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jberryhill

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29. "attempting to incite genocide"

Fri Jan 16, 2015, 04:48 PM

Jan 2015

And very few people understand the specific context of this cartoon.

What does this image suggest?

"The Koran is shit. It doesn't stop bullets."

Okay with a Torah and a Jew? Or not okay? And if you think there is a difference to be had there, what is it?

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Satirist Charged With Violating French Speech Restrictions [View all] jberryhill Jan 2015 OP

Not really a satirist, just a virulent anti-semite. HERVEPA Jan 2015 #1

Well, he thinks he's funny jberryhill Jan 2015 #3

And Hitler thought he was a moral human being. nt geek tragedy Jan 2015 #10

Hitler did more than merely speak jberryhill Jan 2015 #11

So Goebbels was harmless then? nt geek tragedy Jan 2015 #20

Goebbels did more than merely speak jberryhill Jan 2015 #28

its always free speech till we disagree with the speech La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2015 #4

Are you disputing that he peddles hate speech? geek tragedy Jan 2015 #7

i am saying that just 24 hours ago people were advocating complete free speech. period. nothing else La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2015 #8

He's advocated killing every Jew on the planet geek tragedy Jan 2015 #9

The previous Charlie Hebdo editor had the same problem jberryhill Jan 2015 #12

Mocking a figure from history and attempting geek tragedy Jan 2015 #21

"attempting to incite genocide" jberryhill Jan 2015 #29

The point is that holy books don't stop bullets. geek tragedy Jan 2015 #34

And the Hebdo cartoon was celebrating a massacre of Muslims jberryhill Jan 2015 #36

What massacre of Muslims? geek tragedy Jan 2015 #41

You obviously don't know the context of that cartoon jberryhill Jan 2015 #43

Celebration? No, just a point that geek tragedy Jan 2015 #45

Still dodging the point jberryhill Jan 2015 #54

lol. hoist on your own petard ND-Dem Jan 2015 #89

OMFG Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #108

No, it wasn't FunkyLeprechaun Jan 2015 #59

Corrected no longer relevant Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #48

What do you mean "fake" jberryhill Jan 2015 #52

Corrected no longer relevant Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #58

The first is the July 2013 CH cover jberryhill Jan 2015 #64

I stand corrected. It is a real cover commenting on Muslims getting shot by other Muslims in Egypt Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #65

Whew... jberryhill Jan 2015 #66

i'd really like a cite for that 'advocated killing every jew on the planet' thing, especially ND-Dem Jan 2015 #88

You're defending this pig? nt geek tragedy Jan 2015 #90

you made a claim. i asked for a link to support your claim. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #92

Look up his arrests. 840high Jan 2015 #102

just give me a link to where he advocates killing every jew on the planet please. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #103

I followed your link. You somehow didn't post the controversial stuff. I wonder why Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #105

yes, so it seems. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #14

He is a raging anti-Semite for sure jberryhill Jan 2015 #16

The hypocrisy on DU is strong LittleBlue Jan 2015 #27

the only person who's been arrested or imprisoned is the islamic comic, & it seems you ND-Dem Jan 2015 #82

Wrong LittleBlue Jan 2015 #84

neither do you, since that's the best you can do. the article you quote supports my point: ND-Dem Jan 2015 #87

You said: "the only person who's been arrested or imprisoned is the islamic comic" LittleBlue Jan 2015 #91

yes, and those being prosecuted are arabs and muslims. which was my actual point. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #93

i'm not sure how or why you drew that conclusion from anything that was said. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #81

In his previous stuff, not this particular statement at hand jberryhill Jan 2015 #83

Well, not really Warpy Jan 2015 #31

and saying je suis Coulibaly on facebook rises to this level? La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2015 #73

Just to clarify "Je suis Coulibaly" the problem is "Support for a Terrorist Act" which is illegal nt Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #106

But satire we're told is protected. So if we call it satire it's legal n'est-ce pas? ucrdem Jan 2015 #110

Who told you satire was protected? Yes by all means, lets see how low we can go Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #112

Je suis Charlie is supposedly a slogan proclaiming it. ucrdem Jan 2015 #114

Cartoons followed by Terrorist Attack. Je suis Coulibaly followed by a court date in FR justice Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #117

Either satire is protected or it isn't. If it is, the charges should be dismissed. nt ucrdem Jan 2015 #118

You've confused "SATIRE" with "Condoning a TERRORIST ATTACK" That is the question at hand Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #121

Apparently there is enough confusion to warrant an arrest, yes. nt ucrdem Jan 2015 #124

Again, Excellent dodge for providing equivalence between a terrorist attack and a court date Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #123

D'accord, fine, I think the point has been made. nt ucrdem Jan 2015 #126

Far from your point being made, I've given up on trying to understand you actually. Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #127

Stop making sense. nt kelliekat44 Jan 2015 #122

Having looked as some of the Charlie Hebdo cartoons that have given offense to Muslims . . . markpkessinger Jan 2015 #71

Yes. 840high Jan 2015 #101

So much for liberté d'expression. nt ucrdem Jan 2015 #2

There's a reason for the hate speech laws in Europe HERVEPA Jan 2015 #5

Do the French have some kind of brain defect? jberryhill Jan 2015 #15

Americans are not imnmune to hate speech. HERVEPA Jan 2015 #17

There is a history of slavery here, and of lynchings, and of civil war jberryhill Jan 2015 #18

Do Jews in New York have the same safety concerns geek tragedy Jan 2015 #22

How many African Americans were killed by police in NY in the last year? jberryhill Jan 2015 #23

