 2015 #68
Haha Basic LA Jan 2015 #69
I'm hoping for Rep. Conyers shenmue Jan 2015 #70
Castro crazylikafox Jan 2015 #71
O'Malley, Castro brothers,Brown, Warren, Cuomo, too many. Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #72
Given Ferguson and Garner, I think O'Malley is out of the running for anything. Vattel Jan 2015 #74
SATAN! nt Logical Jan 2015 #75
Wait, she's already been nominated? SheilaT Jan 2015 #78
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Jan 2015 #79
Ooooh! Oooh! ME! Pick ME! genwah Jan 2015 #84
Raul Castro. Katashi_itto Jan 2015 #87
Kissinger Erose999 Jan 2015 #92
Lloyd Blankfein L0oniX Jan 2015 #93
Bank Of America. n/t benz380 Jan 2015 #94
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