France and the US are different places. geek tragedy Jan 2015 #26

You brought up New York jberryhill Jan 2015 #30

New York is part of the US. Paris is part of France. geek tragedy Jan 2015 #33

But you are leaving out one part jberryhill Jan 2015 #35

Stereotyping is different than incitement. geek tragedy Jan 2015 #38

Swarthy Hook-Nosed Guys With Beards And Turbans Are Terrorists jberryhill Jan 2015 #42

Perhaps you should address the actual statement, counselor. geek tragedy Jan 2015 #46

To wit: “Tonight, as far as I’m concerned, I feel like Charlie Coulibaly.” jberryhill Jan 2015 #50

What is your source for these comics, please? Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #49

Google Image Search With Appropriate Keywords jberryhill Jan 2015 #51

Corrected no longer relevant Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #53

what do you mean by that? jberryhill Jan 2015 #55

Corrected no longer relevant Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #57

Let me try this one more time.... jberryhill Jan 2015 #61

You are doing yeoman' work. I salute you. The double standard is glaring on what speech is Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #77

I actually am of two minds on this whole "hate speech" shebang jberryhill Jan 2015 #79

+100. seems to me the whole 'free speech = the right to insult others' is all about keeping ND-Dem Jan 2015 #96

You're confused. the poster never claimed the parody version was the original version. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #95

.. La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2015 #74

Surprisingly, the French were not on the German side of WWII anyway! jberryhill Jan 2015 #75

i think the french are being insanely hypocritalical in this arrest La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2015 #76

I'm ambivalent about these kinds of restrictions jberryhill Jan 2015 #78

Referring to the First Amendment, how about saying, "Death to the Klan"? countryjake Jan 2015 #80

according to one poster from france, americans simply can't understand the uniquely droll ND-Dem Jan 2015 #94

He's as much a satirist as Fred Phelps was. geek tragedy Jan 2015 #6

And he should go to jail for saying "I hate those people"? jberryhill Jan 2015 #13

Europe takes a zero tolerance approach to geek tragedy Jan 2015 #19

"attempt to exterminate" <> "speech" jberryhill Jan 2015 #24

He was openly identifying with someone who geek tragedy Jan 2015 #32

"Your priority is protecting the right of Nazis and their ilk to incite violence" jberryhill Jan 2015 #40

The ACLU is an American organization that has no standing geek tragedy Jan 2015 #44

The ACLU defended the right of Nazis to march in Skokie jberryhill Jan 2015 #47

Vichy French rounded up the Jews. geek tragedy Jan 2015 #85

The future is not yet history... jberryhill Jan 2015 #138

"special pleading". there's a lot of it going round. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #99

"It flows in one direction--from the numerous against the few." right. because the folks ND-Dem Jan 2015 #98

Corrected no longer relevant Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #39

The one which doesn't say "Charlie Hebdo" is not a Hebdo cover jberryhill Jan 2015 #56

Corrected no long relevent (OP posted source I stand corrected) Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #60

It is the July 2013 cover jberryhill Jan 2015 #62

Did you notice the caption "Tuererie en Egypt" (Killings in Egypt) SATIRE ALERT Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #67

Yes, and? jberryhill Jan 2015 #68

Gee I don't think they expected to be shot up all to hell last week Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #72

he was a communist -- so what? you're still wrong about that cover being a 'forgery'. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #100

I admitted that at least 4x all over this thread. Compared to Charb, you're a Wing-Nut Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #104

Even former staffers have called Charlie disingenuous. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #129

where is the 'attempt to exterminate jews'? ND-Dem Jan 2015 #97

If the Charlie Hebdo writers died for free speech, then this shits all over their sacrifice LittleBlue Jan 2015 #25

NYT calling Dieudonné a "provocative humorist" is like calling Goebbels a "marketing executive" Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #37

He's probably hilarious to people who hate Jews jberryhill Jan 2015 #63

"Freedom of speech means nothing if it does NOT mean the freedom to offend" Stephen Retired Jan 2015 #69

And the key to obtaining a majority in democratic politics is offending as many people as possible! jberryhill Jan 2015 #70

How incredibly hypocritical of the French. The Charlie Hebdo people ought to stand with him. tritsofme Jan 2015 #86

To clarify "Je suis Coulibaly" is printed "Support for a Terrorist Act" which is illegal in FR Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #107

By that logic the CH cover you thought was a forgery is support for a genocidal act. ucrdem Jan 2015 #109

"despite...that it ... illustrates the assassination of a Muslim rep of all Muslims by MUSLIMS Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #111

If context exonerates one is should exonerate both. There is clearly a double standard. nt ucrdem Jan 2015 #113

Why don't you flesh out your argument so that a reasonable person can understand it Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #115

I think most of us understand it pretty well, and the cartoons are unspeakably vile. ucrdem Jan 2015 #116

Excellent attempt at dodging the question. My question is "how does context exonerate both" Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #119

Here's how: ucrdem Jan 2015 #120

FAIL Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #125

Flesh out your argument please ND-Dem Jan 2015 #131

Should a Facebook post qualify as "support for a terrorist act"? I don't think so. tritsofme Jan 2015 #128

He hasn't been convicted yet. The FR justice system may agree with you after the court date Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #133

You didn't know it either, because Coulibaly was the black guy who shot up the supermarket. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #130

I guess that invalidates all my points then Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #132

well, we know they're not based on careful examination of the facts, since you can't even ND-Dem Jan 2015 #134

yawn Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #135

you get very basic facts wrong; no wonder you think 'yawn' is some kind of convincing argument. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #136

All religions are equal, but some religions are more equal than others whatchamacallit Jan 2015 #137